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  1. Conover

    Cup RACE thread --- Phoenix

    Got so sick of their constant lather over Hamlin. It was vomit 🤮 over and over….and I get that was the fairytale storyline, but they just….NEVER……STOPPED!
  2. Conover

    Cup RACE thread --- Phoenix

    And for everyone here who says we should just use a points system…Hamcrap wouldn’t even be in the hunt. So IF he had won today, Denny’s championship would be as empty as anyone’s ever in the “championship race” format. So good for Larson.
  3. Conover

    Cup RACE thread --- Phoenix

    WAY TO GO LARSON! Hamcrap can’t get it done, and yes it was a caution setting it up, but that’s racin’.
  4. Conover

    Cup RACE thread --- Phoenix

    Well I’m the anti Hamcrap of course, so don’t hate on me for pulling against him. Tired of all the Denny smaltz and dog licking from the NBC gerbils (so thick you can’t wash it off with a curry comb), I still want him to get a speeding penalty, whine about something wrong with his car, then park...
  5. Conover

    Go Chase Briscoe!

    You’re a truly good man and driver Chase! I’m pulling for you today! PS - Don’t let ANYONE make you do dirty work or acquiesce to help Hamcrap win. You’ve earned your ticket, and deserve a championship as much as anyone.
  6. Conover

    Nascar Cup Series Championship Phoenix Pre Race Thread.

    Enjoy! I know you’ll have a great time no matter what happens. Any chance JGR has put a governor on Briscoe’s machine to keep him from ruining Hamcrap’s chance at glory? For a guy who’s won so many poles he hasn’t shown the speed I expected since coming off the truck.
  7. Conover

    Nascar Cup Series Championship Phoenix Pre Race Thread.

    I really have come to like and appreciate Chase Briscoe as a person and a driver. I’ll be pulling for him, followed by Byron. I’m OK if Larson wins it, do not want Hamcrap to get it, but understand there is a lot of sentiment for him to FINALLY win a title.
  8. Conover

    Enough Is Enough Full Season Championship.

    Agree, I don’t see them leaving some form of “playoffs”. Bianchi speculated on 3 possibilities; full season, existing 10 race chase, or a 3-3-4 scenario. If they must have a “playoffs”, I’d prefer to just crown a regular season champion after 32 races, then have the top 5 finishers eligible for...
  9. Conover

    23XI statement on not signing Charter agreement

    That was well written and sincere. While I do not believe all teams are as efficient and thrifty as they could be, I know the battle to control expenses AND stay top shelf competitive is real. I do not see the revenue stream granted by NASCAR as the issue or the answer. Now that NASCAR has...
  10. Conover

    23XI statement on not signing Charter agreement

    LOL, I WAS speaking to the Bianchi article not attempting to claim some other source knowledge. I get your bias is every bit as cemented as what you claim mine is. So be it, we all have opinions, but I am realistic enough to not claim something not grounded in relative facts. Both sides will...
  11. Conover

    23XI statement on not signing Charter agreement

    Link to Pockrass info on costs. Notice the hugely wide variables related to labor, travel, facilities and more:
  12. Conover

    23XI statement on not signing Charter agreement

    Geez…you throw terms around like a sailor on leave. The settlement discussed is not “charters forever”. It is charters leased to teams through this period, and guaranteed through the next rights period. The expectation is for these to be somewhat evergreen BUT there is no guarantee, nor do teams...
  13. Conover

    23XI statement on not signing Charter agreement

    Pockrass showed a document that outlines revenue and costs for a number of anonymous teams. Some had paper losses, others had some profit. Here’s the problem; no details were provided. Financial statements aren’t helpful without detailed accounting. What are the costs? Where are the expenses...
  14. Conover

    23XI statement on not signing Charter agreement

    Stop misconstruing what happened. They didn’t get to keep charters because THEY DIDN’T SIGN THE CHARTER AGREEMENT. Go try to lease a car without signing the documentation.
  15. Conover

    23XI statement on not signing Charter agreement

    And that would be the most likely final agreement. I do see why NASCAR feels the plantiff’s Should pay the majority of their legal fees, since it was Jordan Cabal that wouldn’t sign the charter agreement and initiated the lawsuit.
  16. Conover

    23XI statement on not signing Charter agreement

    Disagree with Virtualbalboa’s take, that NASCAR acquiesced to the terms of the plantiff’s in the settlement discussions. Read carefully the wording from article in The Athletic: “During the settlement conference, NASCAR acquiesced and agreed to provide teams with long-term security and...
  17. Conover

    23XI statement on not signing Charter agreement

    Yep, Bell is an MJ lover, his prior rulings have been struck down, and he’s not a reliable adjudicator for fairness IMO. Having said that, NASCAR’s contention in this particular claim was a very difficult one to win. Was there evidence? Yes for sure. Did it rise to a malevolent level necessary...
  18. Conover

    NASCAR Pick 'Em 2025 - Phoenix

    No matter what happens it is completely mind blowing how @kkfan91 sent every pick in ahead of the season opener, and is poised to win! No doubt he put time and research into everything prior to submission. If he just had some beers and blurted a name into his phone’s memo app….😳
  19. Conover

    23XI statement on not signing Charter agreement

    It is so obvious this is a pure money and power play by the Jordan cabal. But glad it’s headed to a trial. As long as they can seat reasonably intelligent persons, the verdict should crush this BS attempt to claim a monopoly. Hamcrap said he thought “both sides were on a suicide mission”...
  20. Conover

    23XI statement on not signing Charter agreement

    And you continue to act like these charters have no value to NASCAR (the OWNERS, since these are leased for a fixed period), and should just be GIVEN to the teams (your words). That is a simplistic and naive view of the business. NASCAR should NOT be expected to just hand over the value of those...
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