PRIME broadcast: now that’s a winner!

Last week. All the TVs at work are Roku and it's a pain in the ass.

I have to log in to Prime Video, MASN and Ultra every single time I use those apps on those TVs.

EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.

And it is 100% accurate that Roku does NOT support multitasking like Apple TV does.

I have five newer TVs with built-in Roku, and six older TVs with various versions of Roku sticks. I haven't needed to log into an app in years on any individual service or any TV.

You don't need to watch commercials to use the remote lol. There are zero commercials within the Roku interface...ever.

They have MAX and Peacock and everything else.

Nothing about the interface is clunky. I don't care about "multitasking" when I can switch between apps in seconds. Even my older sticks still operate quickly enough.
 
I have five newer TVs with built-in Roku, and six older TVs with various versions of Roku sticks. I haven't needed to log into an app in years on any individual service or any TV.

I had to on several apps fairly regularly, and still do on some. I know it depends on the app, but signing in is also objectively much, much, much, much, much easier to use Roku.

You don't need to watch commercials to use the remote lol. There are zero commercials within the Roku interface...ever.

I'm referring to the Roku remote app. Every time I've used it, I had to watch a 15-30 second ad. And that includes a recent experience too.

They have MAX and Peacock and everything else.

They were the last to get Max and Peacock. I had already switched to Apple TV.

Roku had tons of carriage disputes from 2020-2021 and its why I switched. Those carriage disputes will pop up again soon when existing agreements end and Roku wants more money and more user data.

Nothing about the interface is clunky. I don't care about "multitasking" when I can switch between apps in seconds. Even my older sticks still operate quickly enough.

It's still faster and easier to switch channels than switch apps even if you like the Roku experience. Anyone who thinks going from one app to another is easier than pushing the "PREV" or "BACK" button on a remote is lying to themselves.
 
You guys make this so complicated. Just get a Superbox. Of course still have to pay for prime but other than that you get pretty much everything else without multiple apps and multiple accounts/subscriptions. Other than Prime- which I would have anyway for deliveries- I have no subscription fees.
 
It's still faster and easier to switch channels than switch apps even if you like the Roku experience. Anyone who thinks going from one app to another is easier than pushing the "PREV" or "BACK" button on a remote is lying to themselves.

If I'm watching YoutubeTV, I hold the "OK" button for a half second and it goes back to the last channel. Easy peasy. How many people are constantly switching back and forth between apps? I mean, if you only have one TV, maybe? There are so many variables, so it depends on each user. But YTTV performs like cable, you can watch it literally anywhere, and my main argument for Roku was regarding how easy it is for anyone to use.
 
Today I tried to watch the race on Prime using a Firestick on my TV and it would only let me join live during the broadcast. I could not and did not have an option to “play from the beginning” until after the race and post race was over. However using the Prime App on my phone I could play from the beginning. Has anyone else had this issue and does anyone know what is causing this to happen? I want to watch the race on the TV. I did try Google and Prime Video help, but couldn’t get a resolution.
 
I have to say Prime missed the boat on some things yesterday. One, they didn't keep viewers updated on progress of repairs to Kyle Busch's and Kyle Larson's cars. Two, they needed a graphic on the ticker to distinguish between cars on slicks and those on rain tires.
 
Apple TV remote alone is worth it. It's so much faster.

Switching apps on Apple TV, you don't have to exit out of an app. You can double click, scroll home, open the other app. If you want to switch between two open apps, you just double click, and move between them.

It integrates so smoothly with iPhone too, whereas the Roku app was clunky and you had to watch commercials just to use the remote.

Roku has even floated a plan for Roku TVs where, if you're watching a DVD/Blu Ray, the Roku TV can interrupt your DVD to insert commercials. And understand this, if I watch a DVD and a commercial pops up, I'm throwing that TV through the window without first opening the window.

I left Roku when they refused to add HBO Max and Peacock.
I will not watch at all before giving Apple a dime of my money...
 
Maybe it's just me but if the networks are going to pay three people to do pre- and post-race and sit around during the race, put them in firesuits and use them as additional pit road reports. I'd greatly appreciate more content directly from the pit boxes than opinions during the stage breaks. Or put one full time with the spotters and another in race control.
 
Although a subscription to The New York Times is probably necessary to enable the link, it's an interesting article regarding the streaming of sporting events.

"How American Sports Leagues Sold Out and Shattered Sports Culture"

A brief excerpt:

"For decades, our national sports leagues — the National Football League, the National Basketball Association, Major League Baseball, the National Hockey League — operated more like civic institutions. These organizations may have always chased the mighty dollar, but they also wanted their sports to last. And as such, they cared about strengthening such powerful intangibles as local pride, generational fandom and public ritual. Tradition was good business. Community built loyalty. Loyalty built value.

Then came the streaming wars. Starting in the early 2010s, live sports events were one of the last types of programming that guaranteed hundreds of thousands if not millions of real-time viewers, and the leagues began to be flooded with requests from streamers, such as Amazon Prime, Peacock and Max, begging for a piece of the pie. At the same time, the leagues were looking for a way to raise the cash required to invest in the lucrative opportunities offered by overseas expansion. And that’s when the business of sustaining sports in America took a back seat, and our country’s sports leagues stopped acting like caretakers and started thinking like asset managers.

The result is that dozens if not hundreds of games that make up America’s national pastimes are being sliced and diced and sold off to the highest bidder — be that a cable giant, or a streaming upstart, or a regional sports network or a subscription app. Games jump from one service to another with so little notice or apparent logic that even some of the biggest superfans struggle to track what’s available where.

Going to a game is similarly growing out of reach: From 1999 to 2020, the average price of a seat across all sports rose roughly twice as fast as overall consumer prices. It increased 19.5 percent between May 2023 and May 2025 alone, one of the biggest jumps of any category tracked by the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

The result isn’t just inconvenient. It’s lonely. As access shatters, rituals vanish, as do the moments that make sports communal — a bar full of strangers cheering for the same team, the generational ties passed down through the seasons. Those experiences fade under a system that dictates that the more you can pay, the more you can see — until the game disappears behind another paywall."
 
Then came the streaming wars. Starting in the early 2010s, live sports events were one of the last types of programming that guaranteed hundreds of thousands if not millions of real-time viewers, and the leagues began to be flooded with requests from streamers, such as Amazon Prime, Peacock and Max, begging for a piece of the pie.
Didn't this start with cable networks prying sports away from the (then) three broadcast networks? The writer has a point but the sports leagues were taking advantage of national and regional sports networks and college conference networks were divvying up audiences long before streaming.
 
For decades, our national sports leagues — the National Football League, the National Basketball Association, Major League Baseball, the National Hockey League — operated more like civic institutions. ... Then came the streaming wars.
And now instead of viewing options being dominated by those four sports, I can watch darn near anything I want. High school volleyball semi-finals, Pakistani minor league cricket, Spanish jai-alai, even a bunch of lower tier motor racing series. Any event manager with a camera and an Internet connection can push content to the world; they don't even need to be affiliated with the big streaming services.
 
Although a subscription to The New York Times is probably necessary to enable the link, it's an interesting article regarding the streaming of sporting events.

"How American Sports Leagues Sold Out and Shattered Sports Culture"

A brief excerpt:

"For decades, our national sports leagues — the National Football League, the National Basketball Association, Major League Baseball, the National Hockey League — operated more like civic institutions. These organizations may have always chased the mighty dollar, but they also wanted their sports to last. And as such, they cared about strengthening such powerful intangibles as local pride, generational fandom and public ritual. Tradition was good business. Community built loyalty. Loyalty built value.

Then came the streaming wars. Starting in the early 2010s, live sports events were one of the last types of programming that guaranteed hundreds of thousands if not millions of real-time viewers, and the leagues began to be flooded with requests from streamers, such as Amazon Prime, Peacock and Max, begging for a piece of the pie. At the same time, the leagues were looking for a way to raise the cash required to invest in the lucrative opportunities offered by overseas expansion. And that’s when the business of sustaining sports in America took a back seat, and our country’s sports leagues stopped acting like caretakers and started thinking like asset managers.

The result is that dozens if not hundreds of games that make up America’s national pastimes are being sliced and diced and sold off to the highest bidder — be that a cable giant, or a streaming upstart, or a regional sports network or a subscription app. Games jump from one service to another with so little notice or apparent logic that even some of the biggest superfans struggle to track what’s available where.

Going to a game is similarly growing out of reach: From 1999 to 2020, the average price of a seat across all sports rose roughly twice as fast as overall consumer prices. It increased 19.5 percent between May 2023 and May 2025 alone, one of the biggest jumps of any category tracked by the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

The result isn’t just inconvenient. It’s lonely. As access shatters, rituals vanish, as do the moments that make sports communal — a bar full of strangers cheering for the same team, the generational ties passed down through the seasons. Those experiences fade under a system that dictates that the more you can pay, the more you can see — until the game disappears behind another paywall."

The NFL is seriously talking about terminating their contract with CBS and/or FOX four years early and moving the Sunday afternoon games to Netflix.

Personally, I do not think the death of appointment television and other trends we've seen are good long-term. The days of everyone standing around a water cooler talking about last night's episode of a TV show are over. There's very little culture that brings people together anymore.
 
Personally, I do not think the death of appointment television and other trends we've seen are good long-term. The days of everyone standing around a water cooler talking about last night's episode of a TV show are over. There's very little culture that brings people together anymore.
Shared national cultural references are a fairly new phenomenon. I'm guessing they started with the rise of wire news services and everyone having access to the same national coverage. Radio and TV networks gave people more common touchstones, but national common culture has been dying since the rise of cable.

And let's remember why people were discussing the same shows - they didn't have much choice. You watched whatever the Big Three served up and that was it. Often one network would dominate a time slot or entire night, and the other two would effectively cede the period and run cannon fodder. If the technology and industry of the '50s had been capable of offering more options profitably, appointment TV might never have risen in the first place.
 
Shared national cultural references are a fairly new phenomenon. I'm guessing they started with the rise of wire news services and everyone having access to the same national coverage. Radio and TV networks gave people more common touchstones, but national common culture has been dying since the rise of cable.

And let's remember why people were discussing the same shows - they didn't have much choice. You watched whatever the Big Three served up and that was it. Often one network would dominate a time slot or entire night, and the other two would effectively cede the period and run cannon fodder. If the technology and industry of the '50s had been capable of offering more options profitably, appointment TV might never have risen in the first place.

The concept of shared cultural experiences go back to Ancient Greece and Rome.

What's actually happening is that, the only thing (outside the Super Bowl) that this country actually sits down and watches at the same time is politics and elections.
 
The concept of shared cultural experiences go back to Ancient Greece and Rome.
Yes, but those were long-standing, slow-to-change references. They weren't being shared across hundreds of miles instantaneously as they changed every couple of hours. People didn't stand around the fountain in Athens talking about last night's play in Sparta.

Oh, and the 2025 Super Bowl was watched by roughly 135 million of the country's population of 345 million. It was a record number of people but it was around 40% of the population, not even a majority. There are other options.
 
Oh, and the 2025 Super Bowl was watched by roughly 135 million of the country's population of 345 million. It was a record number of people but it was around 40% of the population, not even a majority. There are other options.
Keep in mind, these are estimates. It's assumed that, with this TV on, it's either being watched by an individual or a family.

How many of those "135 million viewers" were television sets at a sports bar with 50 people watching, or a neighborhood viewing party with 20 people watching? How many people were watching at The Linc? How many dozens and even hundreds of sports bars in Kansas City and whatever team the Chiefs are playing against this year are packed to capacity?
 
The one thing NASCAR does well is how they split off the contract, having consecutive races instead of scattering them all out.

No matter how much people cling to nostalgia, those races were scattered all over the place in the 1990s.

In 1999 alone, you had races on: ABC, CBS, ESPN, ESPN2, FOX Sports Net, Speedvision, TBS, and TNN.

Even in 2001, NASCAR coverage was scattered across FOX, FX, Fox Sports Net, Speedvision, NBC, TNT, CNN/SI, ESPN, and ESPN2.



As for the NFL ... it's entirely possible to have your favorite teams on all the following channels in the same year: ABC, CBS, Disney+, ESPN, ESPN2, ESPN+, FOX, NBC, Netflix, NFL Network, Nickelodeon, Paramount+, Peacock, Prime Video, and YouTube.
 
Keep in mind, these are estimates. It's assumed that, with this TV on, it's either being watched by an individual or a family.

How many of those "135 million viewers" were television sets at a sports bar with 50 people watching, or a neighborhood viewing party with 20 people watching? How many people were watching at The Linc? How many dozens and even hundreds of sports bars in Kansas City and whatever team the Chiefs are playing against this year are packed to capacity?
My point is that even the Super Bowl isn't the near-universal American experience it was in the '90s.
 
As for the NFL ... it's entirely possible to have your favorite teams on all the following channels in the same year: ABC, CBS, Disney+, ESPN, ESPN2, ESPN+, FOX, NBC, Netflix, NFL Network, Nickelodeon, Paramount+, Peacock, Prime Video, and YouTube.
The NFL isn't giving up that option with the Sunday Ticket until they no longer make enough money from it.

The thing I hate about this being Prime's race is no more 4K/1080p broadcasts. Max may have it that way. But I'm not paying extra to have a better picture.
 
The NFL isn't giving up that option with the Sunday Ticket until they no longer make enough money from it.

The thing I hate about this being Prime's race is no more 4K/1080p broadcasts. Max may have it that way. But I'm not paying extra to have a better picture.
Either my TV isn't capable of displaying that or I'm not capable of recognizing the difference. That may be why I've never commented on image quality. Camera selection and zoom range frustrate me a whole lot more. The sharpest image available is useless if the network insists on shots of a single isolated car or looking out the rear window.
 
The NFL isn't giving up that option with the Sunday Ticket until they no longer make enough money from it.

I think the NFL on Netflix would be the same as it is now, local games only. It’s the same way with Peacock and even some other sports on streaming where the sports package only has regional or local games.
 
The NFL isn't giving up that option with the Sunday Ticket until they no longer make enough money from it.

The thing I hate about this being Prime's race is no more 4K/1080p broadcasts. Max may have it that way. But I'm not paying extra to have a better picture.

There is no 4K. lol

Fox 4K is just upscaled HD, not true 4K. And if you don’t have a 4K TV, or a 4K plan through your provider, the races are 720.

Even on my TV (I don’t have 4k), FOX and FS1 are vastly inferior to every other sports broadcast.

Amazon is 1080 with true Dolby sound.
 
My boring take is that all three sanctioning bodies and their respective broadcasting partners should be, and likely are, pretty reasonably satisfied with those figures.
It's not a zero-sum game. At least it isn't now that IndyCar and Fox pulled their heads out and quit trying to go head to head with NASCAR. Plenty of viewers for all three series as long as the schedulers avoid conflicts.
 
I'll stick to the lower ratings is a fact story and that is because of the fragmented media choices. I could go as far as using Indycar's pretty fantastic doubling from last year's climb because people know where to find the races. Easy peasy.
 
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