1 playoff point for leading the most laps?

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I feel like NASCAR should reward drivers for leading the most laps. It would make for better racing, as drivers would have incentive to do so.

I don't understand why NASCAR eliminated this. They must've had a reason to do it. That said, hopefully they consider bringing it back.
 
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I always liked the point for leading a race too...not sure it should be a playoff point like most laps.
 
They're are plenty of ways already to earn playoff points. I'd like to see playoff points go away entirely, not have more ways to earn them introduced.

"My Driver Earned a Playoff Point at NASCAR Elementary"
 
How about we stop adding ways to give out points and further confuse a casual fan. Yeah this system is understood by everyone here but have you ever tried to explain it to someone that is a casual fan? Make them understand that last week the #12 that finished 6th somehow earned more points than the #1 that won the race.
 
wi_racefan said:
How about we stop adding ways to give out points and further confuse a casual fan. Yeah this system is understood by everyone here but have you ever tried to explain it to someone that is a casual fan? Make them understand that last week the #12 that finished 6th somehow earned more points than the #1 that won the race.
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I am a big fan of sprint car racing, World of Outlaws and the All Stars. Been watching both since they first started. Funny thing is I have no idea how their point system works. Actually, I have no idea how the point system works in any other series. But for some reason it is really a big deal in NASCAR.

I agree with your comment about a 6th place car scoring more than 1st place. That should be changed.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
They're are plenty of ways already to earn playoff points. I'd like to see playoff points go away entirely, not have more ways to earn them introduced.

"My Driver Earned a Playoff Point at NASCAR Elementary"
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eh, I think you may have forgotten why they have them in the first place. The first year of the "playoffs" Johnson after having a good year was eliminated the first round because of a bad wheel seal. So the first of many "patches" appeared the second year. I don't think they will go back to the first oh **** moment.
 
The system is already too complicated with stage points. I would rather it not become more convoluted with rewarding points for leading laps, qualifying position, passes, etc. *If* another bonus point had to be awarded I would personally prefer to see it go to the pole sitter
 
RacerrecaR said:
The system is already too complicated with stage points. I would rather it not become more convoluted with rewarding points for leading laps, qualifying position, passes, etc. *If* another bonus point had to be awarded I would personally prefer to see it go to the pole sitter
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That's not a bad idea.
 
Nitro Dude said:
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I don't want to speak for Charlie, but I don't like making qualifying into something more than it needs to be. I always enjoyed single car qualifying to set the field. I never liked the knockout format, multiple rounds, etc.

Bonus points for sitting on the pole doesn't make sense to me. They already have the reward of pit stall selection, and it's not like anyone out there is sandbagging, so what's the point? It won't add any excitement or drama, and it won't change any team's strategy. It's just giving out points for the sake of giving out points. Unnecessary.
 
Nitro Dude said:
I'm listening.
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As I noted earlier, I think there are already too many ways to earn points. I think starting on the pole and getting first pit stall choice is reward enough. Hopefully the first pre-season non-points race will return to feature only the pole winners; that race and the practice time would be another payoff.

But I'm listening too. Make your case.
 
wi_racefan said:
How about we stop adding ways to give out points and further confuse a casual fan. Yeah this system is understood by everyone here but have you ever tried to explain it to someone that is a casual fan? Make them understand that last week the #12 that finished 6th somehow earned more points than the #1 that won the race.
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Wasn't confusing before stages and playoffs and playoff points and all that jazz.
 
Hell how are any of y’all confused? I’m a dumbass and understand it. Even if some of its stupid as **** I understand how the system works.
 
Blaze said:
Hell how are any of y’all confused? I’m a dumbass and understand it. Even if some of its stupid as **** I understand how the system works.
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What's confusing is how a driver can win the race but receive fewer points than the guy who finished 7th. Mind you, It's not the points system itself that's confusing; what's confusing is why anyone would implement a points system with that kind of flaw.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
What's confusing is how a driver can win the race but receive fewer points than the guy who finished 7th. Mind you, It's not the points system itself that's confusing; what's confusing is why anyone would implement a points system with that kind of flaw.
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Oh okay see this makes sense. I thought y’all was out here confused about how people got points and everything lol. That’s one of the things I meant was stupid about this system. They really should make it so the winner gets whatever the most points you can get right now for a race, plus at least 1 extra. So it’s no possible way for anyone to get more points than the winner.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
As I noted earlier, I think there are already too many ways to earn points. I think starting on the pole and getting first pit stall choice is reward enough. Hopefully the first pre-season non-points race will return to feature only the pole winners; that race and the practice time would be another payoff.

But I'm listening too. Make your case.
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Agreed. I am not in favor of more bonus points for any reason (including stage wins) but I feel like a pole sitter bonus point would make more sense TODAY than points for leading the most laps. Here's why..

It isn't uncommon for the driver to lead the most laps and/or have the fastest lap in the race to not be the winner. Those stats add no more to the final results than qualifying order does, thus inferring bonus points for all aforementioned as being largely pointless.

So, why then would I still prefer a pole sitter point bonus? Because in a race nobody cares about fastest lap unless it's the final one during a pass for the lead (unsure if that's ever happened but even then, everyone will care about the pass over the lap time). In qualifying, fastest lap is the one and only thing that matters. Why not reward the driver with a bonus point for attaining the sole goal in qualifying? If nothing else it would theoretically improve ratings for those sessions too and I have an idea to spice it up even more...reset track records for this car. Single car qualifying + track records being within reach again every week + bonus point = more exciting qualifying with a somewhat reasonable bonus point, no?
 
Charlie Spencer said:
What's confusing is how a driver can win the race but receive fewer points than the guy who finished 7th. Mind you, It's not the points system itself that's confusing; what's confusing is why anyone would implement a points system with that kind of flaw.
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You are spot on and that is what I was talking about in my post #3 in the Richmond Pre Race thread that started all of this points talk when I said I don't understand having a point system that Elliott would be #1 and Bowman #4 right now. I'm not a fan of the playoff points either.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
As I noted earlier, I think there are already too many ways to earn points. I think starting on the pole and getting first pit stall choice is reward enough. Hopefully the first pre-season non-points race will return to feature only the pole winners; that race and the practice time would be another payoff.

But I'm listening too. Make your case.
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There is no case to be made. I didn't say I wanted it I said it's not a bad idea. I don't have a problem with it just like I don't have a problem with all of the extra activities at the track that like usually do. Heck I thought you were going to have a stroke over the halftime show at the coliseum race. But I'm darn glad you didn't. :)
 
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RacerrecaR said:
Agreed. I am not in favor of more bonus points for any reason (including stage wins) but I feel like a pole sitter bonus point would make more sense TODAY than points for leading the most laps. Here's why..

It isn't uncommon for the driver to lead the most laps and/or have the fastest lap in the race to not be the winner. Those stats add no more to the final results than qualifying order does, thus inferring bonus points for all aforementioned as being largely pointless.

So, why then would I still prefer a pole sitter point bonus? Because in a race nobody cares about fastest lap unless it's the final one during a pass for the lead (unsure if that's ever happened but even then, everyone will care about the pass over the lap time). In qualifying, fastest lap is the one and only thing that matters. Why not reward the driver with a bonus point for attaining the sole goal in qualifying? If nothing else it would theoretically improve ratings for those sessions too and I have an idea to spice it up even more...reset track records for this car. Single car qualifying + track records being within reach again every week + bonus point = more exciting qualifying with a somewhat reasonable bonus point, no?
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I think winning the pole has enough perks as is. You start at the front, choose pit stall first, etc. I don't think you need to reward the pole sitter with a playoff point. It's a bit excessive.

Not rewarding most laps led is a bit puzzling. NASCAR used to do this & it made perfect sense.
 
JJ_14 said:
I think winning the pole has enough perks as is. You start at the front, choose pit stall first, etc. I don't think you need to reward the pole sitter with a playoff point. It's a bit excessive.

Not rewarding most laps led is a bit puzzling. NASCAR used to do this & it made perfect sense.
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Could do away with pole sitter having pit selection and instead award it to the driver who won last race. I just don't see the point in rewarding laps led either - race is about finishing position and nothing else
 
Nitro Dude said:
There is no case to be made. I didn't say I wanted it I said it's not a bad idea. I don't have a problem with it just like I don't have a problem with all of the extra activities at the track that like usually do. Heck I thought you were going to have a stroke over the halftime show at the coliseum race. But I'm darn glad you didn't. :)
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I wasn't having a stroke over the show, it was the concept of a halftime at all, regardless of how they spent it.
 
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I don't want to speak for Charlie, but I don't like making qualifying into something more than it needs to be. I always enjoyed single car qualifying to set the field. I never liked the knockout format, multiple rounds, etc.

Bonus points for sitting on the pole doesn't make sense to me. They already have the reward of pit stall selection, and it's not like anyone out there is sandbagging, so what's the point? It won't add any excitement or drama, and it won't change any team's strategy. It's just giving out points for the sake of giving out points. Unnecessary.
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How about maybe no points for qualifying each week, but a compromise, maybe 1 or 2 playoff points for whoever gets the most poles during the regular season. It still adds the extra incentive some want but doesn't overdo it by giving them weekly etc.
 
hmmm298 said:
How about maybe no points for qualifying each week, but a compromise, maybe 1 or 2 playoff points for whoever gets the most poles during the regular season. It still adds the extra incentive some want but doesn't overdo it by giving them weekly etc.
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Regular season pole award? I'm in
 
Nitro Dude said:
You are spot on and that is what I was talking about in my post #3 in the Richmond Pre Race thread that started all of this points talk when I said I don't understand having a point system that Elliott would be #1 and Bowman #4 right now. I'm not a fan of the playoff points either.
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Funny thing is, if we go by the old school Winston Cup points… Chase is still ahead of Bowman. He wouldn’t be points leader(Ross would) but Chase would be 2nd with 812 points. Bowman 4th with 784. This YouTuber called The Iceberg keeps up with it all season and makes a post after each race. So even without the playoff points and everything else, Chase is still ahead of him.
 
Blaze said:
Funny thing is, if we go by the old school Winston Cup points… Chase is still ahead of Bowman. He wouldn’t be points leader(Ross would) but Chase would be 2nd with 812 points. Bowman 4th with 784. This YouTuber called The Iceberg keeps up with it all season and makes a post after each race. So even without the playoff points and everything else, Chase is still ahead of him.
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eh, hopefully Chase will get a win soon and then it won't irk me anymore. I felt the same way last year when Larson started his winning streak and yet Hamlin was a head of him in points. Maybe I just put to much emphasis on winning. :)
 
Nitro Dude said:
eh, hopefully Chase will get a win soon and then it won't irk me anymore. I felt the same way last year when Larson started his winning streak and yet Hamlin was a head of him in points. Maybe I just put to much emphasis on winning. :)
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Well last year I’m not sure Denny would’ve been the points leader by Winston Cup standards. But Chase being so high in even that version (so no stage points, and I would guess the bonus points that would come with leading laps and such are) shows he’s having a better year. Avg finish of 11.0 compared to Bowman’s 12.7.

Bowman has 1 more win, and 1 more top 5, but Chase has one more top 10. Bowman 2 worst finishes is 24 and 25, Chase’s worst is 26th, but his next worst is an 11th. So all you’re looking at it seems is that one win, and letting that bother you. Chase is having the better season still of the two right now.
 
A bonus would be nice but the races are already gimmicked enough with stages. Stage winning strategies often run counter to race winning strategies. We can't have too many gimmicks mucking up the show. For the record I'm ok with stages but they are enough.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Not throwing a caution at the end of each stage would take care of a lot of that. It would also revive green flag pit stops.

But that's not going to happen.
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This. You can score stages without a yellow, and it would be fantastic. The race runs it's course naturally, and performance AND results are scored.

I absolutely love adding one playoff point for most laps lead. Leading the most laps in a race was a big big big deal.

Who can forget Jimmie and Chad preaching "Maximum points!"

Now, that's just winning each stage and the race which seems near impossible today given the strategy surrounding the stage breaks.

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Charlie Spencer said:
Not throwing a caution at the end of each stage would take care of a lot of that. It would also revive green flag pit stops.

But that's not going to happen.
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This. Stages would be fine if they didn't throw the fabricated cautions. But I think we all know that the big reasons they introduced stages and the associated cautions was so they could get scheduled commercial breaks and bunch up the field. But at the very least they should eliminate the lucky dog at stage cautions.
 
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