23XI statement on not signing Charter agreement

StandOnIt said:
and the meter is running on both sides.
I wonder how much it cost for filing suits against the NFL, F-1, and IndyCar? Trying to get into their books so they can cherry pick? Oh look, F-1 charges this and Indycar charges that lol and look at Nascar they charge this. ridiculous.
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They are subpoenas relative to the NASCAR lawsuit. No separate lawsuits were filed against the NFL, F1, and IndyCar. That is a pretty severe misunderstanding.

Whether it is a worthwhile legal strategy is beyond any of our knowledge and experience. Whether Kessler and company have communicated with any of these parties outside the court filings is also unknown.
 
gnomesayin said:
They are subpoenas relative to the NASCAR lawsuit. No separate lawsuits were filed against the NFL, F1, and IndyCar. That is a pretty severe misunderstanding.

Whether it is a worthwhile legal strategy is beyond any of our knowledge and experience. Whether Kessler and company have communicated with any of these parties outside the court filings is also unknown.
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Given the excessive reach of these subpoenas and the immediate HELL NO GET BENT responses coming from those leagues, I’d say it’s pretty certain Kessler didn’t get a cozy chat with these leagues pre-filing. 🏈🏎️ 🫤🤬👎
 
Nope they got spanked pretty good. Ouch.

Now, the NFL has already chosen to respond by rejecting the request to offer sensitive financial information. It stated that the subpoena is not based on a strong foundation and that the information sought is not connected to the dispute between the two teams and NASCAR. The response from the NFL stated:

"The Subpoena is based on the flimsiest of premises: that because Plaintiffs are suing NASCAR, they can obtain — by way of federal process — financials, financial projections, research, studies, analyses, and other highly confidential, proprietary, and commercially sensitive information belonging to almost every other major sports league in the United States.

"To be clear, there is no legitimate basis for any assertion that the information sought has any direct connection to the substantive dispute between the parties. ... Put simply, not only does the Subpoena seek the NFL's most confidential information, it would put that information into the hands of some of the NFL's most consistent legal opponents and a participant in the broader sports and entertainment marketplace."
 
Conover said:
Given the excessive reach of these subpoenas and the immediate HELL NO GET BENT responses coming from those leagues, I’d say it’s pretty certain Kessler didn’t get a cozy chat with these leagues pre-filing. 🏈🏎️ 🫤🤬👎
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You’re projecting basic emotions onto the scenario, perhaps due to your own emotional investment in it, without considering that everyone involved is far more calculating and experienced at defending their interests at a high and technical level.

I don’t see much of this extreme black and white, heroes and villains thinking among those who express support for racing team owners. The few who are blatant NASCAR haters wishing for NASCAR’s downfall reveal themselves quickly and are rightly ignored. I wish we could get some more nuanced thinking on the pro-France family side, because I’d like to read it. There is a lot of room for serious discussion beyond reacting with mock horror to every action one side takes.
 
For instance, I agree that the subpoenas are overly broad. I can’t imagine a court wholesale granting any of them as they are. Therefore, rather than assuming that Kessler lost his mind or is committing malpractice, I tend to think there is a longer strategic play at work.
 
gnomesayin said:
You’re projecting basic emotions onto the scenario, perhaps due to your own emotional investment in it, without considering that everyone involved is far more calculating and experienced at defending their interests at a high and technical level.

I don’t see much of this extreme black and white, heroes and villains thinking among those who express support for racing team owners. The few who are blatant NASCAR haters wishing for NASCAR’s downfall reveal themselves quickly and are rightly ignored. I wish we could get some more nuanced thinking on the pro-France family side, because I’d like to read it. There is a lot of room for serious discussion beyond reacting with mock horror to every action one side takes.
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He has every right to express himself just like the rest of us have. I for one am enjoying the hell out of this discussion blow by blow.
 
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