PRIME broadcast: now that’s a winner!

StandOnIt said:
I'll stick to the lower ratings is a fact story and that is because of the fragmented media choices. I could go as far as using Indycar's pretty fantastic doubling from last year's climb because people know where to find the races. Easy peasy.
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People knew where to find IndyCar races last year. Their growth is because IndyCar is FOX’s #1 Motorsports priority and they promote the hell out of it.

They’re even willing to piss off NHRA and NASCAR to do it.
 
HoneyBadger said:
People knew where to find IndyCar races last year. Their growth is because IndyCar is FOX’s #1 Motorsports priority and they promote the hell out of it.

They’re even willing to piss off NHRA and NASCAR to do it.
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That's your story dude. Go with it lol. I will stick with human nature.
 
HoneyBadger said:
People knew where to find IndyCar races last year. Their growth is because IndyCar is FOX’s #1 Motorsports priority and they promote the hell out of it.

They’re even willing to piss off NHRA and NASCAR to do it.
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Nonsense.

Advertising rates per minute rise and fall with ratings figures. Sanctioning bodies are paid by broadcasters as per contract … viewership numbers are irrelevant. It’s in the broadcaster’s financial interest to do everything they can to maximize the size of the audience, irrespective of the product’s identity.
 
Yeah the us against them thing has never flown in my world. If you have a company you want all to do well.
 
If one has their head in a stick n ball game mostly those type of fans, they may not have noticed that NHRA races are broadcast a lot..and at all hours of the day and night. When watching those races a Nascar or Indycar race re runs are possibly going to pop up also or vice versa. Stand alone stations like USA or CW or Prime aren't noted for their racing content. A person has to hunt to find any racing programming on those stations. But if you are watching Fox 1 or 2 you don't have much of a problem there.
 
HoneyBadger said:
There is no 4K. lol

Fox 4K is just upscaled HD, not true 4K. And if you don’t have a 4K TV, or a 4K plan through your provider, the races are 720.

Even on my TV (I don’t have 4k), FOX and FS1 are vastly inferior to every other sports broadcast.

Amazon is 1080 with true Dolby sound.
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I was under the impression Fox and others shoot with 4K cameras and downscale it to 1080p. We went to some of the NCAA Tournament games and sat next to some of the cameras. They were all 4K cameras. That doesn't mean that's how it's coming into the truck. I know when Prime has showed highlights of the Xfinity races or Cup races under Fox, they were not 720p. They were equal to what Prime shows the Cup races.

Either way, now that Cup races are going to TNT and NBC after this Sunday, the PQ will be inferior to what we've been getting.
 
MRM said:
I was under the impression Fox and others shoot with 4K cameras and downscale it to 1080p. We went to some of the NCAA Tournament games and sat next to some of the cameras. They were all 4K cameras. That doesn't mean that's how it's coming into the truck. I know when Prime has showed highlights of the Xfinity races or Cup races under Fox, they were not 720p. They were equal to what Prime shows the Cup races.

Either way, now that Cup races are going to TNT and NBC after this Sunday, the PQ will be inferior to what we've been getting.
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They’re shooting with SOME 4k, downscaling, and then upscaling.

Max supposedly streams TNT Sports in 4K and Dolby Atmos.
 
HoneyBadger said:
They’re shooting with SOME 4k, downscaling, and then upscaling.

Max supposedly streams TNT Sports in 4K and Dolby Atmos.
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I have a question that you probably know the answer to. I was reading that the Nashville race on Prime had 2.06 million viewers. Out of those viewers 495k were between the ages of 18-49

The F1 race that weekend averaged 1.2 million viewers but the 18-49 demo was 512k.

So about 25% of NASCAR’s audience was between 18-49 but F1 was a a little under 50%. Why is there such a big difference?
 
AlTerego said:
I have a question that you probably know the answer to. I was reading that the Nashville race on Prime had 2.06 million viewers. Out of those viewers 495k were between the ages of 18-49

The F1 race that weekend averaged 1.2 million viewers but the 18-49 demo was 512k.

So about 25% of NASCAR’s audience was between 18-49 but F1 was a a little under 50%. Why is there such a big difference?
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F1 is the hot new fad right now. They have TV shows, movies, diecasts in stores (I miss the days you could buy NASCAR diecasts before Lionel ruined everything). It’s cool. The races are three day long festivals. And Liberty is fully invested in making F1 America’s premier Motorsport.

Lewis Hamilton, Max Verstappen, Charles Leclerc, these are rockstars.

It’s what NASCAR used to be 20-30 years ago.



NASCAR has a MAJOR marketing problem that’s of their own creation.

Teams don’t want three day race weekends anymore, they just want to show up, race and go home.

NASCAR promotes their brand, the tracks and the manufacturers. And Hendrick Motorsports. Not the drivers.

These drivers aren’t that engaging. Chase Elliott is so boring and vanilla, I can hear Gordon Ramsay screaming “it’s bland” from my phone.

I keep saying this: people are gonna miss Denny Hamlin when he’s gone.


We don’t have rivalries. We don’t have engaging personalities. We don’t have any build up for races anymore. The Daytona 500 is literally just another race now.

Everyone involved is guilty of this too.
 
Also, F1 isn’t the only competitor NASCAR has.

The WNBA is peak sports entertainment right now. Especially when the Indiana Fever are playing.

And INDYCAR is skyrocketing because FOX is committed fully to it and Roger Penske and IMS Productions are promoting it well.

NASCAR needs a change in ownership or this will continue to get worse. The only person who is in management now that should be the HNIC is Ben Kennedy.
 
HoneyBadger said:
F1 is the hot new fad right now. They have TV shows, movies, diecasts in stores (I miss the days you could buy NASCAR diecasts before Lionel ruined everything). It’s cool. The races are three day long festivals. And Liberty is fully invested in making F1 America’s premier Motorsport.

Lewis Hamilton, Max Verstappen, Charles Leclerc, these are rockstars.

It’s what NASCAR used to be 20-30 years ago.



NASCAR has a MAJOR marketing problem that’s of their own creation.

Teams don’t want three day race weekends anymore, they just want to show up, race and go home.

NASCAR promotes their brand, the tracks and the manufacturers. And Hendrick Motorsports. Not the drivers.

These drivers aren’t that engaging. Chase Elliott is so boring and vanilla, I can hear Gordon Ramsay screaming “it’s bland” from my phone.

I keep saying this: people are gonna miss Denny Hamlin when he’s gone.


We don’t have rivalries. We don’t have engaging personalities. We don’t have any build up for races anymore. The Daytona 500 is literally just another race now.

Everyone involved is guilty of this too.
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Well I sure do appreciate you taking the time & giving me an explanation. I’ve heard people complain about it being boring or a parade but they are doing things that fans like.
 
AlTerego said:
Well I sure do appreciate you taking the time & giving me an explanation. I’ve heard people complain about it being boring or a parade but they are doing things that fans like.
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Young people like shows.

It’s why I’m an advocate of street racing. Those things are festivals and I think NASCAR needs two of them.
 
HoneyBadger said:
Teams don’t want three day race weekends anymore, they just want to show up, race and go home.
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In the teams' defense, they have 38 weekends as opposed to F1's 24, with races almost twice as long and fewer expensive amenities.

I'm addressing only this one point, not the rest of your post.
 
HoneyBadger said:
Also, F1 isn’t the only competitor NASCAR has.

The WNBA is peak sports entertainment right now. Especially when the Indiana Fever are playing.

And INDYCAR is skyrocketing because FOX is committed fully to it and Roger Penske and IMS Productions are promoting it well.

NASCAR needs a change in ownership or this will continue to get worse. The only person who is in management now that should be the HNIC is Ben Kennedy.
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I can’t remember an Indy Car season being promoted like it was this year on FOX. In my mind it was promoted far more heavily than the Daytona 500 but I have no proof.

I see a lot of younger boys wearing the jerseys of soccer stars. When I engage them it is something they watch & play. They are all 13 or under & there are soccer leagues all over the place as well as all the traveling teams. It’s much different than it was 10 years ago.
 
F-1 races in many countries where the F-1 race is the only race they have. It's a no brainer that kids are going to follow that. Nascar doesn't go all over the world like F-1 does and race in their country. It's a false equivalency. Works for the TV nerds, but without any legitimate reasons for it being so some people run with the figures.

The figures are a bit skewed. It's only 8%
In 2024, NASCAR's fanbase skewed older, with 34% of U.S. fans aged between 55 and 64 years old, according to Ampere’s consumer survey data. This is older than Formula One’s U.S. fanbase, where 26% fall in the same age range
 
Charlie Spencer said:
In the teams' defense, they have 38 weekends as opposed to F1's 24, with races almost twice as long and fewer expensive amenities.

I'm addressing only this one point, not the rest of your post.
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F1 is traveling across literal continents.

NASCAR teams complain about having to travel a few hundred miles.
 
AlTerego said:
I can’t remember an Indy Car season being promoted like it was this year on FOX. In my mind it was promoted far more heavily than the Daytona 500 but I have no proof.

I see a lot of younger boys wearing the jerseys of soccer stars. When I engage them it is something they watch & play. They are all 13 or under & there are soccer leagues all over the place as well as all the traveling teams. It’s much different than it was 10 years ago.
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Fox has literally said the reason NASCAR is important to them is because it’s filler content in February and March.

It doesn’t help that the Daytona 500 is a crapshoot that anyone can win by just being lucky after riding around half throttle all race in a big pack where nobody can pass.
 
HoneyBadger said:
Fox has literally said the reason NASCAR is important to them is because it’s filler content in February and March.

It doesn’t help that the Daytona 500 is a crapshoot that anyone can win by just being lucky.
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Troll on troller. Which racing series is the most popular series in the U.S.?
 
HoneyBadger said:
Fox has literally said the reason NASCAR is important to them is because it’s filler content in February and March.
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B.S. meter engaged lol.

FOX’s NASCAR Coverage (February–March Context): FOX Sports has been a major broadcaster of NASCAR since 2001, with significant coverage in February and March, including high-profile events like the Daytona 500 (February 16, 2025, for example) and the first 12–14 Cup Series races of the season. These months are critical for NASCAR, as they mark the season’s start, with the Daytona 500 being the sport’s flagship event, akin to the Super Bowl for football. Calling this period a “filler” would be inconsistent with FOX’s investment in NASCAR, valued at billions (e.g., $2.4 billion for 2001–2008, $4.48 billion for 2007–2014). FOX’s coverage is deliberate and high-profile, not a stopgap
 
HoneyBadger said:
It doesn’t help that the Daytona 500 is a crapshoot that anyone can win by just being lucky after riding around half throttle all race in a big pack where nobody can pass.
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Ya know, as much as I've argued against plate racing, no fan of it has ever told me that watching the race itself can be anticlimactic and that I should be watching qualifying because is where all the action happens.
 
HoneyBadger said:
Also, F1 isn’t the only competitor NASCAR has.

The WNBA is peak sports entertainment right now. Especially when the Indiana Fever are playing.

And INDYCAR is skyrocketing because FOX is committed fully to it and Roger Penske and IMS Productions are promoting it well.

NASCAR needs a change in ownership or this will continue to get worse. The only person who is in management now that should be the HNIC is Ben Kennedy.
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In what world is the WNBA Peak sports entertainment right now? What are the parameters involved with this ranking?
 
HoneyBadger said:
The WNBA is peak sports entertainment right now. Especially when the Indiana Fever are playing.
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I question whether the WNBA as a whole is what's popular, or whether it's just Clark. The Fever's viewer numbers drop when she's out. Time will tell whether the league will remain in the public eye after she's gone.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
I question whether the WNBA as a whole is what's popular, or whether it's just Clark. The Fever's viewer numbers drop when she's out. Time will tell whether the league will remain in the public eye after she's gone.
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eh, the comparisons were the funny part for me, but I did consider the source.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
I question whether the WNBA as a whole is what's popular, or whether it's just Clark. The Fever's viewer numbers drop when she's out. Time will tell whether the league will remain in the public eye after she's gone.
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Even in the games without Caitlin Clark, ratings are way up from two years ago.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
I question whether the WNBA as a whole is what's popular, or whether it's just Clark. The Fever's viewer numbers drop when she's out. Time will tell whether the league will remain in the public eye after she's gone.
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HoneyBadger said:
Even in the games without Caitlin Clark, ratings are way up from two years ago.
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Yes but how do the currect numbers stack up to other televised sports? I made an effort but what I found lumped the WNBA into from basketball in general, as if fans of the NBA and college ball also watched it too.

Being up a huge percentage doesn't make it 'peak entertainment' if it had only a miniscule share in the first place. Twice nothing is still nothing.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Yes but how do the currect numbers stack up to other televised sports? I made an effort but what I found lumped the WNBA into from basketball in general, as if fans of the NBA and college ball also watched it too.

Being up a huge percentage doesn't make it 'peak entertainment' if it had only a miniscule share in the first place. Twice nothing is still nothing.
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IndyCar had lower ratings during its ABC and VERSUS days.

WNBA has a massive TV contract with ESPN, NBC, Prime and ION which will promote growth.

Caitlin Clark is the main draw but the league has serious star power with Sabrina, Aja Wilson, Paige, Juju coming in soon, and the Mebound Queen is on cereal boxes and McDonald’s wrappers and magazine covers.



NASCAR has a lack of star power. I don’t think any casual person could name a single driver today. Except MAYBEEEE Bubba.

In fact, Toni Breidinger was the only NASCAR driver to make that top 150 marketability list.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
That may be but no one was calling it peak entertainment.

You also chaged the subject instead of answering the question.
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It’s peak entertainment.

Just watch last nights Connecticut/Indiana game.

Peak. Entertainment.

Especially when Sophie Cunningham stood on business.

These girls are force, tough, physical competitors and many of them aren’t hard to look at either. Especially Sophie and Lexie.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
That may be but no one was calling it peak entertainment.

You also chaged the subject instead of answering the question.
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With a 1.19 million average for stick n ball called peak entertainment? Compared to other stick and ball ratings, I would call that a stretch.
 
StandOnIt said:
lol. No sh*t.
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Charlie Spencer said:
I question whether the WNBA as a whole is what's popular, or whether it's just Clark. The Fever's viewer numbers drop when she's out. Time will tell whether the league will remain in the public eye after she's gone.
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The WBNA is a terrible product propped up by a phenomenal superstar. Outside of her nobody cares.
 
Samsung's current privacy policy (as of 2024) does not contain the exact phrase "please be aware that if your spoken words include personal or other sensitive information, that that information is captured." This specific wording was part of Samsung's 2015 Smart TV privacy policy, which caused significant controversy at the time. That statement referred to the voice recognition feature on Samsung Smart TVs, which captured and transmitted voice data, including sensitive information, to third-party service providers (like Nuance Communications, Inc.) for processing.



Following public backlash, Samsung revised its privacy policy to clarify how voice recognition works and removed or modified the troubling language. The updated policy emphasized that voice data is only collected when the voice recognition feature is activated, and users can disable it at any time. Current Samsung privacy policies (available at sites like www.samsung.com or https://account.samsung.com/membership/terms/privacypolicy) focus on broader data collection practices, including voice data when using features like Bixby or voice commands, but they no longer use the specific phrasing you mentioned. Instead, they note that voice data may be collected with user consent, processed for providing services, and shared with third parties under certain conditions, with options to opt out or disable such features.



For example, the policy highlights that apps like Bixby require microphone access with consent, and a green dot appears on the screen when the microphone is active to alert users. It also mentions that users can manage data collection via settings or the Samsung Privacy Portal. If you’re concerned about voice data, you can disable voice recognition features on Samsung devices (e.g., Settings > System > Voice Interaction on TVs or Bixby settings on phones).


Recent posts on X (dated June 19, 2025) have reignited concerns, claiming Samsung TVs are "always listening," even when powered off, citing the 2015 policy language. However, these claims appear to exaggerate or misrepresent the current policy, as there’s no evidence in Samsung’s 2024 documentation supporting constant recording, especially when devices are off. Always check the latest policy on Samsung’s official site for your region, as practices may vary by country.
 
StandOnIt said:
Recent posts on X (dated June 19, 2025) have reignited concerns, claiming Samsung TVs are "always listening," even when powered off, citing the 2015 policy language. However, these claims appear to exaggerate or misrepresent the current policy, as there’s no evidence in Samsung’s 2024 documentation supporting constant recording, especially when devices are off. Always check the latest policy on Samsung’s official site for your region, as practices may vary by country.
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Why I don't have a 'smart speaker' or devices that are controlled solely by voice, and why I disable voice recognition on everything else. Companies already have enough sources of info about me.
 
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