44 Cars at Sonoma!!

My complain isn't focused on the drivers. They're contract workers who do what they gotta do. My complaint is, as you state is partly with MA__AR itself for allowing this S&P thing to proliferate. It should have come to a screeching halt back a few years ago (in 2004 I believe) when James Finch showed up on race day with (1) a driver - Joe Ruttman if I remember correctly, and (2) a car. No crew, no "War wagon," no tires, no gas can, no tools no nothing. Finch made it plain from the start that he was only there to collect last place money.

I find Nemechek doubly at fault because he not only is a driver but also the team owner. In his claim that S&P'ing will get him a quality sponsor, he reminds me of the pitiful guy who stalks some cute girl in the belief that she'll give me a date. It just ain't gonna happen.

I disagree completely about your example, Yeley, getting noticed in a &SP effort. Maybe, out there somewhere, there is some team owner who would take notice of a driver who is instructed to "Save the car," from the drop of the green flag. Speaking for myself, if I were looking for a driver to drive competitively I'd look for a competitive driving chauffeur, not some guy motoring around at the back of the pack for the first 20 or so laps of a race.
For sure you boy, J.J. is capable of that but he's under orders to "Compete" differently. It's my belief that a S&P driver quickly earns a label of "Loser," and he/she does themselves more harm than good by accepting such a ride on a regular basis. Don't get me wrong. I have nothing against Yeley. he's a hell of an open wheel driver and I would rather see him in a competitive car for Gibbs than Master Joey (That's an entire other discussion). But, as you put it, he's earned over a $million. I have no idea what his cut of that amount is but I bet he and his family aren't getting their bread from day-old stores and their dining out doesn't involve the Salvation Army. In taking a S&P job he's just part of the problem and not of the solution. But, he's just the driver so I can't put the blame totally, or even mostly, on him.

I think I remember, earlier in this season, reading about some chick in the Cup Lite Series who got a lot of positive recognition for refusing to drive a S&P entry. Since them I think she has become a semi-regular S&P'er and what notice has she received from that?

If you finish consistently below 30th place, you'll be known as a driver who can finish no better than 30th, as unfair a perception as that might be.

:beerbang: I never agreed with the whole concept of start and park, no where on the local level do you see it , it is total bull**** if you ask me. And so is the TV contract that is suppose to guarantee 43 cars to fill the field?? Ummm who the hell came up with that, why don't they guarantee all the seats in the stands be full too? I'd rather see 30-36 very competitive cars in the field rather than an extra 7 that just take away any valuable sponsor money from the teams that actually have a chance in hell in being competitive.
 
The contract states a full field but the coverage is usually focused on the same 4 or 5 cars every week.

You pretty much have to get in a wreck to get on TV so it's no wonder that teams are lacking in sponsorship.

Too bad the contracts don't limit commercials.
 
The contract states a full field but the coverage is usually focused on the same 4 or 5 cars every week.

You pretty much have to get in a wreck to get on TV so it's no wonder that teams are lacking in sponsorship.

Too bad the contracts don't limit commercials.
Do you have a link or some reference which spells out that the contract mandates a "Full field?" I've looked all over the net for the conditions of the TV contracts but have come up blank.

I don't doubt for a second that NA__AR would sign on to such a stipulation but I'd like to read the language of the contract. I wonder if "Full Field" is actually defined?

As badly as NA__AR is currently managed, I still find it odd that they would continue to allow such a blatant problem such as S&P to continue so openly. Doesn't Brian Z., Mike Helton or anyone else in Daytona Beach realize that NA__AR has the credibility of a TV clairvoyant, and doing nothing about the S&P situation isn't making that credibility any better?
 
Good post. Perhaps I'm a little biased because my driver is one of those "start and parkers" and I hope the best for him in an unfavorable situation.
For now, I'm just glad to see him on Sundays and represent our hometown.
Thanks for the compliment IRT Post#32. Yeah, I wouldn't mind seeing J.J. get a string of good finishes. Being originally from the Indianapolis area I have always had a soft spot in my heart for the open wheelers who come over to other series.

That said, and no disrespect meant to you but, speaking only for myself, I'd rather see Yeley just go back to what he does best, sprints and midgets, rather than have him represent me as a S&P'er. What he's doing now is, IMNSVHO, just kind of ...??? sad? For a guy with the talent of J.J. Yeley (Ditto most of the other S&P drivers).

His boss, Whitney, OTOH, is just milking the sytem (with two teams no less!!??) and he's just pathetic. He had two miserable years in Cup Lite, scoring only three top tens. He's in Cup simply because the money is better and, as a S&P'er easier. I think he belongs in some traveling series like ARCA. I never saw any real bonus to being a tiny fish in a very big pond over being a big fish in a small pong, anyway.
 
Do you have a link or some reference which spells out that the contract mandates a "Full field?" I've looked all over the net for the conditions of the TV contracts but have come up blank.

I don't doubt for a second that NA__AR would sign on to such a stipulation but I'd like to read the language of the contract. I wonder if "Full Field" is actually defined?

As badly as NA__AR is currently managed, I still find it odd that they would continue to allow such a blatant problem such as S&P to continue so openly. Doesn't Brian Z., Mike Helton or anyone else in Daytona Beach realize that NA__AR has the credibility of a TV clairvoyant, and doing nothing about the S&P situation isn't making that credibility any better?

Nascar has mandated a 43 car field and if they sign a contract with that mandate, wouldn't they be required to fill the field?

So, maybe that answers why they're not doing anything about the S&P situation...then again, maybe it doesn't.
 
Too bad the contracts don't limit commercials.


Amen to that. I swear I've NEVER seen any network go to commercial as many times as TNT did last week at Michigan.

As far as the S&P mess goes, It's my opinion that those owners are nothing but thieves. They show up and take money for doing nothing. They can say that they are just trying to get sponsors so they run the full distance all they want but that's BS. Nemecheck has been doing this for a long time now and how often does he run the entire race? Maybe 3 times a year if that???
 
Keep in mind that the start n parkers play a key roll in NASCRAP getting 100% of the TV money.....They are required by contract to have a full field...So....I would'nt put it past them to cover some of the S n P cars expenses....Especially a jaunt to Sonoma.....

I have heard this "the contract requires a full field" but I've never seen any evidence of this.
 
Nascar has mandated a 43 car field and if they sign a contract with that mandate, wouldn't they be required to fill the field?So, maybe that answers why they're not doing anything about the S&P situation...then again, maybe it doesn't.
What about the Cup Lite race today? They have only 42 entrants listed?

I'm not doubting you; it seems like the kind of stupid thing NA__AR would sign on to. However, the term "Full Field" is giving me a little bit of trouble. Since, as in today's Cup Lite race, it depends on the entrants so the term seems kind of nebulous. So, that makes it about as clear as the way they enforce the rules so it probably is in the contract.
 
What about the Cup Lite race today? They have only 42 entrants listed?

I'm not doubting you; it seems like the kind of stupid thing NA__AR would sign on to. However, the term "Full Field" is giving me a little bit of trouble. Since, as in today's Cup Lite race, it depends on the entrants so the term seems kind of nebulous. So, that makes it about as clear as the way they enforce the rules so it probably is in the contract.

May be different contracts since all Nationwide races are on ESPN and CRAP are divided between 3.
 
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