2.7. Jeff Gordon or Dale Earnhardt Sr. the greatest sprint cup driver polls continue

Name* Wins* Cup Championships* Win Percentage.

  • Gordon, Jeff* 85* 4* 13.02%

    Votes: 16 40.0%
  • Earnhardt, Dale Sr.* 76* 7* 11.24%

    Votes: 24 60.0%

  • Total voters
    40
  • Poll closed .

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Name* Wins* Cup Championships* Win Percentage.


Gordon, Jeff* 85* 4* 13.02%
Earnhardt, Dale Sr.* 76* 7* 11.24



Round two of the unofficial unauthorized greatest Sprint Cup driver ever polls.


The Round Two polls will be open for five days. 3 regular days + 2 Holidays to allow voters plenty of time.

Round three will consist of the 8 winners from this round.

The ranking order for round three will be, set by the vote counts from this round.
1st- Tiebreaker percentage of votes
2nd- Tiebreaker the original ranking order.
 
Had to go with Sr . I think even Jeff would admit to following in his footsteps.
 
There's 2 things that must haunt Jeff. What if Ray stayed with him, and what if Jeff didn't help finance JJ's career.
 
There's 2 things that must haunt Jeff. What if Ray stayed with him, and what if Jeff didn't help finance JJ's career.

hard to question the finance part when he's cashing those checks from JJ winning championships.
 
not that difficult a choice...

7 championships to 4.

avg starting postion:
earnhardt: 12.9
gordon: 10.2

avg. finish position:
earnhardt: 11.2
gordon: 12.4

one driver went forward. the other went backwards.:D
 
3 to 1? I really thought this one would be much closer than that? I voted for Earnhardt though with out him and his characteristic driveing style in the 80's NASCAR would not become what it did in the 90's.
 
I voted for Earnhardt, I will just say he is in my top 3 list of greatest drivers.


Again I regret this match-up in the final 16, and would have preferred a final 8 set up. If we ever repeat this process, I will handle the seeding process differently, in hopes of keeping the best for last.
I am trying to run the polls as free of bias as possible.


But, back in the 90's when Gordon was dominant and ripping up everybody including Dale, I wasn't in Jeff's camp. Dale was my driver. Just trying to be respectfully candid.


But, I do apologize to Gordon fans, he is way better than 9 to 16th and one of the elite greats. The 3 to 1 ratio surprises me too, but this thing has 4 more days, it ain't over yet.


If the trends stay intact, a Gordon verses Stewart poll (just for grins among the eliminated) may be offered next week.



I know this poll thing has it's faults. If I may say I think all of the 48 are great divers, hopefully the polls helps us to respect them all.


Some of the polls have respected the eliminated, like Fireball, Buck Baker, and Davey Allison.

In the round I hope its true for these two, as well the Cale and Tony cases.
 
not that difficult a choice...

7 championships to 4.

avg starting postion:
earnhardt: 12.9
gordon: 10.2

avg. finish position:
earnhardt: 11.2
gordon: 12.4

one driver went forward. the other went backwards.:D

I suppose you give no count to the championship system in which Earnhardt won 7 Gordon would now be at 6 along with 85 wins versus 76, or the fact that Gordon won three of his four championships while Earnhardt was still racing and was suppose to be "chasing his 8th"....I think it is way closer than you give it credit for ;)

I am not surprised that Dale is in the lead, I would vote for him over anyone but Jeff...but I admittedly have some bias in there I am sure lol
 
Would'nt it be great to adjust time just once and see All these driver's at Their Prime, in the Best Equipment possible at a Really Tuff, Cool track like say... Darlington! Hundred lapper Boys give it Hell!!!

WoooHoooo! now that'd settle some arguements ;)
 
It won't matter who Dale is matched with. Some folks would choose him over Jesus... :rolleyes:
 
It won't matter who Dale is matched with. Some folks would choose him over Jesus... :rolleyes:

^ This.

Especially considering that many Big E fans loathe Kryle Busch and think he's an a**hole. Earnhardt was an even bigger a**hole on and off the track and if Kyle had a mustache, drove a black car and wore goofy looking goggles, he'd be worshiped by NASCAR Nation. I'm so sick of how people have a short memory in regards to Earnhardt. Wheelman and one of the best drivers ever (not better than Gordon) but a grade A ass.
 
^ This.

Especially considering that many Big E fans loathe Kryle Busch and think he's an a**hole. Earnhardt was an even bigger a**hole on and off the track and if Kyle had a mustache, drove a black car and wore goofy looking goggles, he'd be worshiped by NASCAR Nation. I'm so sick of how people have a short memory in regards to Earnhardt. Wheelman and one of the best drivers ever (not better than Gordon) but a grade A ass.

I agree Andy . And while a lot of safety innovations were brought in after his death , as I recall he was against things like the full face helmet . The reason though.. that I had to vote for him.. was that he was more than a driver , like Richard Petty ..a game changer . Jeff Gordon and now Jimmy Johnson are truly incredible drivers , but I don't see them as game changers. I think that Kyle has that potential someday.I remember one time walking out of a track and trying to cross an access road .Fans couldn't get accross because a black van was right up against the bumper of the car in front. The crowd had to change direction and find another way accross , someone yelled 'that's that ass**** Earnhardt' and everyone booed .
 
I agree Andy . And while a lot of safety innovations were brought in after his death , as I recall he was against things like the full face helmet . The reason though.. that I had to vote for him.. was that he was more than a driver , like Richard Petty ..a game changer . Jeff Gordon and now Jimmy Johnson are truly incredible drivers , but I don't see them as game changers. I think that Kyle has that potential someday.I remember one time walking out of a track and trying to cross an access road .Fans couldn't get accross because a black van was right up against the bumper of the car in front. The crowd had to change direction and find another way accross , someone yelled 'that's that ass**** Earnhardt' and everyone booed .

I disagree. Jeff Gordon is a game changer. Sure, NASCAR became more popular because of Petty and Big E, but Gordon was a game changer in the 90s as well. Gordon brought in a lot of new fans from totally different markets and demographics... brought mainstream media attention in a way Earnhardt couldn't.
 
It won't matter who Dale is matched with. Some folks would choose him over Jesus... :rolleyes:

and some would choose andy lally over dale.

what both gordon and earnhardt did was win championships while stirring passions from both new and old fans alike. both great drivers and great for the sport.

for this thread though, it's just that dale is better than jeff:D
 
What is interesting about Dale Sr. is that people who really knew him think that his off-track persona was in direct contrast to the entitled a-hole he was on the track.

To many, he was a caring, friendly, generous person. And he was a great driver, there is no doubt about that.
 
^ This.

Especially considering that many Big E fans loathe Kryle Busch and think he's an a**hole. Earnhardt was an even bigger a**hole on and off the track and if Kyle had a mustache, drove a black car and wore goofy looking goggles, he'd be worshiped by NASCAR Nation. I'm so sick of how people have a short memory in regards to Earnhardt. Wheelman and one of the best drivers ever (not better than Gordon) but a grade A ass.

Your insanity knows no bounds.
 
Your insanity knows no bounds.


Very true, we have had 24 (no pun intended) related threads, on topics that had a lot of potential to get folks riled up.
We went through a spirited thread that took out both Busch brothers, and it remained respectful.


Look Andy you can hate Earnhardt different strokes for Different folks, it is a free world.
But please stop trying to turn this into a Jerry Springer show.


Get a grip.


Dale wasn't perfect, I could site some of his personal short comings. But please drop the "a**hole" line, which also says a lot about you.

If you can't figure it out try watching a three stooges food fight, to see what you are doing.

You fling a few "assholes",
Then eventually a Dale fan hurls a Gordon insult.
Your agenda is clear, please stop it and try to act like you have the conscience you profess to have.


Fault Dale as you wish, he has his flaws. Just please layoff the thread wrecking "assholes" maneuvers.



Thank you.
 
Very true, we have had 24 (no pun intended) related threads, on topics that had a lot of potential to get folks riled up.
We went through a spirited thread that took out both Busch brothers, and it remained respectful.


Look Andy you can hate Earnhardt different strokes for Different folks, it is a free world.
But please stop trying to turn this into a Jerry Springer show.


Get a grip.


Dale wasn't perfect, I could site some of his personal short comings. But please drop the "a**hole" line, which also says a lot about you.

If you can't figure it out try watching a three stooges food fight, to see what you are doing.

You fling a few "assholes",
Then eventually a Dale fan hurls a Gordon insult.
Your agenda is clear, please stop it and try to act like you have the conscience you profess to have.


Fault Dale as you wish, he has his flaws. Just please layoff the thread wrecking "assholes" maneuvers.



Thank you.

Great post Greg and even though I violated my own rule I will share the rule with you. The best way to get rid of a troll like Andy is to ignore the troll. I was trying for a while but this thread made me violate my own rule. I think it would be awesome if from here on out we ALL ignored Andy. Are you with me?
 
Great post Greg and even though I violated my own rule I will share the rule with you. The best way to get rid of a troll like Andy is to ignore the troll. I was trying for a while but this thread made me violate my own rule. I think it would be awesome if from here on out we ALL ignored Andy. Are you with me?

King, I will try the spirit is willing, the flesh is weak.


But this time, I wanted to derail a derail, or prevent the fishing for a food fight.
 
Well, it looks like Senior is headed to round 3 so it will be interesting to see what happens then!

I have a guess...
 
Your insanity knows no bounds.

Got a bandanna on over there, internet tough guy?
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Very true, we have had 24 (no pun intended) related threads, on topics that had a lot of potential to get folks riled up.
We went through a spirited thread that took out both Busch brothers, and it remained respectful.


Look Andy you can hate Earnhardt different strokes for Different folks, it is a free world.
But please stop trying to turn this into a Jerry Springer show.


Get a grip.


Dale wasn't perfect, I could site some of his personal short comings. But please drop the "a**hole" line, which also says a lot about you.

If you can't figure it out try watching a three stooges food fight, to see what you are doing.

You fling a few "assholes",
Then eventually a Dale fan hurls a Gordon insult.
Your agenda is clear, please stop it and try to act like you have the conscience you profess to have.


Fault Dale as you wish, he has his flaws. Just please layoff the thread wrecking "assholes" maneuvers.



Thank you.

^ And for tonight's nightly "Everyone on this site is allowed to have an opinion except Andy" post. :rolleyes:

It takes a whole hell of a lot more talent to pass someone clean than to wreck them. I leave all the other crap out of it because Dale Earnhardt worship (which most of his fans think we should be required to do) is vomit inducing.
 
Got a bandanna on over there, internet tough guy?
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^ And for tonight's nightly "Everyone on this site is allowed to have an opinion except Andy" post. :rolleyes:

It takes a whole hell of a lot more talent to pass someone clean than to wreck them. I leave all the other crap out of it because Dale Earnhardt worship (which most of his fans think we should be required to do) is vomit inducing.


Same old drama queen crap.

Have any opinion you like of Dale, and if Jeff wins the poll or Dales wins the poll; it is no big deal to me. This is just a way to see what most people think, but hopefully in non idiotic language.

“a**hole” is inarticulate and doesn’t add one once of useful information, while it does attempt to start the food fight. I only requested a little respect for the threads nothing more and I think you are intelligent enough to know that.

If you want to define Gordon as a better person and having qualities that carry-over to a greater driving record, I will be happy to hear the case.

Just screaming barbaric terms won’t do anything but provoke a series of melt downs, insults and killing what has been a fun little contest so far. I can only believe that is your goal, and I can’t stop you, all I can do is try to expose you.



Instead:

How about reminding folks of Earnhardt’s two episodes with Terry Labonte at Bristol, or the two with Rudd at Wilkesboro? After the Rudd episode he said something like I hope they fine that S.O.B. over the air.

Dale also had that Alpha attitude that he owned the track, I have never tried to portray him as a saint, or tried to make folks think that Dale was a saint. He was even marketed as less “the intimidator” and “the man in black” referred to more than the car color. It may have initiated with the color, but there was a sinister tone, and I think he enjoyed playing the loved villain.


On the track he didn’t cut many breaks, when leading he would fight you tooth and nail to not to let you beat him back to the caution. He didn’t like having a teammate, because it was his team, and his track, just to name a few things.
A person would need to be blind to have missed the way he raced, and he didn’t try too hard to conceal his approach, it was obvious.

But don’t try and tell me he didn’t have exceptional talent, or that he wrecked everyone in an absolute sense. Comparing his talent to Gordon is subjective and if you believe Gordon is better no problem, after all he is one of the greats.

I just wish you would try to at least try to act like you don’t want to ruin these polls.

I know you get the point, but are you decent enough to respect it is another matter.
 
Sure am glad to see that the cub reporter is able to stay so unbiased. Oh well, I'd expect nothing less. ;)
 
^ This.

Especially considering that many Big E fans loathe Kryle Busch and think he's an a**hole. Earnhardt was an even bigger a**hole on and off the track and if Kyle had a mustache, drove a black car and wore goofy looking goggles, he'd be worshiped by NASCAR Nation. I'm so sick of how people have a short memory in regards to Earnhardt. Wheelman and one of the best drivers ever (not better than Gordon) but a grade A ass.

so you knew DE personally did you ?
 
I really like Jeff Gordon. He is my favorite driver. But, I'd have to admit that Dale Sr had a better career when you look at 7 championship to 4. Admittedly, if The Chase wasn't concocted when it was he may have another championship or two. But, that isn't the point. Dale Sr is the second best driver ever, in my opinion, right behind Richard Petty.
 
Personaly I beleive that if The Chase was around during Dales formitive years he would have surpased 7 Championships with ease. Much like The Chase fit Tony's Style this year The Chase would have been a Perfect Fit for Earnhardt. The Man knew how to hang it out when it all counted.
If you care to argue the point just Look back over his early years.....The Man plain sucked as a "Points Racer".

BTW, I'm not slammin JG or any other driver I respect them all.
 
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