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Car# Driver Manu Sponsor Owner
1 00 David Reutimann Toyota Aaron's Dream Machine Rob Kauffman
2 1 Jamie McMurray Chevy McDonald's Teresa Earnhardt
3 2 Brad Keselowski Dodge Miller Lite Roger Penske
4 4 Kasey Kahne Toyota Red Bull Dietrich Mateschitz
5 5 Mark Martin Chevy Farmers Insurance / GoDaddy.com Mary Hendrick
6 6 David Ragan Ford UPS John Henry
7 7 Robby Gordon Dodge Speed Energy Robby Gordon
8 9 Marcos Ambrose Ford Stanley Richard Petty
9 11 Denny Hamlin Toyota FedEx Freight J D Gibbs
10 13 Casey Mears Toyota GEICO Bob Germain
11 14 Tony Stewart Chevy Office Depot / Mobil 1 Margaret Haas
12 16 Greg Biffle Ford 3M Jack Roush
13 17 Matt Kenseth Ford Crown Royal John Henry
14 18 Kyle Busch Toyota M&M's Pretzel Joe Gibbs
15 20 Joey Logano Toyota Home Depot Joe Gibbs
16 22 Kurt Busch Dodge Shell / Pennzoil Walter Czarnecki
17 24 Jeff Gordon Chevy DuPont Rick Hendrick
18 27 Paul Menard Chevy Menards / Duracell Tom Pumpelly
19 29 Kevin Harvick Chevy Budweiser Richard Childress
20 31 Jeff Burton Chevy Caterpillar Richard Childress
21 32 Terry Labonte Ford C&J Energy Services Frank Stoddard
22 33 Clint Bowyer Chevy Cheerios / Hamburger Helper Richard Childress
23 34 David Gilliland Ford Taco Bell Bob Jenkins
24 36 Dave Blaney Chevy Golden Corral Tommy Baldwin
25 37 Tomy Drissi Ford Planet of the Apes Brad Jenkins
26 38 Tony Ave (i) Ford Long John Silver's Bob Jenkins
27 39 Ryan Newman Chevy Haas Automation Tony Stewart
28 42 Juan Pablo Montoya Chevy Cottonelle Chip Ganassi
29 43 A.J. Allmendinger Ford Best Buy Richard Petty
30 46 Andy Pilgram Chevy Red Line Tommy McMillan
31 47 Bobby Labonte Toyota Clorox / Kleenex Tad Geschickter
32 48 Jimmie Johnson Chevy Lowe's / Jimmie Johnson Foundation Jeff Gordon
33 51 Boris Said Chevy Thank a Teacher Today James Finch
34 56 Martin Truex Jr. Toyota NAPA Michael Waltrip
35 60 Mike Skinner (i) Toyota Big Red Mike Hillman
36 66 Michael McDowell Toyota HP Racing LLC Phil Parsons
37 71 Andy Lally # Ford TRG Motorsports Kevin Buckler
38 77 PJ Jones Dodge Speed Energy Robby Gordon
39 78 Regan Smith Chevy Furniture Row Barney Vissar
40 81 Brian Simo Chevy Whitney Collision Dusty Whitney
41 83 Brian Vickers Toyota Red Bull Dietrich Mateschitz
42 87 Joe Nemechek (i) Toyota NEMCO Motorsports Andrea Nemechek
43 88 Dale Earnhardt Jr. Chevy AMP Energy / National Guard Rick Hendrick
44 99 Carl Edwards Ford Scotts Ortho Jack Roush
 
I hope Joe Nemechek doesn't qualify, I'm sick of seeing that butthole park his crap. I know there are others that do it but I'm tired of seeing his name. How does he expect to get sponsors if he never attempts a full race?
 
Love Joe Milking that Nascar Cash Cow..I'll root for PJ Jones..Parnellis boy too...
 
chromehorn said:
I hope Joe Nemechek doesn't qualify, I'm sick of seeing that butthole park his crap. I know there are others that do it but I'm tired of seeing his name. How does he expect to get sponsors if he never attempts a full race?
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His wife is the owner of the operation.He's probably just following orders.:D
 
Love When Joes Mom would wear The ScoutMaster Uniformn to the races.. Funny Stuff!!!:)
 
Front Row Joe would be racin' hard if he had sponsors I'm sure...
He can always qualify well :beerbang:
 
Clutch said:
Front Row Joe would be racin' hard if he had sponsors I'm sure...
He can always qualify well :beerbang:
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i agree :) joe's a good driver that doesn't have enough sponsorship money to run a decent *cup* operation. ya gotta do what you have to do.
 
The field is wide open for anyone with more talent and assets than Mr. Nemecheck to attempt to qualify for NASCAR 'Cup races. Coming to the track every week is the best way to make yourself known to potential sponsors.
 
PettyBlue said:
The field is wide open for anyone with more talent and assets than Mr. Nemecheck to attempt to qualify for NASCAR 'Cup races. Coming to the track every week is the best way to make yourself known to potential sponsors.
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My question is: Does being a S&P'er who averages a 41st place finish really inspire a sponsor to dump money in him? The season is almost half over and has Nemechek acquired more than one bonefide sponsor deal yet?

Don't get me wrong, I like small teams. In fact, I want to see more of them. I believe that the old Bill Sr. rule of having ONLY two full-time teams should never have been pillaged by Bill Jr. and a noted couple of team owners. Doing away with the four and six-team megateams would go a long way toward solving some of NA__AR's many major problems. But, with the current system, all Bill and the other regular S&P'ers are doing in most but not all races is just milking the system, offering absolutely nothing to the overall program and destroying what little credibility NA__AR has left. NASCAR is supposed to be a venue for competition and not a form of welfare for NA__AR team owner wannabes.
 
John Galt said:
My question is: Does being a S&P'er who averages a 41st place finish really inspire a sponsor to dump money in him? The season is almost half over and has Nemechek acquired more than one bonefide sponsor deal yet?
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Thats what I'm getting at, he's been doing it for 3 seasons now. Nobody wants you Joe, go home. How much does it cost to run a truck team? I would at least be taking the money I'm getting from parking every week and racing a truck just so sponsors would think I'm serious about it. Or start and park in cup and drive full time for another nationwide or truck team for gas money. All he's doing is showing that he can show up for races. Any team out there can wind their car up to qualify well enough to get into the race.
 
Keep in mind that the start n parkers play a key roll in NASCRAP getting 100% of the TV money.....They are required by contract to have a full field...So....I would'nt put it past them to cover some of the S n P cars expenses....Especially a jaunt to Sonoma.....
 
Joe makes a 100k a month Minimum SnPn Cup...Very Cool!!

More Power to him!! The rich get richer.. USA USA USA!!!
 
chromehorn said:
Thats what I'm getting at, he's been doing it for 3 seasons now. Nobody wants you Joe, go home. How much does it cost to run a truck team? I would at least be taking the money I'm getting from parking every week and racing a truck just so sponsors would think I'm serious about it. Or start and park in cup and drive full time for another nationwide or truck team for gas money. All he's doing is showing that he can show up for races. Any team out there can wind their car up to qualify well enough to get into the race.
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It's his money, why should it bother you so much? Or are you that anxious to see 20 car 'Cup fields?
 
Robby races Off-Road in Chile with his Cup teams Profits... Love It!!:beerbang:
 
DJ Rossi said:
Robby races Off-Road in Chile with his Cup teams Profits... Love It!!:beerbang:
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Not really, he is able to stay in Cup because of the money he makes racing off road all over the planet. His offroad equpipment is second to none, top notch stuff, where his cup equipment is just good enough to get into races.
 
PettyBlue said:
It's his money, why should it bother you so much? Or are you that anxious to see 20 car 'Cup fields?
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Joe bothers me and yes I would much rather see a 20 car field than a bunch of rolling pylons out there we have these days. You guys aren't tired of seeing the start and park teams yet? I'm just saying at what point is enough, enough? It's pretty obvious by now with today's economy and the fact sponsors aren't lining up for nascar anymore, that he isn't going to get a sponsor. If nascar wants 43 car fields they should at least say these parking teams have to run a percentage, say half even, of the races or you don't make any money when you start and park. When was the last time we saw a 43 car field run at least half a race, with the exceptions of actual wrecks and at Daytona and Dega? My point is, maybe Joe would be better off hiring a young talented up and coming driver instead of trying to get sponsors with his old, no talent, has been, fat ass trying to be the face of the team?
 
chromehorn said:
Joe bothers me and yes I would much rather see a 20 car field than a bunch of rolling pylons out there we have these days. You guys aren't tired of seeing the start and park teams yet? I'm just saying at what point is enough, enough? It's pretty obvious by now with today's economy and the fact sponsors aren't lining up for nascar anymore, that he isn't going to get a sponsor. If nascar wants 43 car fields they should at least say these parking teams have to run a percentage, say half even, of the races or you don't make any money when you start and park. When was the last time we saw a 43 car field run at least half a race, with the exceptions of actual wrecks and at Daytona and Dega? My point is, maybe Joe would be better off hiring a young talented up and coming driver instead of trying to get sponsors with his old, no talent, has been, fat ass trying to be the face of the team?
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Something tells me Joe turned you down for an autograph at some time.
 
PettyBlue said:
It's his money, why should it bother you so much? Or are you that anxious to see 20 car 'Cup fields?
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Speaking for myself, it bothers me because the name of the game is supposed to be competition and he doesn't even make an attempt to be competitive during the race. He obviously could be somewhat competitive with other second and third tier teams but instead he drives a few laps, then parks it and collects an exorbitant amount of money for the effort he puts forth.

Here is an example of what I mean:
I looked at the records for the past five weeks and found that Joe S&P'd five times, completing a grand total of 175 laps (35 a race) and earned a total of $367, 615 for his efforts ($2101.65 a lap average)
Edwards, OTOH, competed 1328 laps and earned $696,355 ($524.36 average for each lap completed)
A middle of the field driver, Marcos Ambrose did 1422 laps for $649420 for the same five races ($456.69 per lap average)
So, one S&P driver, Joe Nemechek, is making 460% more, per lap, than a driver who actually competes? Maybe it's just me but that smacks of just plain old welfare and rewarding bad behaviour.

What was the total purse this past week at Michigan? something $5,100,000, I believe I read. Maybe all 43 cars should have saved the expense of tires, body damage and everything else that goes along with real racing? Maybe they all should have driven one lap and parked it and split the purse equally (around $118, 600 per car). That's the game Nemechek is playing and the game that NA__AR allows (encourages?) the S&P'ers to play.
Speaking only for myself, that's what bothers me about the S&P'ers.

And yes, I'd rather see a field of thirty-some cars that come to at least try to put on a show for the paying customers than see five or six of a 43-car field basically get a lot for expending little effort. This is supposed to be the big leagues (That's a subject for another debate), not the local level.
 
DJ Rossi said:
Robby Finished 2nd last year at Sonoma...
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Road cources are an exception with him, he knows he has a chance there and they put together a great car for them. Instead of trying to make it look like I don't know what I'm talking about, do a little research before making remarks, look at his record before last season, pretty horrible, hasn't done very well since he was with RCR, he's better at the Glen.
 
Are there not 43 stock car drivers of worthy talent available in the USA or elsewhere to fill out the field for a NASCAR 'Cup race?
 
PettyBlue said:
Are there not 43 stock car drivers of worthy talent available in the USA or elsewhere to fill out the field for a NASCAR 'Cup race?
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Talent, yes, but remember, they all gotta look like Justin Bieber too.
Can't have a guy jumpin out of a car with a beer gut, and acne, in the winners circle.
MoMike
 
MoMike said:
Talent, yes, but remember, they all gotta look like Justin Bieber too.
Can't have a guy jumpin out of a car with a beer gut, and acne, in the winners circle.
MoMike
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Ha ha. Sad isn't it? You know there are some ugly trolls out there that can probably drive circles around half the current field.
 
John Galt said:
with the current system, all Bill and the other regular S&P'ers are doing in most but not all races is just milking the system, offering absolutely nothing to the overall program and destroying what little credibility NA__AR has left. NASCAR is supposed to be a venue for competition and not a form of welfare for NA__AR team owner wannabes.
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That's not the case with all drivers. Take J.J. Yeley, for instance. After being let go by JGR a few seasons ago, J.J. vowed to never drive for a start and park team. But after getting seriously hurt in a sprint car crash, which prevented him from being within NASCAR's circles, he quickly discovered that out of sight, was, indeed, out of mind.
So he chose to sign with Dusty Whitney to not only pay the bills, but for name recognition as well. This article best sums it up:

"Yeley is another example. He's started 13 races for team owner Dusty Whitney, has completed just 562 laps, has 13 DNFs and his average finish is 40.5. His best finish so far this season: 37th at his home track in Phoenix in late February.

And yet, Yeley has pocketed over $1.175 million in earnings and bonus money, enough to support his growing family, keep several of Whitney's workers employed and, like Nemechek, is able to keep his face visible and continue networking from one track to another.

Who knows, when a potential sponsor, or maybe a better ride, may suddenly present itself? Far too often, business takes place at the racetrack, rather than in a corporate boardroom. If he's not at the track, and more importantly not racing, Yeley loses out on a potential opportunity that may go to someone else.

I'm sure he's not happy being labeled as a "start-and-parker", but at least he has a job and is doing what he loves. He may not be getting the kind of showings that he's used to, but driving a race car for a living sure beats driving a taxi for a living."

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If anyone is to be condemned for the start and park fiasco, it is mostly NASCAR, not the drivers.

As the kids say today, hate the game, not the player.
 
There's 10s of 1000s American Drivers that could Drive a Cup Car Well...

some testing.. & the Chance.. is all they need..
 
PettyBlue said:
Are there not 43 stock car drivers of worthy talent available in the USA or elsewhere to fill out the field for a NASCAR 'Cup race?
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there are lots of drivers out there that could probably come into cup and do a good job. lack of talent isn't why we have the s&p'ers, it's lack of money. nascar is selling champagne to people that struggle to afford beer. it's not the product they want or the product that they can afford.
 
nascage said:
That's not the case with all drivers. Take J.J. Yeley, for instance. After being let go by JGR a few seasons ago, J.J. vowed to never drive for a start and park team. But after getting seriously hurt in a sprint car crash, which prevented him from being within NASCAR's circles, he quickly discovered that out of sight, was, indeed, out of mind.
So he chose to sign with Dusty Whitney to not only pay the bills, but for name recognition as well. This article best sums it up:

"Yeley is another example. He's started 13 races for team owner Dusty Whitney, has completed just 562 laps, has 13 DNFs and his average finish is 40.5. His best finish so far this season: 37th at his home track in Phoenix in late February.

And yet, Yeley has pocketed over $1.175 million in earnings and bonus money, enough to support his growing family, keep several of Whitney's workers employed and, like Nemechek, is able to keep his face visible and continue networking from one track to another.

Who knows, when a potential sponsor, or maybe a better ride, may suddenly present itself? Far too often, business takes place at the racetrack, rather than in a corporate boardroom. If he's not at the track, and more importantly not racing, Yeley loses out on a potential opportunity that may go to someone else.

I'm sure he's not happy being labeled as a "start-and-parker", but at least he has a job and is doing what he loves. He may not be getting the kind of showings that he's used to, but driving a race car for a living sure beats driving a taxi for a living."

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If anyone is to be condemned for the start and park fiasco, it is mostly NASCAR, not the drivers.

As the kids say today, hate the game, not the player.
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My complain isn't focused on the drivers. They're contract workers who do what they gotta do. My complaint is, as you state is partly with MA__AR itself for allowing this S&P thing to proliferate. It should have come to a screeching halt back a few years ago (in 2004 I believe) when James Finch showed up on race day with (1) a driver - Joe Ruttman if I remember correctly, and (2) a car. No crew, no "War wagon," no tires, no gas can, no tools no nothing. Finch made it plain from the start that he was only there to collect last place money.

I find Nemechek doubly at fault because he not only is a driver but also the team owner. In his claim that S&P'ing will get him a quality sponsor, he reminds me of the pitiful guy who stalks some cute girl in the belief that she'll give me a date. It just ain't gonna happen.

I disagree completely about your example, Yeley, getting noticed in a &SP effort. Maybe, out there somewhere, there is some team owner who would take notice of a driver who is instructed to "Save the car," from the drop of the green flag. Speaking for myself, if I were looking for a driver to drive competitively I'd look for a competitive driving chauffeur, not some guy motoring around at the back of the pack for the first 20 or so laps of a race.
For sure you boy, J.J. is capable of that but he's under orders to "Compete" differently. It's my belief that a S&P driver quickly earns a label of "Loser," and he/she does themselves more harm than good by accepting such a ride on a regular basis. Don't get me wrong. I have nothing against Yeley. he's a hell of an open wheel driver and I would rather see him in a competitive car for Gibbs than Master Joey (That's an entire other discussion). But, as you put it, he's earned over a $million. I have no idea what his cut of that amount is but I bet he and his family aren't getting their bread from day-old stores and their dining out doesn't involve the Salvation Army. In taking a S&P job he's just part of the problem and not of the solution. But, he's just the driver so I can't put the blame totally, or even mostly, on him.

I think I remember, earlier in this season, reading about some chick in the Cup Lite Series who got a lot of positive recognition for refusing to drive a S&P entry. Since them I think she has become a semi-regular S&P'er and what notice has she received from that?

If you finish consistently below 30th place, you'll be known as a driver who can finish no better than 30th, as unfair a perception as that might be.
 
2 RGM Cars In The Show!!! Young Joey on the Pole!! HOOYAAAA!!!!
 
This is one of those races I can take or leave because I know Vickers has no chance of winning.
 
Spike said:
This is one of those races I can take or leave because I know Vickers has no chance of winning.
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You never know I said that up until Kasey took the checkard flag in 2009
 
John Galt said:
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Good post. Perhaps I'm a little biased because my driver is one of those "start and parkers" and I hope the best for him in an unfavorable situation.
For now, I'm just glad to see him on Sundays and represent our hometown.
 
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