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  1. Conover

    Enough Is Enough Full Season Championship.

    Agree, I don’t see them leaving some form of “playoffs”. Bianchi speculated on 3 possibilities; full season, existing 10 race chase, or a 3-3-4 scenario. If they must have a “playoffs”, I’d prefer to just crown a regular season champion after 32 races, then have the top 5 finishers eligible for...
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    23XI statement on not signing Charter agreement

    That was well written and sincere. While I do not believe all teams are as efficient and thrifty as they could be, I know the battle to control expenses AND stay top shelf competitive is real. I do not see the revenue stream granted by NASCAR as the issue or the answer. Now that NASCAR has...
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    23XI statement on not signing Charter agreement

    LOL, I WAS speaking to the Bianchi article not attempting to claim some other source knowledge. I get your bias is every bit as cemented as what you claim mine is. So be it, we all have opinions, but I am realistic enough to not claim something not grounded in relative facts. Both sides will...
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    23XI statement on not signing Charter agreement

    Link to Pockrass info on costs. Notice the hugely wide variables related to labor, travel, facilities and more:
  5. Conover

    23XI statement on not signing Charter agreement

    Geez…you throw terms around like a sailor on leave. The settlement discussed is not “charters forever”. It is charters leased to teams through this period, and guaranteed through the next rights period. The expectation is for these to be somewhat evergreen BUT there is no guarantee, nor do teams...
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    23XI statement on not signing Charter agreement

    Pockrass showed a document that outlines revenue and costs for a number of anonymous teams. Some had paper losses, others had some profit. Here’s the problem; no details were provided. Financial statements aren’t helpful without detailed accounting. What are the costs? Where are the expenses...
  7. Conover

    23XI statement on not signing Charter agreement

    Stop misconstruing what happened. They didn’t get to keep charters because THEY DIDN’T SIGN THE CHARTER AGREEMENT. Go try to lease a car without signing the documentation.
  8. Conover

    23XI statement on not signing Charter agreement

    And that would be the most likely final agreement. I do see why NASCAR feels the plantiff’s Should pay the majority of their legal fees, since it was Jordan Cabal that wouldn’t sign the charter agreement and initiated the lawsuit.
  9. Conover

    23XI statement on not signing Charter agreement

    Disagree with Virtualbalboa’s take, that NASCAR acquiesced to the terms of the plantiff’s in the settlement discussions. Read carefully the wording from article in The Athletic: “During the settlement conference, NASCAR acquiesced and agreed to provide teams with long-term security and...
  10. Conover

    23XI statement on not signing Charter agreement

    Yep, Bell is an MJ lover, his prior rulings have been struck down, and he’s not a reliable adjudicator for fairness IMO. Having said that, NASCAR’s contention in this particular claim was a very difficult one to win. Was there evidence? Yes for sure. Did it rise to a malevolent level necessary...
  11. Conover

    NASCAR Pick 'Em 2025 - Phoenix

    No matter what happens it is completely mind blowing how @kkfan91 sent every pick in ahead of the season opener, and is poised to win! No doubt he put time and research into everything prior to submission. If he just had some beers and blurted a name into his phone’s memo app….😳
  12. Conover

    23XI statement on not signing Charter agreement

    It is so obvious this is a pure money and power play by the Jordan cabal. But glad it’s headed to a trial. As long as they can seat reasonably intelligent persons, the verdict should crush this BS attempt to claim a monopoly. Hamcrap said he thought “both sides were on a suicide mission”...
  13. Conover

    23XI statement on not signing Charter agreement

    And you continue to act like these charters have no value to NASCAR (the OWNERS, since these are leased for a fixed period), and should just be GIVEN to the teams (your words). That is a simplistic and naive view of the business. NASCAR should NOT be expected to just hand over the value of those...
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    23XI statement on not signing Charter agreement

    So basically you want NASCAR to just grant these teams ownership and become franchises of the enterprise. OK, if that’s what they want, then NASCAR should send each team an invoice for $35M per car. Structure the rules and various approval processes like the NFL. But teams should NEVER get to...
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    23XI statement on not signing Charter agreement

    Yep, Kessler playing the set up game. Start yapping and trying to influence potential jurors while positioning his clients as the righteous brothers marching for FAIRNESS. Such dribble. Hope a jury drop kicks Kessler, Jordache and Hamcrap into bankruptcy.
  16. Conover

    Cup RACE thread --- Talladega

    I really like Chase Briscoe as a person, how he conducts himself and with his love for family. He’s turned a bad situation (SHR) into a magnificent success story. He’s a great driver also. Congrats to him and his team. If Elliott can’t get in the championship I’ll be pulling for Briscoe to win it.
  17. Conover

    NASCAR Pick 'Em 2025 - Talladega

    Congrats guys on the good picks. I had to run with a reach pick, which was Hill, who was doing decent but kept drifting to the back late. Now just hoping to hold on to a top 5 season finish.
  18. Conover

    Xfinity RACE thread --- Talladega

    Congrats to Connor Zillisch and Justin Allgaier for transferring into the championship race!
  19. Conover

    2026 Silly Season

    Maybe Suarez as a replacement? Hard to know. Sponsorship will dictate directions.
  20. Conover

    OK, I'll admit it.

    Never said the guy isn’t a winning driver. I’ve said I detest the guy for being a jerk, a narcissist, and wrecking many a driver with intent. My right as a fan to not like him. Also it’s your right as a fan to like him.
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