2014's new Chase Format ---Revisited-- pros / cons

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lots of opinions all year......long before checkers flew at homestead finale.

we actually have 1 year's history to look back at now.........not speculation.

what are your current opinions ?
 
It couldn't have be more theatrical . The 'roller derby ' of auto racing.
 
Why even bother with this thread? The answers will simply be the same. It was kind of nice to get a break from all the 'I hate the Chase' banter but I guess that time has come and gone. :(
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Why even bother with this thread? The answers will simply be the same. It was kind of nice to get a break from all the 'I hate the Chase' banter but I guess that time has come and gone. :(
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So I wont say "I hate the chase" ................................ even though I do :booya:
 
Pros: made the racing better, prevented a runaway points leader, created a lot of drama at the end of the season.

Cons: further de-legitimized the championship, made some of the mid-season races seem unimportant since most summer races were won by drivers that were already locked in.
 
ToyYoda said:
Pros: ........ prevented a runaway points leader, created a lot of drama at the end of the season.
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That's a pro ? How'd you like them to institute that in the local bowling league ? No matter how good your team is , every other team that shows up has an equal shot at the championship. Think about it , there will never be another great team , another runaway champion . There will only be champions who got hot in the final race. Sorry DPK ,but that's one fan's opinion . No doubt Daytona is sold out already .
 
ToyYoda said:
Pros: made the racing better, prevented a runaway points leader, created a lot of drama at the end of the season.

Cons: further de-legitimized the championship, made some of the mid-season races seem unimportant since most summer races were won by drivers that were already locked in.
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nice pro / con opinion.........per thread title.
 
Pros: During the "regular season" I was excited. The "win and you're in" worked, I have to say, reluctantly.

Cons: All of that **** was nullified later in the year. Resulting in the most convoluted clusterphuck ever.
 
DUN24 said:
Pros: During the "regular season" I was excited. The "win and you're in" worked, I have to say, reluctantly.

Cons: All of that sh!t was nullified later in the year. Resulting in the most convoluted clusterphuck ever.
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Was "bad Brad" somehow involved in the creation of the "con" category ? :oops:
 
NASCAR needs to find a way to make the regular season wins count beyond the first round. I can win 10 races in the regular season and it really only guarantees me (provided I don't really screw up) a spot in the 2nd round. However, once the 2nd round starts, my 10 wins are meaningless.
 
The Nature Boy said:
NASCAR needs to find a way to make the regular season wins count beyond the first round. I can win 10 races in the regular season and it really only guarantees me (provided I don't really screw up) a spot in the 2nd round. However, once the 2nd round starts, my 10 wins are meaningless.
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Simple solution. Bonus points carry through rounds 2-3, not being wiped clean until Homestead.
 
Simple Solution: a staggered points system that doesn't reset every couple weeks.
 
I don't think this years chase will get repeated. Ryan Newman showed that consistency still is worth more
than wins except at Homestead. One little miscue by Havick's team and Newman is the champion without a win.

One smart move by JG and he makes it into the final 4.
Many drivers and teams will go over this chase and see how best to make the odds in their favor.
 
I wouldn't change a thing. The regular season decides a playoff field. The playoff field decides a champion. It doesn't need to be more complicated than that.
ted@economy said:
That's a pro ? How'd you like them to institute that in the local bowling league ? No matter how good your team is , every other team that shows up has an equal shot at the championship. Think about it , there will never be another great team , another runaway champion . There will only be champions who got hot in the final race. Sorry DPK ,but that's one fan's opinion . No doubt Daytona is sold out already .
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I don't think that happened this season, do you? I think elite bowlers will continue to win a championships. Occasionally a few mediocre bowling teams will show up with a shot at a championship, but they'll be weeded out quickly (look at the first cut this year) leaving only the elite bowling teams fighting it out at the end. I would consider the #4 "a great team" and worthy champion. You wouldn't?
 
The question is....After this season, do we see our Champion differently as a result of the way he won it? I don't. The Chase is fine.
 
I'd say another con would be the relentless overselling of the new format by NASCAR and it's media. I get it, it was a new format and they had to hype it up and get the word out about it. But it was a bit over the top. I swear if I heard the word "drama" one more time during the chase, I woulda punched somebody in the mouth. We got a new chase format, that's all good and well, but I coulda done without the NASCAR media telling me how great it is every two seconds. Hopefully that'll die down a bit in 2015 now that the format is in its 2nd year and there's a little less confusion about how it works.
 
Con: For me the "win and you are in" made the summer stretch a tick less significant.

Pro: Pure intensity. Fabrication or not those guys raced their butts off and it was fun to watch. It worked out for some and not so much for others but they all had the same rules to follow.
 
Pros:

1. To get into the Chase, guys raced for wins. Made most of the races interesting. Very rarely heard a driver say he had a good points day.
2. The elimination process of the Chase was good because of the drama and tension.

Cons:

1. The Chase itself came down to drivers point racing against the other Chase drivers. Lost some steam until the last race or two.
2. A non-race winner that was barely a factor in the overall season almost managed to win the championship.
 
Pro's: Got to watch 43 of the best drivers and teams in the world, most every week, give it their best.
With all the talk on who finished where, they all had the same opportunity to put themselves in the final 4, but, only 4 can do that and the rest just have to grin and bare it.
Jeff Gordon and Rick Hendrick were not able to whine their way in under the current points system.
Made me a Bad Brad fan for life.

Cons: A non winner came within a nats ass of winning the championship, yes that sucks, but, dat be da rules.
 
Revman said:
The question is....After this season, do we see our Champion differently as a result of the way he won it? I don't. The Chase is fine.
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The champion is the driver who met the criteria as stated at the beginning of the year. All the teams knew the rules when the season started. In the future, anyone interested can look at the year a driver won and Google the requirements for that year.

NASCAR has gotten better about minimizing the rules changes during the year. I'm sure many here remember when they'd change the spoiler heights every other weekend.
 
I know a lot of you probably played some form of 'Chase Bracket' game. What were your experiences? My fantasy league tried one, but I don't know if we'll do it again next year. Most of us picked the same drivers to advance from each round, and the final results were determined after the first round.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
The champion is the driver who met the criteria as stated at the beginning of the year. All the teams knew the rules when the season started. In the future, anyone interested can look at the year a driver won and Google the requirements for that year.

NASCAR has gotten better about minimizing the rules changes during the year. I'm sure many here remember when they'd change the spoiler heights every other weekend.
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I agree with you man, and as evidence that this year's Chase was a success, the fastest car, in fact, won.
 
Revman said:
The question is....After this season, do we see our Champion differently as a result of the way he won it? I don't. The Chase is fine.
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I refuse to call the bully a champ, chump yes champ no ................................... If I recall Jeff Gordon won the championship
 
Kyle18fan said:
I refuse to call the bully a champ, chump yes champ no ................................... If I recall Jeff Gordon won the championship
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I hear you my friend. I hear you.
 
Kyle18fan said:
Its amazing that Jeff won after that terrible thing with Brad and "the hole" :booya:
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Like where Brad had an opening, and tried to drive through it? I mean pass somebody? Who the hell ever heard of that? Then, Champion Harvick takes him from behind (Oh yes, I did say that!)?
 
I will give this format a thumbs up. The rules don't matter because they all race under the same rules.
If they make NO changes then all the drivers will be back points racing next year after they are locked into the chase.
If they make one change and give the winner of a race a 50 point bonus = the 42 )then more drivers will have to go for the win because it is hard to make up 50 points.
 
Pros: Kevin Harvick won his first championship
Cons: This kind of playoff format doesn't belong in racing. If NASCAR wants to keep this ridiculous format then during the Chase they should have separate races/heats for the Championship contenders and the rest of the field. Teams eliminated from the Championship don't belong on the field/track during a championship game/race. Either that or give points the Chase drivers based on where they finished in relation to the other Chase drivers instead of the rest of the field. Also, if NASCAR wants to keep this ridiculous format then they should only let winners be eligible for the Championship. At least then it will be closer to football like NASCAR originally wanted.
 
Revman said:
Like where Brad had an opening, and tried to drive through it? I mean pass somebody? Who the hell ever heard of that? Then, Champion Harvick takes him from behind (Oh yes, I did say that!)?
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lest we forget it was a tire falloff race also. Gordon and Johnson were sitting ducks on the front row with older tires. Some of the biggest complaints about the "incident, hole, pass" came from tire falloff people. Like ya can't win..for losing.:) remember what ya said..duck into the pits, get a fresh set and run thru the older tire cars to the front? That's what happened. And it also happened IMO because of the chase format. Best, hardest racing in years..hardly any mid race wheel holding this year. Ever wonder in years past why they don't show back in the pack? Took them a while this year for the camera gurus to figure it out and show it, but there was a lot more passes and fighting for positions this year.
 
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Allenbaba said:
I don't think that happened this season, do you? I think elite bowlers will continue to win a championships. Occasionally a few mediocre bowling teams will show up with a shot at a championship, but they'll be weeded out quickly (look at the first cut this year) leaving only the elite bowling teams fighting it out at the end. I would consider the #4 "a great team" and worthy champion. You wouldn't?
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I have tremendous respect for you opinion Allen and look forward to reading your every post , but for Nascar to hang it's hat on the one possible permutation that gave everyone the outcome they needed to crown a legit champion is pretty wild . Kevin was the only one of the four that satisfied everybody , but even at that , he also won the race . Truly incredible. That said , there will never be another 'walk off champion ', there will never be another dynasty , existing records will remain untouched . Future record books will be filled with 'one time winners'.
 
Chilli bowl coming up, hundreds of cars in elimination rounds, any bit of bad luck and you are out. Kevin Swindell won that 4 times in a row beating around 300 other cars. So go figure Teddy.:biggrin: His Daddy Sammy has won it 5 times..but not in a row..talk about a dynasty family, and a couple for the record books.
 
I said before.. and even being a fan of the driver who got screwed by this system more than any... I'll say it again...

LOVE IT!!
 
The Nature Boy said:
NASCAR needs to find a way to make the regular season wins count beyond the first round. I can win 10 races in the regular season and it really only guarantees me (provided I don't really screw up) a spot in the 2nd round. However, once the 2nd round starts, my 10 wins are meaningless.
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Should get a bye through every round.

Chances are the points leader will be there at the end anyway but this ensures you ARE one of the 4 battling for the championship at the last race.

Being consistent for 26 weeks should net you something.
 
The drama for the last 12 races was incredible but the new point system seems completely unfair to the consistent drivers. Checkers or wreckers is great on a per-race basis, but the championship (entire season) shouldn't revolve around this mentality.
 
ted@economy said:
That said , there will never be another 'walk off champion ', there will never be another dynasty , existing records will remain untouched . Future record books will be filled with 'one time winners'.
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ted---does that fall into pro or con category ? :D
 
ted@economy said:
I... That said , there will never be another 'walk off champion ', there will never be another dynasty , existing records will remain untouched . Future record books will be filled with 'one time winners'.
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'Never' is a long time. Time was when people said there'd never be another 5 time champion.
 
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