18 team penalized for loose wheel

Biggreen695 said:
NASCAR is sticking to there rule book. Somebody wanna tell me how in the hell theyre being inconsistent? You guys bitch about anything....


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I know I have no problem with Nascar's new mandate of applying the rules to the letter as long as they don't deviate from it However there are drawbacks to seeing things in only black and white as reason goes out the window.

The next time I see a kid that has fallen off a bike I will make sure not to jaywalk in order to render faster assistance.

I believe they still have a law in Flint Michigan that says you cannot wear sagging pants and doing so can gitcha 90 days in jail and a hundred buck fine. Expose part of your buttock (including plumbers crack) and that is indecent exposure. The irony is that cops like perps in saggy pants as they can run in them.
 
A loose wheel is a loose wheel. If you start taking "intent" into the equation, just how do you judge "intent"?
Yes, I agree it was a harsh penalty for a mistake, but the rule, as written , was violated. Maybe NASCAR will re-visit
that rule and re-write it.
 
TexasRaceLady said:
A loose wheel is a loose wheel. If you start taking "intent" into the equation, just how do you judge "intent"?
Yes, I agree it was a harsh penalty for a mistake, but the rule, as written , was violated. Maybe NASCAR will re-visit
that rule and re-write it.
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Leave it alone.
 
TexasRaceLady said:
A loose wheel is a loose wheel. If you start taking "intent" into the equation, just how do you judge "intent"?
Yes, I agree it was a harsh penalty for a mistake, but the rule, as written , was violated. Maybe NASCAR will re-visit
that rule and re-write it.
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Definitely.

The rule is written without any leeway - Nascar had to enforce it. They should probably revise it to include a lesser penalty (maybe one race) when "evidence clearly demonstrates" that the team made full effort to get the wheel on but it came off due to error or part failure.
 
I agree, in both cases this was closer to an uncontrolled tire penalty IMO. That fits the crime closer to what both teams got charged with IMO. But Nascar for now anyway was in a box and had to enforce what was on the books. Off wif fer heads arrg
 
Biggreen695 said:
"NASCAR CHANGES RULES TOO
MUCH! TOO MANY GRAY AREAS! NO WONDER SO MANY FANS LEAVE!"

*nascar sticks to the rule book*

"THOSE BASTARDS! NO WONDER THEY LOSE FANS!"
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Change in policy can be a slap from some perspectives and nascar will be criticized for it. They might be doing the right thing and they might be leaving to little wiggle room. Its called growing pains. If they keep it one way a lot will take care of itself.
 
Skoalbandit33 said:
Don't get me started. JLo is is on track with dragging a projectile around while actively trying to dislodge it and that ain't nothin but a lil thang. Kyle's team makes a rare miscue during a pit stop and the world is ending. Nascar has no integrity but we already knew that.
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kyle18fan said:
Who knew ?
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Skoalbandit33 said:
Technically the 22 team got a penalty but it had zero impact so for all practical purposes there was no penalty. When you watch a stick and ball sport some officials call a really tight game while others let a lot go but the most important thing is consistency. If Nascar wants to follow all of its rules to the letter I am fine with it but we know they won't.
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You can't blame NASCAR because of a timely caution and wave around. Please. There's plenty of examples of NASCARs inconsistency but this isn't one of them.
 
The 18 team is consistently tries to get around the rules in this case trying to shave a couple of seconds by not fully tightening lugs warrants a strong response from nascar
 
Bill Tetley said:
The 18 team is consistently tries to get around the rules in this case trying to shave a couple of seconds by not fully tightening lugs warrants a strong response from nascar
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If that's the case, I agree with you. Safety of spectators and contestants first.
 
Bill Tetley said:
The 18 team is consistently tries to get around the rules in this case trying to shave a couple of seconds by not fully tightening lugs warrants a strong response from nascar
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This has absolutely nothing to do with what happened during that stop.

Name a race team that is not consistently looking for ways to shade the rules.
 
kymartin6 said:
The 18 team screwed up...... they lost the gamble,........ no need for anyone to whine and complain...... the jackman dropped the jack early.......

you win as a team and lose as a team........
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But that's not what happened , the air gun got put into reverse instead of forward, the jackman dropped the car at the moment he should of, it was also pointed out that he was looking at the rear tire changer , so he was not aware that anything was wrong.

I could wrong, but that is how I am understanding what happened and what the talking heads pointed out.
 
Bill Tetley said:
The 18 team is consistently tries to get around the rules in this case trying to shave a couple of seconds by not fully tightening lugs warrants a strong response from nascar
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You honestly have no idea what happened do you?, did you even watch the race? o, the lug nuts where never put on, because the air gun position got changed in the middle of the pit stop, so instead of it tightening the nuts, it was taking them off, yeah, I am always seeing the #18 team taking the nuts off every race to save time on pit road.
 
So here is what I'm reading in this thread...

-- Nascar's integrity needs to be improved, therefore
-- They should make up new rules mid-race to further penalize the 22
-- And they should ignore the rules they have re the 18
-- Race fans should leave this forum because some stick & ball guys don't like 'em.

Nascar is so confusing..:mad:
 
LewTheShoe said:
So here is what I'm reading in this thread...

-- Nascar's integrity needs to be improved, therefore
-- They should make up new rules mid-race to further penalize the 22
-- And they should ignore the rules they have re the 18
-- Race fans should leave this forum because some stick & ball guys don't like 'em.

Nascar is so confusing..:mad:
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Right?!

Seems people don't realize that a tire is part of the car and a jack is not.

Best part is that this is finally NASCAR being consistent with the rules and yet they still complain.
 
LewTheShoe said:
So here is what I'm reading in this thread...

-- Nascar's integrity needs to be improved, therefore
-- They should make up new rules mid-race to further penalize the 22
-- And they should ignore the rules they have re the 18
-- Race fans should leave this forum because some stick & ball guys don't like 'em.

Nascar is so confusing..:mad:
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"F NASCAR they change the rules too much and aren't consistent enough"

"F NASCAR they need to change the rules"


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Bill Tetley said:
The 18 team is consistently tries to get around the rules in this case trying to shave a couple of seconds by not fully tightening lugs warrants a strong response from nascar
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ho boy it really gets tough to do when the gun is set on loosen. :D
 
Whether one likes the way the rules were applied to the 18 team or not is inconsequential providing Nascar calls all their rules the same way. Call everything by the letter of the law and everyone knows what to expect and there should no exceptions or mitigating circumstances allowed in the discussion. This will be fun!

Wins should be stripped away and cars parked unless the rough driving statute has been changed, fines should be levied for making disparaging remarks ("I can't wait to get to a real race") toward Nascar, the fans and the media and teams need to be dealt with for intentionally causing damage to other cars under the yellow flag. There should be no appeal process as if Nascar determines a rule has been broken the penalty should be meted out immediately.

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jws926 said:
But that's not what happened , the air gun got put into reverse instead of forward, the jackman dropped the car at the moment he should of, it was also pointed out that he was looking at the rear tire changer , so he was not aware that anything was wrong.

I could wrong, but that is how I am understanding what happened and what the talking heads pointed out.
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No matter what happened ....or who caused it..... the 18 team screwed up...... as a team....... no 1 person..... a team is a team...... you work as a team ....... when you win.... you win as a team..... when you lose..... you lose as a team....... When Kyle wins..... it's not always ''him''...... his crew has a tremendous amount of effect...... I have very seldom heard him mention the guys behind the scene..... It's mostly about Kyle...... win.... it's him.... lose..... it's someone elses fault....
 
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