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    23XI statement on not signing Charter agreement

    Here are the pertinent sections from NASCAR’s response to the injunction request: NASCAR’s rebuttal to the injunction filing from 23XI Racing and Front Row Motorsports stands on four key pillars: there are no extraordinary circumstances, demanding a 2025 charter contradicts their complaint, the...
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    23XI statement on not signing Charter agreement

    Exactly, I could see this developing precisely this way. Allenbaba knows more than we do, and he gets it from the drivers side. NASCAR does have a side and say in this relative to testimony, and legal decisions will be made that allow or don’t allow select evidence or info. At the end of the...
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    23XI statement on not signing Charter agreement

    Oh not offended at all. You like portraying women, no problem…whatever floats your boat. And not making personal attacks. This is all about the business, and the status of a sport I love and follow.
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    23XI statement on not signing Charter agreement

    My point was to the statement being built on emotional drivel verses facts. I know lawyers will use both at times, but it seems awfully early to resort to that in statements. My perspective is more from the business model itself. We have little knowledge of how this will play out, but this...
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    23XI statement on not signing Charter agreement

    Now now super lawyer…let’s not throw a tantrum.
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    NASCAR Pick 'Em 2024 - Las Vegas

    And just like that, we’ve got a race for the title again. WOW.
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    NASCAR Pick 'Em 2024 - Las Vegas

    🫨PLAYOFF IMPLICATIONS 😳
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    23XI statement on not signing Charter agreement

    No doubt all of us are speculating and making projections based on what we think we see. My opinion is just that; conjecture related to business practices, the small amount of corporate law I’m familiar with, and some decent knowledge of the sport. I have no beef with the owners (although I...
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    23XI statement on not signing Charter agreement

    Starry eyed NYC lawyer wants an autograph and photo 🤩
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    23XI statement on not signing Charter agreement

    I could see where NASCAR might have seen some eventual ‘return’ on participation might be realized via charters, but it would never be an ROI, since the teams never invested a nickel for them. NASCAR granted those with conditions. It is similar to a rental verses selling a property. Over time...
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    23XI statement on not signing Charter agreement

    The attorney quoted acknowledges he only looked at the complaint filing, which ‘is only one side of the story”. Both of his quick takes (teams squeezed financially and high entry barriers to participation) don’t include any supporting context. Neither generalized conditions alone or together...
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    23XI statement on not signing Charter agreement

    Hey retired here also. Not taking anything personal. Just a very lifelong dedicated nascar racing fan going back to my first Winston cup races attended as a kid at Hickory Motor Speedway. Seen a lot over those years in this sport. Covered it as a broadcaster for a time long ago. Friends with and...
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    23XI statement on not signing Charter agreement

    Show me where NASCAR stated specifically that charters were designed to provide owners with a tangible asset of value when they were introduced? Haven’t seen it and I doubt you will find it. The intent of charters was to guarantee a team’s participation in every race, with set funding they could...
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    Cup RACE thread --- Roval

    So here is the great confliction we knew would happen one day. Hamcrap gives up his spot to his personally owned team driver to get him into the playoffs ahead of Joey.
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    23XI statement on not signing Charter agreement

    You missed my point in my “educated guess” segment. I noted that the corporation owns the teams…of course they would protect themselves personally. However, financing the corporation requires confidence in tangible assets and cash flows. Charters would have been presented as those assets if...
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    23XI statement on not signing Charter agreement

    It’s an educated guess. Unless one believes he has $30M laying around and wants to put his personal accounts in jeopardy. Hambone gets business advice. He incorporated the business, which means the collateral and business analysis used to borrow money would require the company demonstrate income...
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    23XI statement on not signing Charter agreement

    Oh stop it…I’m having some fun with it, while explaining the truth. And yes I was a darn good psychology major! I don’t resent anyone with money, and I will always be an MJ fan. I despise Hambone because of his smarmy persona. Yes, he’s a narcissist…his behavior reveals it over and over. His...
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    23XI statement on not signing Charter agreement

    Let me explain this quote by Hambone. What he really means is …”I’ve always wanted to be really BIG, and I see my buddy MJ who’s as BIG as it gets, so I talked him into buying into NASCAR with me, cause I want to be a B I G racing enterprise owner! Now, we had to buy expensive charters, but...
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    NASCAR Pick 'Em 2024 - Talladega

    One of the many challenges of this game is how luck falls with prime driver picks. Depend on them for top level finishes. But when they crap the bed it hurts. I’ve had a few dump me by the curb this season (no thanks Byron, a couple of others).
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    NASCAR Pick 'Em 2024 - Talladega

    @pjmolo … only one force could disrupt your good luck…my bad luck of picking the same driver you did!
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