so what is going to be the new points system?

DanicaFreak said:
Mr g upstairs post!
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When NASCAR manages to drag your boy out of the basement, something has either gone incredibly right or terribly wrong. It's definitely the former in this case for me. I'm very curious to see who among these younger guys will crack the Chase code first.
 
Jorge De Guzman said:
I was thinking about this driving home and yes you’re right. I egregiously forgot Joey. He rally has been around a long time, but he’s still so young.
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Yeah man, I remember those days of Joey getting pushed around while he was at Gibbs. I bought one of his t-shirts back then. Heck, I might still have it somewhere.
 
gnomesayin said:
NBC claimed they were hands off and letting NASCAR decide.

The latest excuses going around have to do with their being driver and sponsor contracts that contain clauses relative to Playoffs / Chase performance. As if we're supposed to believe for a single second that Jim France is constrained by that.
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Actually it makes a huge difference. When they instituted charters some drivers really came out bad because they're salary was based on purse money. Charters reduced purse money and gave more guaranteed money.

There's no doubt some current contracts are based on making it to the playoffs and likely even which round you make it to.
 
Well, it's definitely an improvement over the farce of "final four", rounds or win and your in garbage. Now get rid of crash inducing overtime.

Either way, I look forward to the season starting much more than I have the past few years. Plus the fact they will have 750 hp back on some tracks I heard. A big plus.
 
Just watched the press conference from Nascar earlier today and had to come right over to the forum.

This is so strange for me. As someone who has only watched the sport for the last 4 years, I've never seen or experienced a non-playoffs version of the cup series. A lot of you guys on this forum or old-timers to the sport and you have a different perspective than I do here, whether it be the Sprint/Nextel cup, or the Winston cup. It looks like I am going to have to re-think the whole sport a little bit, or maybe not at all. This is really cool to me and I'm excited to see what happens. But for sure my favorite driver Carson Hocevar wont be getting a championship for a while in this new format lol.

Also... I am seeing some mixed reviews about the continuity of the stage points system. I personally think that its cool for them to stay. I see why people dont like stage racing, but I think its good for the drivers in the mid-pack, the lapped drivers with free-passes, its good for nascar because they get guaranteed commercial time, it takes some of the uncertanty out of the strategy for the teams, and many other reasons. But then again, some people might think those are all the reasons NOT to have stage racing. But like Mark Martin said, you just cant make everyone happy. But lets just see how the year goes first. I'm super hype.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Nope, nope, nope. Gotta start when the NFL season does, so USA can have the Chase and those viewers will stay tuned and not switch to watching football.
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Right now, NASCAR is SO FAR behind the NFL, I wouldn't waste five seconds of consideration over what they are doing. NASCAR should concentrate on NASCAR and get their own house in order before worrying about what the NFL is doing. We are where we are now because these ten week formats not only failed to attract new audience, they failed to keep the one they already had. If I were Jim France, I would throw EVERYTHING into being the best version of ourselves and let the chips fall where they may. Rewarding mediocrity is not a recipe for success, and neither is expecting people to care that your playoff is two and a half months long.
 
StandOnIt said:
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I'm puzzled how going back to a format that was widely despised everywhere but NASCAR HQ and saw fan support erode like a California mud slide is a perfect compromise. Looks more like continued throwing excrement on the wall and seeing if ANY of it manages to stick.
 
Saw a headline today about NASCAR changing the playoff format and that piqued my curiousity. My interest in NASCAR has waned to the point that I haven't even watched a race on a screen for a couple of years now. The 23XI lawsuit was the only news I'd seen for a while. 😕

A big step in the right direction. I won't say this alone is enough to get me actively interested again, but it might help.
 
Formerjackman said:
Right now, NASCAR is SO FAR behind the NFL, I wouldn't waste five seconds of consideration over what they are doing. NASCAR should concentrate on NASCAR and get their own house in order before worrying about what the NFL is doing. We are where we are now because these ten week formats not only failed to attract new audience, they failed to keep the one they already had. If I were Jim France, I would throw EVERYTHING into being the best version of ourselves and let the chips fall where they may. Rewarding mediocrity is not a recipe for success, and neither is expecting people to care that your playoff is two and a half months long.
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This. 100%
 
I do think taking a step away from the playoffs is good for the individual races themselves. Each track and race will get a little bit of their character back as well as their own storyline for that week. I think that’s good, it builds the sport back up as a weekly must see tv and makes everything stronger as a whole. I said before in the past that from the time the sport got back to Daytona in February to start a new season, the concept of “PLAYOFFS!!” just hung over everything that happened like a black cloud. It was just a monotonous slog toward the start of the playoffs and then a slog to get though those 10. The return of The Chase gives each race a chance to breathe and its chance to shine for its week on the schedule.
 
I also think this is the final nail in the coffin to go back to a full season format. I don’t foresee it ever happening. This was the time to do that and the NASCAR Honcho’s didn’t for whatever reason. I hate to say but it seems the inner workings of the industry such as tv contracts, driver contracts and sponsor contracts have evolved past that. It stinks I still hate the points reset with the season 3/4 over but I am thankful it’s only one reset as opposed to what it was before. I think this is the best I’m going to get as a Full Season Format Bro.
 
Formerjackman said:
Right now, NASCAR is SO FAR behind the NFL, I wouldn't waste five seconds of consideration over what they are doing. NASCAR should concentrate on NASCAR and get their own house in order before worrying about what the NFL is doing. We are where we are now because these ten week formats not only failed to attract new audience, they failed to keep the one they already had. If I were Jim France, I would throw EVERYTHING into being the best version of ourselves and let the chips fall where they may. Rewarding mediocrity is not a recipe for success, and neither is expecting people to care that your playoff is two and a half months long.
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This.
gnomesayin said:


I like how they're trumpeting "No eliminations" when the main feature of a Chase cutoff is to "eliminate" two thirds of the field from mattering

"Hey everyone, we got rid of most of the unpopular changes you hated. We've struck the right balance!"

This is the equivalent of Coca Cola reacting to the New Coke debacle by pledging that going forward, cans would be filled with 60% of the classic recipe.
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Anybody know why the Chase went away in the first place?
 
Jorge De Guzman said:
I also think this is the final nail in the coffin to go back to a full season format. I don’t foresee it ever happening. This was the time to do that and the NASCAR Honcho’s didn’t for whatever reason. I hate to say but it seems the inner workings of the industry such as tv contracts, driver contracts and sponsor contracts have evolved past that. It stinks I still hate the points reset with the season 3/4 over but I am thankful it’s only one reset as opposed to what it was before. I think this is the best I’m going to get as a Full Season Format Bro.
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Maybe, maybe not. This is a pretty significant retreat. They're touting "no eliminations" as a big selling point after more than a decade of promoting nothing but eliminations. High HP then low HP then higher HP again. Leave the Brickyard oval only to return again. Try to get off as many intermediate ovals as possible only to design a car that only works on them. Move toward double digit road courses on the schedule then start yanking them off. They flip flop constantly because there is no steady vision among leadership.

Brian France had a vision. It was a ghastly, drug-addled vision of a guy who wished he inherited a sportsball league instead, but it was a vision and he was a leader. These guys do what seems to be working at the moment based on which way the wind is blowing. Who knows what that will be a few years down the line.
 
Blaze said:
Someone will end up doing it for us. But yeah would believe so lol.

3 wins
7 top 5s
8 top 10s

Talladega being the lone race outside top 10 with a 23rd.
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Heim also would’ve won very comfortably by virtue of having a big lead at the reset and finishing 1st or 2nd each of the final seven races.

What this evolution of the Chase does much better than previous iterations is weight regular season performance at the reset. The biggest gap the top seed ever had over the second seed at the reset between 2004-2013 was 30 points, and that was under the Latford scale where that was only ~six positions apart on track - a woefully inadequate bonus for 26 races worth of work.
 
Kennedy outright admits that if someone like Mark Martin weren’t such a vocal proponent of All 36, we likely wouldn’t have a compromise that better rewards consistency. Seems like we were headed to a marginally less bastardized elimination format (i.e.: 3-3-4) otherwise.



 
Mark Martin (and Dale Jr. with his more diplomatic posture) deserves enormous credit for forcing the progress that was made. I don't fault him for giving his public blessing to this. He didn't need to force himself out on an island if this was the best they could accomplish.

That said, the reality that this is a very reluctant change among top leadership doesn't inspire any confidence.
 
FLRacingFan said:
Kennedy outright admits that if someone like Mark Martin weren’t such a vocal proponent of All 36, we likely wouldn’t have a compromise that better rewards consistency. Seems like we were headed to a marginally less bastardized elimination format (i.e.: 3-3-4) otherwise.



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That’s incredible. The Honchos are either really stupid and bad at their jobs or they think the fans as well as former drivers are stupid. The Honchos really were going to polish up a turd and try to push it through lmao. That’s incredible.
 
Kind of ironic that the 48 won a lot of races during that time, but Nascar didn't like them winning so much and stinking up the show. And Nascar emphasizes on winning now, shows how they make knee jerk reactions.
 
gnomesayin said:
These guys do what seems to be working at the moment based on which way the wind is blowing.
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Which is what happens when you try to respond to what the fans are saying on social media....
 
Curious....what will we use as a metric to determine whether or not this "new" system is better? Television numbers? Driver satisfaction? Social media? Mark Martin's mouth? Kenny Wallace?
 
Revman said:
Curious....what will we use as a metric to determine whether or not this "new" system is better? Television numbers? Driver satisfaction? Social media? Mark Martin's mouth? Kenny Wallace?
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The fact that one race isn't going to be the reason someone wins or loses a championship. That alone makes it better. The fact awhole season's worth of work isn't going to be wiped out because some idiot causes a wreck at Talladega and you get eliminated.
 
SeventyGTX said:
Well, it's definitely an improvement over the farce of "final four", rounds or win and your in garbage. Now get rid of crash inducing overtime.

Either way, I look forward to the season starting much more than I have the past few years. Plus the fact they will have 750 hp back on some tracks I heard. A big plus.
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I say mandatory random invert of all cars anywhere from top 5 to top 10 for all overtime restarts during the playoffs. Inverted cars start 3 wide.
 
More than I expected, surprised it wasn't the 334 format, Mark and JR are guardian angels of the sport for pushing them this direction.

1 reset with structured head start over a 10 race chase, is a heck of a lot different than 3 resets every 3 races for a winner take all race.

Shocked that they got rid of Win and You're in. That's the biggest surprise to me. More emphasis on consistency points.

It's a gas hearing them backtrack on the talking points of the playoff system they just trash canned lol.

Just glad it's over with they made their decision and restored a healthy amount of legitimacy to the championship (all 36 was a tall order reversal upheaval, I still don't fully agree that they couldn't have done that), but now this can be put to bed and focus on the racing of what good we got.

Good change good compromise for everyone. Good excitement going into Daytona.

Thank you Mark Martin for being a voice of the fans.
 
SeventyGTX said:
Well, it's definitely an improvement over the farce of "final four", rounds or win and your in garbage. Now get rid of crash inducing overtime.

Either way, I look forward to the season starting much more than I have the past few years. Plus the fact they will have 750 hp back on some tracks I heard. A big plus.
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I thought 750 hp was back for all tracks except Daytona, Talladega and Atlanta?
 
Jorge De Guzman said:
That’s why I hope each year when the schedule is released, some form of change for the final 10 tracks is under consideration
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A cumulative ten-race run makes that less necessary than short rounds and a one-and-done. I'd still like to see a rotation but I don't think having a fixed line-up is unfair under this format.
 
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