5 hour leaving bowyer/SHR signed anyways?

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We have known for sometime that bowyer is replacing tony stewart in the 14 car. The interesting thing for me is it looks like they signed bowyer without having 5 hour in place coming over. The other interesting thing to me is I wonder if 5 hour ever feels like lordy who actually wants us. Remember when clint was trying to stay at RCR? 5 hour wanted to run half the season with clint over there but Richard wanted to keep jeff burton instead for some strange reason. This was despite the fact that it turned out BB&T and some others that clint had in place there went over to burton. So both went to MWR.

with 5 hour following clint over to the H scott it looked like they were set to follow him to SHR. I know some have said this was a conflict with monster, which IMO it shouldn't be. basspro is moving largely over to truex. I wonder what the sponsorship situation will be on the 14 car next year with basspro beefing up its sponsorship of truex and with 5 hour gone from clint.

I guess you can chalk this up to having gene haas as the owner. hire the driver let the sponsorship come later. Although they did bring harvick over knowing that he had bud, JJ and other sponsors to bring over. perhaps allenbada can give us the real story.
 
I never gave a conflict of sponsor interest any thought. Why would 5-Hour be cool with running on that ****box after MWR folded if they weren't planning on going to the 14?
 
@Allenbaba said that Mobil 1 will be staying at SHR. I would imagine they would be on the 14. Possibly Rush/code 3/Peak/Visine/"Haas". fills out schedule?
 
Rookie move by SHR if they signed knowing 5 Hour was walking away.

Unless they had a sponsor lined up beforehand.
 
Clint isn't what is weird here, people. It's 5-Hour Energy.

Edit: Jones in the 77 with 5-Hour! Nevermind, not as weird!
 
I think the reason for the "Monster-5 Hour conflict of interest" line is because of that scuffle Red Bull and Monster had when the latter signed on to Robby Gordon's team about ten years ago.
 
Kinda surprised there even was a conflict of interest at SHR, Monster and 5HE aren't even direct competitors. I thought if Farmers was fine with Nationwide joining HMS, Monster would be fine with 5HE.
 
DUN24 said:
I never gave a conflict of sponsor interest any thought. Why would 5-Hour be cool with running on that ****box after MWR folded if they weren't planning on going to the 14?
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Yeah why follow Clint to hscott if they weren't going with him to Stewart haas. They also knew well before last season was up MWR was folding to find another car to sponsor. I am sure a lot if teams would love to have them. To me the problem is 5 hour has been around a while and to me they have shown commitment to the sport. I would rather have a long term partner than one that is new in the sport.

Perhaps allenbada can tell the details of how or if 5 hour was turned away
 
^ Gene Haas was asked about a potential conflict with the potential Bowyer car 14 sponsor at the time he announced Monster's deal for the 41. He said, A bird in hand beats one in the bush. What's hard to understand about that? Seems elementary to me.
 
None of us knows the size of the cheque 5 hours writes. Apparently it wasn't big enough for RCR. MWR needed sponsors so they took them. Bowyer's current team needs sponsors and were happy to get 5 hr. I don't know who the sponsor line up for the 77 is but we can assume from the past that they are not covering 36 races. Good luck to them on their new team.
 
Team Penske said:
None of us knows the size of the cheque 5 hours writes. Apparently it wasn't big enough for RCR. MWR needed sponsors so they took them. Bowyer's current team needs sponsors and were happy to get 5 hr. I don't know who the sponsor line up for the 77 is but we can assume from the past that they are not covering 36 races. Good luck to them on their new team.
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The announcement tabbed 5-Hour for 22 races on the 77. That's 14-16 (depending on whether exhibition events count) that the car needs sponsorship for.
 
Perhaps the sponsor wearied of Bowyer's 2016 "performances" ...
 
aunty dive said:
Perhaps the sponsor wearied of Bowyer's 2016 "performances" ...
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I expected more, but Clint said he went from over twenty engineers to communicate to, its down to one.

Also, having Michael Annett as a teammate is not helping I bet. I knew HScott was small, but not that small. Its quite ignorant of me to think considering the team just opened up two years ago. Hendrick chassis are not helping or they have not received them yet. I don't know, but I'm pretty sure Clint is giving his all.

Just goes to show what downsizing really is.
 
Don't forget that Ford will also be bringing a boatload of cash over to SHR. They'll be just fine folks...
 
Kiante said:
I expected more, but Clint said he went from over twenty engineers to communicate to, its down to one.

Also, having Michael Annett as a teammate is not helping I bet. I knew HScott was small, but not that small. Its quite ignorant of me to think considering the team just opened up two years ago. Hendrick chassis are not helping or they have not received them yet. I don't know, but I'm pretty sure Clint is giving his all.

Just goes to show what downsizing really is.
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I heard they were recycling SHR chassis and leasing older Hendrick engines, and I assume that first tap is slowly being shut off w/ that team's move to Ford.
 
I'd want to open the tap.

Engines are new once and have X number of rebuilds in them. Jimmie Johnson runs "older" engines.
 
aunty dive said:
I'd want to open the tap.

Engines are new once and have X number of rebuilds in them. Jimmie Johnson runs "older" engines.
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"Older" in this case = already been rebuilt Y number of times, as opposed to Johnson who will get a brand new block after Z number of rebuilds.
 
So will Scott. Engine shops treat blocks, heads and all the rotating pieces like aircraft parts. Everything is coded and when the cycle time is up, each piece is done.

Beyond that, a new block offers no advantage.
 
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DUN24 said:
I never gave a conflict of sponsor interest any thought. Why would 5-Hour be cool with running on that ****box after MWR folded if they weren't planning on going to the 14?
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As with most sponsors, there are behind the scenes politics that go on. Not every decision can be taken at face value for what does or doesn't make sense. Big sponsors (like 5Hr) all have full time people who manage the NASCAR account, and outside firms (like agents or ad agencies or brand companies, etc) who also help manage the account. Those people basically work in the NASCAR industry. They have hard cards. They attend races. They make friends in the garage. They're part of the landscape and culture. They might as well be on a team. Therefore...some decisions are more based on relationships, and/or keeping the company's support of NASCAR coming (which means staying employed) versus strict "what makes the most sense" decision making. Staying on "that ****box" was simply a very affordable way to keep them in the sport while they planned their next move. The idea that they'd be FRR's 2nd car has been something that's been in the works since MWR went under, and FRR joined the Toyota stable. But so much other stuff had to happen in order for the 77 to finally come together, that there's no point in trying to find another top tier team short term. Stay with the driver & car number for consistency sake, then make a proper move.
 
Allenbaba said:
As with most sponsors, there are behind the scenes politics that go on. Not every decision can be taken at face value for what does or doesn't make sense. Big sponsors (like 5Hr) all have full time people who manage the NASCAR account, and outside firms (like agents or ad agencies or brand companies, etc) who also help manage the account. Those people basically work in the NASCAR industry. They have hard cards. They attend races. They make friends in the garage. They're part of the landscape and culture. They might as well be on a team. Therefore...some decisions are more based on relationships, and/or keeping the company's support of NASCAR coming (which means staying employed) versus strict "what makes the most sense" decision making. Staying on "that ****box" was simply a very affordable way to keep them in the sport while they planned their next move. The idea that they'd be FRR's 2nd car has been something that's been in the works since MWR went under, and FRR joined the Toyota stable. But so much other stuff had to happen in order for the 77 to finally come together, that there's no point in trying to find another top tier team short term. Stay with the driver & car number for consistency sake, then make a proper move.
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Yeah I would imagine there are a ton of moving parts and people moving each one. I get it, no need to close the door on potential relationships because of a possible lame duck year
 
Imagine if the sponsors knew about the debris cautions. If they knew there would be many less sponsors.
 
Maybe Allenbaba can correct me if I am wrong on this, but when Clint's deal was made to go to SHR and him making a quick stop over at HScott first and him taking 5 Hour with him, I dont recall it ever being mentioned that 5 Hour was going to SHR , I know I could be wrong, I do have a case of CRS ( cant remember stuff).
 
I liked Allenbaba's statement "we will keep writing your cheque until we get a better deal".
Looks like they found one.
 
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