12 people killed at a movie theater in Colorado

FlFlash said:
Your looking at it from the opposite angle.

A fire alarm going off would have alerted the employees of the theater who would likely call 911 which would bring Fire Department and Police to the scene. Thats assuming that the fire alarm was not directly connected to the 911 system in that case there would have been an even qiucker response.
No self respecting criminal would want that happening.
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How long do you think it would take any authorities to get there once any type of alarm would have gone off? How long do you think it took for this guy to get all of those shots off? It wouldn't have prevented any of those deaths, or injuries, and for someone to sue somebody over it is just reckless and wrong.
 
Benevolent One said:
How long do you think it would take any authorities to get there once any type of alarm would have gone off? How long do you think it took for this guy to get all of those shots off? It wouldn't have prevented any of those deaths, or injuries, and for someone to sue somebody over it is just reckless and wrong.
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How long do you tihnk it took the gunman to leave the theater, walk to his car, put on his ballistic leggings, vest, throat, groin protection and gas mask, plus gather his weapons, ammunition and tear gas canister and return to the theater? If the door were alarmed theater personnel most certainly would have had time to respond and secure the open emergency door. While I agree that it would be wrong to sue the theater, I suspect that it is not outside the possibility that a lawyer might offer the opportunity of financial compensation to the families of the victims.
 
My son went to the movies last night. I aksed, and he said the emergency exits ie fire doors are marked and have a warning that the alarm will sound if opened. I know the doors in the back of Lowe's have similar warnings. Wonder why the alarm didn't sound there?
Flash, last I knew it was illegal to have a weapon capable of full auto, have things changed? I know there are conversion kits available no questions asked.
Back to someone who had a carry permit. Forget it was a darken theater, forget the panic, don't forget this guy was a moving target in body armour. Most people carry a 9mm or less for ease of carrying. Not much good in this case.

FWIW Since the station fire here a lot of new laws were passed in a knee jerk fashion, maybe that's why fire doors here are alarmed.
 
Bad timing EW.

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Are you guys seriously saying that the police should respond every time a kid sneaks into a theater? How many times would other people in need, or danger, have their help delayed while this happened? Yes, in this case it could have saved countless lives, although maybe not depending on how long it took to respond. Also, do you think that police officers would answer these alarms prepared for a guy in full riot gear shooting people? It's understandable that people are looking for answers, or people (or guns) to blame, but in this case there is no one, or nothing, to blame but the guy who did the shooting.

Or are you saying that he didn't, or couldn't, open the emergency door in full riot gear?
 
Benevolent One said:
How long do you think it would take any authorities to get there once any type of alarm would have gone off? How long do you think it took for this guy to get all of those shots off? It wouldn't have prevented any of those deaths, or injuries, and for someone to sue somebody over it is just reckless and wrong.
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Your missing my point. He would Not have used the Emergency door if he knew an alarm would go off. So he must have disabled it prior to this event.
 
FlFlash said:
Your missing my point. He would Not have used the Emergency door if he knew an alarm would go off. So he must have disabled it prior to this event.
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Do you really believe that an alarm would have prevented him from doing what he did?
 
BobbyFord said:
I wonder how long it'll take for someone to sue the theater for not having an alarm on the emergency exit door...
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FlFlash said:
I have wondered about there not being an alarm on the Emergency Door it's my understanding that is is required by Fire Code in all public buildings and business's.

Maybe while caseing the theater in advance this guy disabeld the alarm?
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No where did I say the alarm would stop him from commiting this crime, my comment ( which was a reply to what BF said ) was about the fact that the alarm did not go off and that I felt he must have disabled it prviousley.

Can we move on now?
 
I don't know if it would have helped or not. A few extra seconds maybe? Please excuse my back, I'm tired of pizzing into the wind.:)
 
SST55 said:
Flash, last I knew it was illegal to have a weapon capable of full auto, have things changed? I know there are conversion kits available no questions asked.
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It's not illegal to own an automatic weapon it just requires a Federal License which reqiures many stipulations, check the National Firearms Act of 1934. The Sale of automatic weapons is Very regulated you'll find information on that in NFA 1934.

I am extremely interested in how this person aqiured a fully automatic weapon "Assault Rifle"? It appears that he acuatlly may have had a M-15 Non-Full Automatic probably a Colt knockoff or something like a Armalite M-15 A4 chambered in .223 it's considered a Varmit Hunting rifle but is Semi-Automatic not Full-Automatic.

BTW. I am a firearm collector and target shooting enthusiast. I own one Full Automatic weapon in my collection, it's a mechanicaly disabled M-16 that was once carried by a Marine serving in Vietnam, I have full documentation on it and it carries great value to me.
I do not think ANYONE needs a full automatic weapon.
 
FlFlash said:
It's not illegal to own an automatic weapon it just requires a Federal License which reqiures many stipulations, check the National Firearms Act of 1934. The Sale of automatic weapons is Very regulated you'll find information on that in NFA 1934.

I am extremely interested in how this person aqiured a fully automatic weapon "Assault Rifle"? It appears that he acuatlly may have had a M-15 Non-Full Automatic probably a Colt knockoff or something like a Armalite M-15 A4 chambered in .223 it's considered a Varmit Hunting rifle but is Semi-Automatic not Full-Automatic.

BTW. I am a firearm collector and target shooting enthusiast. I own one Full Automatic weapon in my collection, it's a mechanicaly disabled M-16 that was once carried by a Marine serving in Vietnam, I have full documentation on it and it carries great value to me.
I do not think ANYONE needs a full automatic weapon.
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I am an avid hunter and also have a gun collection that is mostly vintage and antique military and civilian firearms which includes several semi automatic and pump guns and one M-14 that I carried as a Marine while serving in Vietnam that has also been mechanicaly disabled which was a requirement when I requested to purchase it when I was being processed out of the marines. In the 60s if you went through the correct channels and chain of command and were of a certain rank this was possible. I turned it in to the armory when I got stateside and picked it up disabled before being discharged. A certain part, which will remain unnamed, in the trigger housing group has been disfigured beyond repair. When I carried it the selector switch was always on semi auto because there was little if any need for a personal full auto firearm. The reason I am being this specific is to show that NO CIVILIAN ON THE DAMN PLANET NEEDS A FULL AUTOMATIC WEAPON, PERIOD.
 
I don't know much about this theater, but try sneaking into most theaters. They have like many other public buildings doors that can only be opened from the inside and locked from the outside. And most I have seen have an alarm to notified someone that the door is open. I would imagine that considering the location of his car and the time it took him to gather all his weapons their would have been ample time for one of the employees to investigate the open door. He surely would have had to prop it open in order to reenter.But this is just my speculation and I don't know all the facts.
 
dirtguru said:
I don't know much about this theater, but try sneaking into most theaters. They have like many other public buildings doors that can only be opened from the inside and locked from the outside. And most I have seen have an alarm to notified someone that the door is open. I would imagine that considering the location of his car and the time it took him to gather all his weapons their would have been ample time for one of the employees to investigate the open door. He surely would have had to prop it open in order to reenter.But this is just my speculation and I don't know all the facts.
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Or somebody on the inside to open it for him????????We may not know everything just yet.
 
I always use the emergency exits to leave the theater to beat the crowd out to my car. it's much closer if you parked right there. not every theater has an alarm on them. I would say that the alarm wouldn't have made it as easy for him. I don't think it would have been an option if there was an alarm on it. he may or may not have found another way. who knows.
and to say that Obama is only coming to visit the victims families and friends for re-election purposes is horrible! can you not see the good in the man? just because you think he isn't the greatest President does not mean that he is not a good hearted person. You only see what the media fills your head with. People don't realize that the President isn't responsible for everything, the Congress is too & the people you elect in your local areas over and over again.
 
bigjohn12 said:
I always use the emergency exits to leave the theater to beat the crowd out to my car. it's much closer if you parked right there. not every theater has an alarm on them. I would say that the alarm wouldn't have made it as easy for him. I don't think it would have been an option if there was an alarm on it. he may or may not have found another way. who knows.
and to say that Obama is only coming to visit the victims families and friends for re-election purposes is horrible! can you not see the good in the man? just because you think he isn't the greatest President does not mean that he is not a good hearted person. You only see what the media fills your head with. People don't realize that the President isn't responsible for everything, the Congress is too & the people you elect in your local areas over and over again.
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I wrote this above [ If he really is sincere he would slip in and visit them without the "MEDIA" circus, speeches and all of which I would interpret as disrespect if I were involved. This is not a party line issue as far as I am concerned but how it should be handled by anybody. How would you like a local politician coming to a wake or service for a relative of yours and make speeches and campaign for dog catcher. This is my opinion, pick it apart if you will but it will remain as my opinion. ] I stand by this, if a person is sincere then no cameras, no microphones and no crowds. Get in express condolences then get out and let them grieve.
 
Johali said:
I wrote this above [ If he really is sincere he would slip in and visit them without the "MEDIA" circus, speeches and all of which I would interpret as disrespect if I were involved. This is not a party line issue as far as I am concerned but how it should be handled by anybody. How would you like a local politician coming to a wake or service for a relative of yours and make speeches and campaign for dog catcher. This is my opinion, pick it apart if you will but it will remain as my opinion. ] I stand by this, if a person is sincere then no cameras, no microphones and no crowds. Get in express condolences then get out and let them grieve.
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Then no politician ever has been sincere.
 
From what I've been reading the rifle that he used was a semi automatic.

The gunman began the attack by tossing tear gas canisters into the theater, then firing his 12-gauge shotgun at the ceiling before turning it on the crowd.

Other details, according to the source:

-- At some point, the gunman transitioned to his other weapons, a .40 Glock pistol and a .223 Smith & Wesson M&P semi-automatic.

-- The shooter had purchased an after-market high-capacity drum clip for the semi-automatic, the source said. Although it gave him the capacity to fire perhaps 100 rounds, it was of inferior quality and might be the reason the shooter's gun jammed. Authorities found live .223 ammunition on the theater floor, possibly resulting from him yanking off the drum to try to clear the jam, or possibly from a "catastrophic failure" of the drum's feed mechanism.

-- The .223 rounds he was firing were armor-piercing.

-- After the gun jammed, the gunman walked out of the theater through the door he'd entered and was removing his body armor beside his car when he was confronted by the officers who took him down, the source said, adding that the gunman seemed surprised authorities arrived so quickly.
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From here.
 
how is the President supposed to secretly visit them? He's the President! It eventually would have leaked out to the media. He only went to visit the families, he didnt go to the gathering that night. The media knows every move that he makes.
 
BobbyFord said:
It's election time. That's why Obama responded to Colorado so quickly. Gulf oil spill; not so much.
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Yup, just like w was Johnny on the spot getting to New Orleans after Katrina. But he did fly over heading to DC after a strenuous brush clearing, falling off his bicycle vacation...
 
SST55 said:
Yup, just like w was Johnny on the spot getting to New Orleans after Katrina. But he did fly over heading to DC after a strenuous brush clearing, falling off his bicycle vacation...
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So you admit that our previous and current dip****s are alike. We're finally making progress here in The Podium :)
*Edit: My bad, this isn't in The Podium...yet.
 
Out of respect, I'd think that politics and the blame games that accompany them would be kept out of this thread.
 
I was up the mountain from Lyons, Colorado when this happened. I spent from last Thursday till Monday night out there. Lyons is and hour and half from Denver. So not to far from.where this happened. Had no idea till I woke up the next morning.
 
SST55 said:
I have guns, I believe in the 2nd amendment but nobody needs a AK-47/ M-16 or any of it's variants. While you might meet the age requirement and have a clean background you can be freakin' nutz and buy a gun. There has to be a better way.
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I disagree, I love shooting sks and ak-47 just a fun gun. I'd love to have one but they have just got so high and so has ammo over the last few years. 10 years a go a brick of. 22 was like $10 now its around $25. Can't afford my 9mm very softer either. Just got so high to shoot.
 
Lap3Forever said:
I disagree, I love shooting sks and ak-47 just a fun gun. I'd love to have one but they have just got so high and so has ammo over the last few years. 10 years a go a brick of. 22 was like $10 now its around $25. Can't afford my 9mm very softer either. Just got so high to shoot.
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Join the Army, they'll give you your own personel AR-15 or a varient of and all the ammo you want,,free too. A AK-47 is not a "fun gun", it's a weapon designed to kill. It's not a lot of fun when one is firing and pointed at you.

Not specifically directed to you Lappy but I find it strange and sickening so many enjoy owning and firing a weapon that has killed tens of thousands of our troops over the years.:(
 
Benevolent One said:
It's not a matter of need, it's a matter of legal right. I know gun collectors who have a lot more guns than that and they have never been a threat to anyone.
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Just because you CAN do something doesn't mean you should. Personally, I think people who waste thousands of dollars buying dozens of guns 'because they can' are idiots. Oh, and there's a difference between people who collect guns with no intention of using them and people who buy dozens of guns and then go on the internet and buy thousands of rounds of ammo. Buying ammo for the gun means you've got intent to use it.

And, this is for Nick, I think rednecks that go around and shoot AK-47s and rifles around for fun 'because they can' are also idiots, but it's a matter of taste.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Just because you CAN do something doesn't mean you should. Personally, I think people who waste thousands of dollars buying dozens of guns 'because they can' are idiots. Oh, and there's a difference between people who collect guns with no intention of using them and people who buy dozens of guns and then go on the internet and buy thousands of rounds of ammo. Buying ammo for the gun means you've got intent to use it.

And, this is for Nick, I think rednecks that go around and shoot AK-47s and rifles around for fun 'because they can' are also idiots, but it's a matter of taste.
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I'd have to agree with your opening sentence completely. I've said it many times, but never in regard to this subject. Many gun collectors love to shoot their guns. It is a fun hobby and a great stress reliever. I don't shoot nearly as often as I used to and I am down to one gun myself.

It's nice that you've reached the same conclusion about them that they would undoubtedly reach about you after a minute or so of conversation. And so you know, guns can be a really good investment. There are few things that you can buy, enjoy for a while, and then sell it for as much, if not more, as you paid for it.What is idiotic about that?
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Just because you CAN do something doesn't mean you should. Personally, I think people who waste thousands of dollars buying dozens of guns 'because they can' are idiots. Oh, and there's a difference between people who collect guns with no intention of using them and people who buy dozens of guns and then go on the internet and buy thousands of rounds of ammo. Buying ammo for the gun means you've got intent to use it.

And, this is for Nick, I think rednecks that go around and shoot AK-47s and rifles around for fun 'because they can' are also idiots, but it's a matter of taste.
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I'm guessing some people forgot what they learned in the AJ thread?????????????????????????
 
Benevolent One said:
I'd have to agree with your opening sentence completely. I've said it many times, but never in regard to this subject. Many gun collectors love to shoot their guns. It is a fun hobby and a great stress reliever. I don't shoot nearly as often as I used to and I am down to one gun myself.

It's nice that you've reached the same conclusion about them that they would undoubtedly reach about you after a minute or so of conversation. And so you know, guns can be a really good investment. There are few things that you can buy, enjoy for a while, and then sell it for as much, if not more, as you paid for it.What is idiotic about that?
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But again, just because you CAN do something doesn't mean you should.
 
Hey Andy! Here ya go! :)

One of the guns is an old shotgun that will never be fired again. Been in.the family for ever.

I just like guns and enjoy to shoot.
 

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