Cup RACE thread --- Kansas

Maybe an in-car will show up.
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StandOnIt said:
I think they are making more horsepower than everybody else. Pretty evident when they are on the straights and I am watching the timer and they gain a tenth or more. That's assuming the aero numbers are similar.
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The rule book is the same for everybody. I have listened to the **** for years about the vaunted Chain Gang horsepower, and those Rates tuned Fords. OUR time. Love it.
StandOnIt said:
Who says they are cheating? As I think you know, the car plays more of a part in winning races than the driver does. Yeah the driver is important, very much so, but people are seeing plainly that the yotas have an advantage, Some of the comments from Nascar's twitter. Some are all over the place saying the race was rigged, but many fans are seeing something fishy. I was wondering what a large track would show. The yotas advantage didn't show up as much on the smaller tracks but it was there.
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Stop! This is too funny!!!!!!!
Charlie Spencer said:
Others will point out that it isn't just Reddick, that Toyotas have won eight of nine races.

Correlation isn't causation.
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Seven of nine...but who's counting?
BobbyFord said:
What comes around, goes around.
I remember the sport when Hendrick was winning everything.
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But that was okay, right? I mean we heard about the ole Hendrick horsepower, and the quality of Mr. H's system....but when the tables are turned......oh my.
StandOnIt said:
That was the whole race for the most part. Big advantage and I was waiting for Kansas. The small tracks were one thing, but when they got to a high horsepower aero track it was really obvious the advantage the yotas have over the field. When only one car, Larson had speed in the field to keep somewhat up, something is up.

This is pretty telling right here.
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Yeah, something is up. MY Toyotas are kicking ass. If the opposition has a problem with it (and they should)....take Christian Horner's advice....


jaqua19 said:
I havent noticed any Toyota adds all year.

What I have noticed is seeing the USA... "in your cheeeevrooooo layyyyyy"
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Don't have to advertise when you are running up front all year. The sport is cyclical....the ads will be back.
Revman said:
Yeah, something is up. MY Toyotas are kicking ass. If the opposition has a problem with it (and they should)....take Christian Horner's advice....

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Sorry....try this...

 
I think the fact that Reddick went from a 14.5 average finish last year to winning over 50% of the races this year definitely has something to do with the speculation. Serious question…how does a team improve that much in the off season.
 
2 Sweet said:
That 45 is the class of the field. Reddick can carry so much more speed through the middle of the corner
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This is what stood out to me more than any perceived HP advantage. Look at how he ripped around the outside of Denny coming to the white flag and then drove it in deep and made it stick on the inside of Larson into both corners on the final lap. Just unreal cornering speed and commitment between Reddick and his machinery.
 
Brentford said:
I think the fact that Reddick went from a 14.5 average finish last year to winning over 50% of the races this year definitely has something to do with the speculation. Serious question…how does a team improve that much in the off season.
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The speculation comes from idiots. If this was the Chain Gang, we would be talking about how they nailed the new car, and how great Chevy is. NASCAR has had 9 weeks with the Camry, and numerous "randoms." No penalties. At some point, we have to advance this conversation to NASCAR is in bed with Toyota don't we?
 
StandOnIt said:
It's not cheating if Nascar allows it. But when almost every yota was at the front all day at a horsepower track? Something is up.
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Yup, like WE are really ****** good. You've got nothing. Tyler Gibbs (TRD President) said that they had focused on performance for the last 18 months before the season ever started. TRD people are really, really smart. Chevy types don't like getting their asses kicked.
 
Sport runs in phases. Teams are never stagnant. Toyota has en edge right now and at some point the bubble will pop, HMS will figure out the new Chevy, and the 5/9 will be dominant on speed. Sport has always occurred in cycles.
 
StandOnIt said:
It's not cheating if Nascar allows it. But when almost every yota was at the front all day at a horsepower track? Something is up.
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I'm far from a TRD fan, but there's so many things that it could be besides a horsepower advantage. You get through the corner better you make better speed down the straights too. There's so much aero under these cars now
 
Brentford said:
I think the fact that Reddick went from a 14.5 average finish last year to winning over 50% of the races this year definitely has something to do with the speculation. Serious question…how does a team improve that much in the off season.
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Well for one Tyler had a lot of off track things going on last year that took his attention away. No different than the down year that MTJ had. Then look at Chevy still trying to figure out a new body along with dealing with a new short track package. Finally let's face it besides the #12 Ford hasn't really ran good in a couple of years.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
If it was strictly a Toyota horsepower deal, wouldn't Legacy have been up front too, instead of their usual lap down / mid-20s performance?
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I do think horsepower is totally SOME part of it. It has to be.

But's definitely grip related things they have figured out. Other teams will figure it out.
 
Saw this stalking reddit from someone who, from what I can tell, has been a pretty low key, fair poster for years. Grain of salt, but..

"I have connections with a JGR employee through personal hobbies. The individual gives us insider information and little tidbits without violating his NDA obviously. What he did tell me is that the Toyota group have figured out something in the TRD engine department to make extra power and the aero department figured out a way to give their cars a few extra points of downforce in the rear of the car. I've made plenty of speculation as to what that could be, but only those guys know."

Regardless, Toyota's advantages do seem to be in motor and aero - just better cars right now.

I mean, water is wet. Lol. Point is, it likely isn't one thing.
 


Speaking of DNF, I was concerned with the tire wear coming off the 45 early in the race, thought there was a chance it'd be a dnf type of day and they'd do whatever they could to mitigate the issue and limit the damage to a Top 10 points kind of day, because of the points lead they have nothing would bring the peloton of car's chasing them back into the picture to close up the gap in the standings more than a dnf would.

Maybe the track just rubbered up more and that was good for them.

But they turned Reddick loose with 90 to go, afterburners engaged. Reddick Hamlin Larson Bell looked like the only 4 car's capable of winning this race imo.
 
2 Sweet said:
That 45 is the class of the field. Reddick can carry so much more speed through the middle of the corner
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Bingo. Give them credit, Toyota has 100% covered the field right now. What Reddick is doing on all styles of track is unbelievable though, the dude is 100% dialed in.

The only concern I’d have is what happens late in the season when the other teams figure it out. Ford is notorious for this
 
Mispeedway15 said:
Bingo. Give them credit, Toyota has 100% covered the field right now. What Reddick is doing on all styles of track is unbelievable though, the dude is 100% dialed in.

The only concern I’d have is what happens late in the season when the other teams figure it out. Ford is notorious for this
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I wondered what happened to my old NASCAR Thunder GameShark code book. Can someone please tell Tyler I’m gonna need that back?
 
jaqua19 said:
Saw this stalking reddit from someone who, from what I can tell, has been a pretty low key, fair poster for years. Grain of salt, but..

"I have connections with a JGR employee through personal hobbies. The individual gives us insider information and little tidbits without violating his NDA obviously. What he did tell me is that the Toyota group have figured out something in the TRD engine department to make extra power and the aero department figured out a way to give their cars a few extra points of downforce in the rear of the car. I've made plenty of speculation as to what that could be, but only those guys know."

Regardless, Toyota's advantages do seem to be in motor and aero - just better cars right now.

I mean, water is wet. Lol. Point is, it likely isn't one thing.
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Hard to tell but they could explain why the front didn’t hurt him much in the Atlanta win, being in the rear.
 
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