so what is going to be the new points system?

Naitch said:
I've said this before here, but I don't think it helps when guys like Larson are out here promoting open wheel dirt.
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Ballsy....yet interesting point. I think the benefit is more in the idea that the rich dude still wants to do this.....kinda the common man thing....one of "us." I am not sure that his dirt stuff helps NASCAR--particularly when he says that he races NASCAR to fuel his true passion which is dirt.
 
Revman said:
Ballsy....yet interesting point. I think the benefit is more in the idea that the rich dude still wants to do this.....kinda the common man thing....one of "us." I am not sure that his dirt stuff helps NASCAR--particularly when he says that he races NASCAR to fuel his true passion which is dirt.
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Maybe you guys can take up a collection to kick him out.
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Naitch said:
I've said this before here, but I don't think it helps when guys like Larson are out here promoting open wheel dirt.
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I don't think it's Larson's job (or any other driver's) to put in more effort in support of grass roots stock car racing than NASCAR itself is doing.
 
StandOnIt said:
A large part of the "grass roots" pavement problem is that they don't have a car they can go anywhere with it and race and be legal. They have so many sub models of late models racing on down, they can't interchange them from track to track, series to series.
Another problem that will never be solved is the surface. Because the surface it is so uniform from track to track, the car tuning is more important than the driver input in many cases.
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This whole debate is hilarious. The Kings Royal pays $175K to its winner. Why are many of the top young talents coming from dirt racing? Because it’s so damn lucrative, sprint cars have lapped late models as a professional sport by quite a margin
 
They will NOT abandon a “playoff”…I think that has been clear for months. Everyone close to the sport including owners saying the same thing; increased emphasis on regular season performance. My prediction:

1. Modification of points awarded. Hard to say the exact formula but perhaps higher rewards for top 10 or top 15 finishers.
2. Win and in will survive except for a points standing requirement (must be top 16 or top 20 in points at end of regular season…something like that).
3. I hope they use the 3, 3 and 4 scenario for the playoffs, with the champion determined by the highest points finish over the last 4 races for the remaining drivers. Anything similar would be an improvement over the current last race model.
 
Conover said:
3. I hope they use the 3, 3 and 4 scenario for the playoffs...
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Many people here and in the media think the 3-3-4 format is likely, but I don't. The problem is that all attention is focused on the elimination cut line... who is below the cut point and who is dangerously close to it. TV and other media just naturally goes for those storylines. And the best performers who are running up front and winning races are somewhat of an after-thought. IIRC, Nascar brass acknowledged this inherent drawback of an elimination format such as we've endured since 2014.

My prediction is Nascar will return to a 10-race "chase for the championship" with a single points reset after 26 regular season races. However - and this is very important - there needs to be strong initial seeding based on regular season wins and high finish in regular season points. The 2004-13 chase was almost entirely divorced from the regular season, and that flaw needs to be fixed.

IMO, the full season 36-race points accumulation only works if the reward for race wins is massively increased. The current points scale per race is far too flat. It over-rewards mid-field performance and under-rewards race winners and top-5 performers. That's been my main problem with NASCAR points since 1972 (when I first learned how the points deal worked). I seriously doubt NASCAR will fix that... so I favor the 10-race chase to make it less likely we get a "coast-and-collect" champion as we have various times in history. Racing to protect a points lead is dreary stuff. Let's not go back to that.
 
LewTheShoe said:
Many people here and in the media think the 3-3-4 format is likely, but I don't. The problem is that all attention is focused on the elimination cut line... who is below the cut point and who is dangerously close to it. TV and other media just naturally goes for those storylines. And the best performers who are running up front and winning races are somewhat of an after-thought. IIRC, Nascar brass acknowledged this inherent drawback of an elimination format such as we've endured since 2014.

My prediction is Nascar will return to a 10-race "chase for the championship" with a single points reset after 26 regular season races. However - and this is very important - there needs to be strong initial seeding based on regular season wins and high finish in regular season points. The 2004-13 chase was almost entirely divorced from the regular season, and that flaw needs to be fixed.

IMO, the full season 36-race points accumulation only works if the reward for race wins is massively increased. The current points scale per race is far too flat. It over-rewards mid-field performance and under-rewards race winners and top-5 performers. That's been my main problem with NASCAR points since 1972 (when I first learned how the points deal worked). I seriously doubt NASCAR will fix that... so I favor the 10-race chase to make it less likely we get a "coast-and-collect" champion as we have various times in history. Racing to protect a points lead is dreary stuff. Let's not go back to that.
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I agree with most of this. My hope is that when the points reset with 3/4 of the season happens, the regular season champion or the driver 1st in the standings at that point receives a points bonus that puts him a leg up on the field. To me that’s the only fair way to do this and takes into account the previous 26 races worth of results.
 
I say just do what they do now and have points for race wins and stage wins carry over into The Chase. That way the drivers that are consistently winning have a leg up against the 10th place driver that coasts their way in. And then increase the amount of points for a race win, add bonus points for leading a lap and most laps lead.
 
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