6 to go... are you excited people?

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I sure am. Let's get this Chase race talk going! The points are super close among the top 8! Even Jr. and Jeff have an outside chance of a miracle. Among the leaders I say it's anyone's Cup. Edwards could be considered the favorite. Harvick is always there, he is a serious threat. You all know about Jimmie. Brad's a surprise, don't count him out. Kenseth one point behind Brad, still well within striking distance. Kurt... well... Crybaby number one still has a shot at it. Tony got the pole for this weekend. Definitely not out of it. And then we have Kyle. Usually chokes in the Chase, which is good with me. Crybaby number two has a shot, but I have my Voodoo doll in the sights of my 12-gauge in case he should show some promise. :D

So we have Charlotte then Talladega. Going to be some awesome racing coming up!!! Let's get this party started!

What are your thoughts/predictions?
 
I think Johnson has his work cut out for his this season, and I think Carl Edwards, and Harvick are going to give him a run for his money.

There's no two ways about it, whomever is going to be the Champion would've earned it.
 
BobbyFord said:
I still do not like the point system under the Chase format. NASCAR is losing fans.
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Come on now. I'm trying to get people talking about the excitement of the Chase, not focusing on the negative feelings some people have.
 
KingGlamis said:
Come on now. I'm trying to get people talking about the excitement of the Chase, not focusing on the negative feelings some people have.
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I'm just not excited about the Chase. The title of the thread asked a specific question...sorry but I'm not excited even though one of my drivers is currently leading the points.
 
To be perfectly honest, I have yet to watch a Chase race, and I haven't got a clue who is in the points lead.
 
To me it is still a few races away. This is just the attrition stage, somebody will probably have a DNF and get eliminated.


For the next few, more about not losing a championship, then winning one.
 
I look forward to every week when NASCAR is on! The fact that the Chase is On does not have any impact on whether or not I watch. That being said, yes, I am quite interested in seeing how it all plays out. Only a few guys are out of it and it's still Jimmie-Chad's title to lose, as far as I am concerned.

However, I don't think that a Plate Race should be a factor in deciding a champion. If NASCAR insists on running these idiotic "races" they should be non-points-paying exhibition races. Same could be said for road races, I suppose.
 
Carl, Matt and Brad have been the most consistant top 5 cars. Harvick keeps hanging in there race after race, and those 12 bonus points don't hurt. Tony is all over the place, and JJ just woke up.

I can't even tell if wins or consistancy has the edge, but wins sure give you a big premium to catch up or break out. The racing could get so intense for a win, an opportunist could walk away with a couple of wins.

I'm still hoping Brad opens a six pack of whoop ass on JJ's dream. I'm thinking he's about to catch fire again. :)
 
Dega and Martinsville will determain who the champ is going to be. Whoever is with in about 20 points after those 2 races I would say will be the only ones with a shot.
 
I was a little excited about the Chase back in 2004 when it was brand spankin new. Now, in the 8th year..... Not so much. For the past 5 years I feel like I've been watching a bad television show rerun that always ends the same. This year I'm starting to get the feeling that I've been watching the same show again.

The races I'm excited about. The Chase?
 
FenderBumper said:
I can't even tell if wins or consistancy has the edge, but wins sure give you a big premium to catch up or break out. The racing could get so intense for a win, an opportunist could walk away with a couple of wins.

From the outside looking in,You'd have to be a brave man to pick a winner this far out.The way I see it is luck almost plays the biggest part.You can Qualli in the top 1/2 dozen, have hot track, cold track & dial the car in or out to suit with sub 12 sec pit stops all day and get shafted in a GWC.I've never seen a more frustrating form of motor racing.Perhaps that's why we like it.
Take the luck factor out of it and Chad & Jimmie do look good though.
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:D Charlotte is going to be a Hell of a Race! But unfourtunatly I beleive Talladegga is where the Chase contenders are going to sort things out.......or maybe I should say Lady Luck is goingto sort things out there :(
One way or another The Chase has been much more interesting this year than in the past, the new points system has really tightened things up! I Like It.
If your not watching this years Chase your missing out :D
 
ozz said:
From the outside looking in,You'd have to be a brave man to pick a winner this far out.The way I see it is luck almost plays the biggest part.You can Qualli in the top 1/2 dozen, have hot track, cold track & dial the car in or out to suit with sub 12 sec pit stops all day and get shafted in a GWC.I've never seen a more frustrating form of motor racing.Perhaps that's why we like it.
Take the luck factor out of it and Chad & Jimmie do look good though.
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IMO, that's what makes it exciting. Kez has stated he would just try to finish the first 4 races and still be in contention, and they executed perfectly. If it wasn't for a lump of rubber at Dover, he would have the points lead. Last time they were at Charolette he had the win in the bag until Kasey gassed out and Edwards pushed Burton into his back end.

Then there is Tony, who went all out with fuel strategy and got 2 wins, but doesn't have consistancy.

A long time ago I realized that watching the team with the best technology dominate the race was boring, and I stopped watching F1 and Indycar. You need a cast iron stomach to compete in nascar. It's a show about racing where the human element is key, and it sure gets messy.
 
robbybee said:
I look forward to every week when NASCAR is on! The fact that the Chase is On does not have any impact on whether or not I watch. That being said, yes, I am quite interested in seeing how it all plays out. Only a few guys are out of it and it's still Jimmie-Chad's title to lose, as far as I am concerned.

However, I don't think that a Plate Race should be a factor in deciding a champion. If NASCAR insists on running these idiotic "races" they should be non-points-paying exhibition races. Same could be said for road races, I suppose.
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I think a champion should be able to win on all types of tracks honestly. I think the chase needs at least one short track(check) at least one super speedway(check) at least one speedway(check) and a road course(add this in and then it will be set) that way you have to be good on all types of tracks and that is what makes a champion in my honest opinion.

and yes I'm a excited to see how this plays out
 
robbybee said:
However, I don't think that a Plate Race should be a factor in deciding a champion. If NASCAR insists on running these idiotic "races" they should be non-points-paying exhibition races. Same could be said for road races, I suppose.
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Also for mile and a halfs that can be fuel milage races, and short tracks cause someone can get spun out, and flat tracks cause they aren't banked enough, and concrete tracks because they aren't asphalt:sarcasm:
 
kkfan91 said:
Also for mile and a halfs that can be fuel milage races, and short tracks cause someone can get spun out, and flat tracks cause they aren't banked enough, and concrete tracks because they aren't asphalt:sarcasm:
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I understand. My opinion regarding Plate Races is based upon the fact that the results of a Plate Race are not based upon anything but luck - as was demonstrated by Trevor Bayne's win at Daytona. While I think it was awesome that the Wood Bros. were again in Victory Lane, the outcome had more to do with serindipity than with skill or technology, as is the case with Plate Races in general.

It's exciting but it's NOT racing, IMO.
 
One thing the chase has done is make the possiblity of a tie come into play.
The team with the most wins could determine this.
 
robbybee said:
I understand. My opinion regarding Plate Races is based upon the fact that the results of a Plate Race are not based upon anything but luck - as was demonstrated by Trevor Bayne's win at Daytona. While I think it was awesome that the Wood Bros. were again in Victory Lane, the outcome had more to do with serindipity than with skill or technology, as is the case with Plate Races in general.

It's exciting but it's NOT racing, IMO.
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WWWWHHHAAAAATTTTT! Are you saying Trevor has no more talent than a monkey in a firesuit? The restrictor plate races place ALOT more pressure on a driver than your giving them credit for! The Luck and Draft just Equalize the cars more than other type tracks.

How about them Wood Bro's anyway man they still can put a SuperSpeedway car together! I can't hardly wait for Talledagga BABY!!!
 
FlFlash said:
WWWWHHHAAAAATTTTT! Are you saying Trevor has no more talent than a monkey in a firesuit? The restrictor plate races place ALOT more pressure on a driver than your giving them credit for! The Luck and Draft just Equalize the cars more than other type tracks.

How about them Wood Bro's anyway man they still can put a SuperSpeedway car together! I can't hardly wait for Talledagga BABY!!!
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The restrictor plates are what equalize the cars. In my opinion, when 35 or 40 drivers can navigate an oval with their right foot planted firmly on the floorboard the whole time, it's not racing. It's high speed Russian Roulette.

As for Trevor, he has more talent than many NASCAR drivers, I think. But at the same time, how many other races (CUP or N'wide) has he been in position to win?
 
I should have said Equalize the Teams not cars. In other words a Good driver has a chance at proving himself at these tracks without having 500 crewmen 20 million dollar sponsors etc.
If you don't think driving a car 500 miles at 190 with 42 other cars running the same speed pushing, shoveing, bumping, wrecking is demanding on a driver....I just don't know what to say :confused:

ANY Driver Winning ANY Cup race anymore has done something special even if it's due to rain, fuel mileage, or restrictor plates. That Driver put himself in position to take advantage of those circumstances and is a WINNER!
 
FlFlash said:
I should have said Equalize the Teams not cars. In other words a Good driver has a chance at proving himself at these tracks without having 500 crewmen 20 million dollar sponsors etc.
If you don't think driving a car 500 miles at 190 with 42 other cars running the same speed pushing, shoveing, bumping, wrecking is demanding on a driver....I just don't know what to say :confused:

ANY Driver Winning ANY Cup race anymore has done something special even if it's due to rain, fuel mileage, or restrictor plates. That Driver put himself in position to take advantage of those circumstances and is a WINNER!
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Well said. To add to that, I believe certain driver talents come into play at R-plate races more than when a driver has a good handeling car at a mile or mile and a half track. Just watch Kyle wiggle all over the place pushing and you'll see what I mean. Kyle just isn't in tune with the subtle feel and moves required at Res races. Patience and a smooth are what you need.

Trevor had the benifit of having a few veterans work with him, just as Brad did at Talla. In the end, they both made smart moves to win. Without Brads smooth double move to the inside or Trevors smart lane change at the end, they wouldn't have won.
 
KingGlamis said:
So we have Charlotte then Talladega. Going to be some awesome racing coming up!!! Let's get this party started!

What are your thoughts/predictions?
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Yeah.... I'd go Junior @ Talladega.

Just waitin' on Spike's picks.

(I'll chime in when it counts)
 
Since my last post in this thread, I am now starting to see some excitement in the Chase. I sure hated to see it happen that way but due to Jimmie running firewall deep into the wall last weekend it looks a little more like he could be dethroned. Time will tell. As far as I'm concerned as long as he's mathematically in it, he's the guy to beat. To be the man you've .........
 
FlFlash said:
If you don't think driving a car 500 miles at 190 with 42 other cars running the same speed pushing, shoveing, bumping, wrecking is demanding on a driver....I just don't know what to say :confused:
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I never said it wasn't demanding. It has to be 3-plus hours of pure hell for the drivers with so much at stake. I also never said that it wasn't exciting - because it certainly is. And it's also extremely dangerous, too!

It's just not what I consider to be racing in the truest sense, because every one of the drivers is prevented from showing what they and their cars are capable of due to the horsepower reduction - which means that most every car runs the same exact speed.

But that's just my opinion. I will be watching...
 
robbybee said:
I never said it wasn't demanding. It has to be 3-plus hours of pure hell for the drivers with so much at stake. I also never said that it wasn't exciting - because it certainly is. And it's also extremely dangerous, too!

It's just not what I consider to be racing in the truest sense, because every one of the drivers is prevented from showing what they and their cars are capable of due to the horsepower reduction - which means that most every car runs the same exact speed.

But that's just my opinion. I will be watching...
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88 lead changes last race means it was a competitive race. How many lead changes does the typical race have? Not that many.
 
KingGlamis said:
88 lead changes last race means it was a competitive race. How many lead changes does the typical race have? Not that many.
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Yea, but how many of those lead changes were due to drivers fighting for position, or simply switching with one another so the "pusher car" can get some air?
 
KingGlamis said:
88 lead changes last race means it was a competitive race. How many lead changes does the typical race have? Not that many.
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Most of those were manufactured lead changes.In this 2x2 tandem crap the rear car can't stay back there long or it will overheat so they HAVE TO SWITCH PLACES which produces a lead change.So most of those lead changes are not because of performance they are out of necessity cause if not the rear cars engine would blow up.
 
mike honcho said:
Most of those were manufactured lead changes.In this 2x2 tandem crap the rear car can't stay back there long or it will overheat so they HAVE TO SWITCH PLACES which produces a lead change.So most of those lead changes are not because of performance they are out of necessity cause if not the rear cars engine would blow up.
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Well it's not like it was two cars that switched position 44 times. There were a LOT of different leaders.
 
mike honcho said:
Most of those were manufactured lead changes.In this 2x2 tandem crap the rear car can't stay back there long or it will overheat so they HAVE TO SWITCH PLACES which produces a lead change.So most of those lead changes are not because of performance they are out of necessity cause if not the rear cars engine would blow up.
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The bulk of the lead changes were for that very reason, which makes it probable we'll see 100+ with the new rules.
 
KingGlamis said:
88 lead changes last race means it was a competitive race. How many lead changes does the typical race have? Not that many.
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SpeedPagan said:
Yea, but how many of those lead changes were due to drivers fighting for position, or simply switching with one another so the "pusher car" can get some air?
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Keep in mind that NASCAR used to only count Lead Changes at the start/finish line now that they use the scoring lines around the track and count those we see Many more Documented lead changes than in the past.

100 Lead Changes? I think ISC's money is pretty safely stuffed away somewhere.
 
88, 87 & 88 lead changes @ the line these past three races here. 12 or 13 more is not to far out of the question IMO.

They don't use the scoring lines to count lead changes. They are only used to position the field in the event of a caution.
 
Ummmm, sorry I was'nt fully caffienated at the time.

The spring race was 188 laps had 26 lap leaders and 88 lead lap changes.

Here you can count them :D
J. Gordon 1-4, Bowyer 5, J. Gordon 6-9, Newman 10, Keselowski 11, Bowyer 12-13, Johnson 14, Bowyer 15-18, Kahne 19, Bowyer 20-21, Ragan 22, Ku. Busch 23, Ky. Busch 24-25, Ragan 26, Ky. Busch 27, Bowyer 28, Edwards 29, Bowyer 30-34, Logano 35, Bowyer 36, Ambrose 37, Kenseth 38-42, Logano 43, Smith 44-45, Burton 46-47, Biffle 48, Burton 49, Kenseth 50-51, Keselowski 52, Earnhardt Jr 53, Kenseth 54, Earnhardt Jr 55-56, Biffle 57-58, Bayne 59, Earnhardt Jr 60-63, Bayne 64-66, Earnhardt Jr 67-70, Bayne 71, Bowyer 72-75, Johnson 76-82, Newman 83, Johnson 84-88, Newman 89-92, Edwards 93, Martin 94, Menard 95-96, Bowyer 97, Ku. Busch 98-99, Blaney 100, Edwards 101-103, Ku. Busch 104-108, Bowyer 109-110, Ku. Busch 111-114, Smith 115, Bowyer 116, Smith 117, Bowyer 118, Blaney 119-121, Harvick 122, Ku. Busch 123-128, Edwards 129, Mears 130, Menard 131-132, Smith 133, Burton 134, Blaney 135-140, B. Labonte 141, Truex Jr 142, Harvick 143-146, Truex Jr 147, Ku. Busch 148, Harvick 149, Truex Jr 150, Harvick 151, Burton 152-153, McMurray 154, Blaney 155-157, Bowyer 158-168, Smith 169, Bowyer 170, Truex Jr 171-173, Blaney 174-177, Harvick 178-179, Blaney 180-183, Edwards 184, Bowyer 185, Edwards 186, J. Gordon 187, Johnson 188.

I still tend to think 100 lead lap changes in 188 laps is a bit of a stretch but keeping in mind NASCAR controls the race who knows? 100k isn't much for for them in exchange for ALOT of Hype.
 
Remember they have the larger restrictor plates plus the lower pressure coolant relief valve, so it could change up the race a lot. Obviously none of us know what is going to happen, but we "might" see a different style of race this time. I'm looking forward to it.
 
KingGlamis said:
Remember they have the larger restrictor plates plus the lower pressure coolant relief valve, so it could change up the race a lot. Obviously none of us know what is going to happen, but we "might" see a different style of race this time. I'm looking forward to it.
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more passing, i can't wait :owquitit:
 
The larger plate will make the cars run hot quicker and also make the switch easier and faster.

Cars in tandem will be 10 mph faster than single cars, so everyone will be working the switch in practice. Whoever perfects it could be running up front most of the day.
 
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