Absolutely Ridiculous.

Might just come down to money.

They probably figure what's the point of installing safer barriers in a place someone may not even crash at.
 
Y'know, I said the same thing when Gordon crashed at Vegas a few years ago, as I'm sure most of you did.

I don't know what motivator there would be to not have SAFER barriers everywhere other than money or sheer ignorance. Mind you, I obviously don't own a track or anything - I'm just a dude with an opinion posting on a message board.
 
They're definitely gona hear about it through social media.. I'm sure twitter is going off about it as we speak. I wouldn't be surprised if it was SAFER by tomorrow... definitely by the next race here at least.
 
They have no choice but to fix it right away, Hopefully Kyle sees to it
 
Mr. Gregory said:
Y'know, I said the same thing when Gordon crashed at Vegas a few years ago, as I'm sure most of you did.

I don't know what motivator there would be to not have SAFER barriers everywhere other than money or sheer ignorance. Mind you, I obviously don't own a track or anything - I'm just a dude with an opinion posting on a message board.
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They put safer barriers around that part where Gordon hit the next year I think.

Who's responsible for it, NASCAR or the track officials?

Seems to me its a combination of both.
 
reck said:
They put safer barriers around that part where Gordon hit the next year I think.

Who's responsible for it, NASCAR or the track officials?

Seems to me its a combination of both.
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NASCAR.. It should be mandatory at all NASCAR track for any event. If its not there... they shouldn't go. Leave the tracks no choice.
 
Look at this piece I found just now..

http://espn.go.com/racing/nascar/cup/story/_/id/9329545/jeff-gordon-renews-call-barriers-everywhere

Exerpts from the article..

"We're not the only thing that runs on a given facility," France said of NASCAR. "That's No. 1. If it's a motorcycle event, Moto GP, something else, which is contemplated being run at different facilities, that has to be considered.

"From NASCAR's standpoint, we look at that very carefully. We were all over the California circumstance. When we need to put additional SAFER barriers anywhere, we will do it. There's nothing that prevents us other than that we look at this, we think we have them in all the right places, and if we don't, we'll make an improvement, like anything else."

-Brian France

Gordon said there's only one reason there aren't barriers everywhere.

"Cost," he said. "There's only one reason. Cost. That's it."

I had it right. Its all about the money, as usual with NASCAR.
 
reck said:
Look at this piece I found just now..

http://espn.go.com/racing/nascar/cup/story/_/id/9329545/jeff-gordon-renews-call-barriers-everywhere

Exerpts from the article..

"We're not the only thing that runs on a given facility," France said of NASCAR. "That's No. 1. If it's a motorcycle event, Moto GP, something else, which is contemplated being run at different facilities, that has to be considered.

"From NASCAR's standpoint, we look at that very carefully. We were all over the California circumstance. When we need to put additional SAFER barriers anywhere, we will do it. There's nothing that prevents us other than that we look at this, we think we have them in all the right places, and if we don't, we'll make an improvement, like anything else."

-Brian France

Gordon said there's only one reason there aren't barriers everywhere.

"Cost," he said. "There's only one reason. Cost. That's it."

I had it right. Its all about the money, as usual with NASCAR.
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It's the only reason it could be. You can't sit down and say "a car won't hit there" cause they're not supposed to hit them anywhere! They do though, and at a track like Talladega known for speed and big wrecks they need to be everywhere. I'm sure they will be added where Kyle hit.
 
Kyle18fan said:
Mr France needs to put a higher value on the drivers lives. If a track isnt willing to install the barriers then Nascar shouldnt race there till they do.
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Uh, one of Mr. Frances Companies owns the Talladega track and boycotting a track has been tried and failed in the past.
 
Kyle nailed the gas and used the wall to ricochet across the finish line. I doubt nascar does anything other than fix the concrete.
 
Track owners pay for safety barriers , track drying equipment and everything else . In addition they pay Nascar a huge franchise fee for the priviledge of holding a Nascar event . When track attendence was at it's peak , it was still a liscence to print money . Now ,with declining attendence , some track owners are finding the profit margins getting narrower and narrower . That's no excuse for sacrificing safety , but they simply can't afford to do everything , including track repaving , reconfigurations , new garage and fan viewing areas , better fan access roads , more and more security ,etc., etc., etc . Calling Nascar morons is not helpful , in my humble opinion . Prehaps if you took twenty or thirty of your friends out to the next race ?
 
I'd have to agree, it's ridiculous and very dangerous that there are still parts of the tracks that don't have a SAFER barrier. I also agree that if a track doesn't have a SAFER barrier, NASCAR should take them out of the race schedule until they get it fixed.
 
I always hoped the introduction of the SAFER barrier in racing would motivate the installment of it on national highways. Nah, we'd rather drive cars with only 1 seat belt, no roll cages, no HANS, with safety standards up to 45 mph at an exess of 65 mph with trees on the side.
 
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The wall that Kyle Busch hit. Jeez that must've been a massive hit.....Does anyone know if Kyle Busch is okay?
 
SpeedPagan said:
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The wall that Kyle Busch hit. Jeez that must've been a massive hit.....Does anyone know if Kyle Busch is okay?
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Kyle's fine. He said he got out to sit down because there's so sense just sitting in a hot, wrecked racecar. Justin Lofton fractured his thumb.
 
SpeedPagan said:
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The wall that Kyle Busch hit. Jeez that must've been a massive hit.....Does anyone know if Kyle Busch is okay?
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He seemed to be............. looked shook up at first but looked good when he did interview. He had me worried when I saw him sitting against the wall.
 
ChexOrWrex said:
I always hoped the introduction of the SAFER barrier in racing would motivate the installment of it on national highways. Nah, we'd rather drive cars with only 1 seat belt, no roll cages, no HANS, with safety standards up to 45 mph at an exess of 65 mph with trees on the side.
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Prolly a bit of a convenience thing. Nobody wants to have to strap into a racing harness, it'll wrinkle clothes :p But seriously, it's funny how most people don't really take driving seriously. I love the idiots who text while going 80 on the highway, no realizing that they're literally piloting a 2 ton wrecking ball.

Same goes with NASCAR; thanks to a lot of the safety measures, fans don't really expect drivers to get hurt from wrecks anymore. NASCAR racing is still incredibly dangerous, and the prospects of driver injury or death should be frightening to any fan. The 4-wide race to the finish during last October's Talladega race was amazing, but the wreck was horrific. Nobody should want to see 25 cars wadded up at the end of a race...but its inevitable. Most fans enjoy the big pack racing at Dega and Daytona (myself included), but its still very scary when you really think about it. Anything can happen when you have that many cars that close to each other going 200 mph. Hopefully there wont be an issue like tonight's during the Cup race tomorrow, but that just seems like wishful thinking at this point.
 
Eric McClure, Michael Annett, Dale Jr., and Kyle Larson have already shown us within the last two years it's just a matter of time until another driver or fans die at one of these archaic giants.
 
If a driver dies after hitting a wall that doesn't have a SAFER barrier, wouldn't NASCAR be liable?
 
FLRacingFan said:
Eric McClure, Michael Annett, Dale Jr., and Kyle Larson have already shown us within the last two years it's just a matter of time until another driver or fans die at one of these archaic giants.
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A driver has just as much a chance of a fatal crash at a track like Charlotte as they do at dega. There are no safe tracks - some are just less dangerous
 
ChexOrWrex said:
A driver has just as much a chance of a fatal crash at a track like Charlotte as they do at dega. There are no safe tracks - some are just less dangerous
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Yes racing is dangerous and will always be dangerous. That doesn't mean that NASCAR and racing teams (drivers included) shouldn't take every safety precaution they can without sacrificing the racing. SAFER barrier on every wall in the track doesn't sacrifice the product of NASCAR, which is racing.
 
ChexOrWrex said:
A driver has just as much a chance of a fatal crash at a track like Charlotte as they do at dega. There are no safe tracks - some are just less dangerous
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Agree to disagree. A nasty wreck can happen almost anywhere but RP tracks have shown there's a much greater chance of one happening at those. But there's no doubt in my mind almost all tracks need more SAFER barriers.
 
SAFER barriers should be on every square inch of these walls.

BobbyFord said:
When is the last time you saw a 20 car pile-up at Charlotte? Or, someone on their roof at Charlotte?
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Well let's see off the top of my head of violent crashes at tracks like Charlotte are of course Gordon at Vegas and Charlotte (both in his Nicorette car oddly enough), McDowell's violent qualifying crash, Logano flipping several times at Dover, drivers breaking wrists at Bristol, Elliot Sadler & Jeff Gordon at pocono, Keselowski's astronaut impression at Atlanta, any many more in the modern era. So it doesn't matter what track. Each one has a potential for disaster & each one needs to be surrounded by something other than solid concrete (duh). These drivers are just so skilled that it rarely happens.
 
ChexOrWrex said:
SAFER barriers should be on every square inch of these walls.


Well let's see off the top of my head of violent crashes at tracks like Charlotte are of course Gordon at Vegas and Charlotte (both in his Nicorette car oddly enough), McDowell's violent qualifying crash, Logano flipping several times at Dover, drivers breaking wrists at Bristol, Elliot Sadler & Jeff Gordon at pocono, Keselowski's astronaut impression at Atlanta, any many more in the modern era. So it doesn't matter what track. Each one has a potential for disaster & each one needs to be surrounded by something other than solid concrete (duh). These drivers are just so skilled that it rarely happens.
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A lot of babble, but you answered neither of my (only) two questions.
 
BobbyFord said:
A lot of babble, but you answered neither of my (only) two questions.
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1. I said tracks like Charlotte. Read before you spit ****. 2. Examples of some of the hardest hits in NASCAR history in a thread about driver safety isn't babble, you inciting an argument is babble.

Now if you must know:

2010 all star race there was a large multi car wreck. Prob not quite 20 cars like you asked for my liege. The big flip I remember is mike skinner's truck race here where he got slammed in the dog leg and it turned him over.

Now are you done?
 
ChexOrWrex said:
1. I said tracks like Charlotte. Read before you spit ****. 2. Examples of some of the hardest hits in NASCAR history in a thread about driver safety isn't babble, you inciting an argument is babble.

Now if you must know:

2010 all star race there was a large multi car wreck. Prob not quite 20 cars like you asked for my liege. The big flip I remember is mike skinner's truck race here where he got slammed in the dog leg and it turned him over.

Now are you done?
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I'm not inciting anything. I'm calling BS on your comment that it doesn't matter the size of the track when serious injury or death is involved.
Plate tracks and the pack-style racing at them, is far more dangerous than tracks that do not have the same racing conditions.
 
If nascar really cared they would install safer barriers. No sense in beating a dead horse imo.

And am I the only one who found it ironic that Busch and Paludo are fine, but Lofton, who didnt flip or slam any walls got hurt?
 
Captain Coyfish said:
If nascar really cared they would install safer barriers. No sense in beating a dead horse imo.

And am I the only one who found it ironic that Busch and Paludo are fine, but Lofton, who didnt flip or slam any walls got hurt?
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How bad is Lofton hurt?
 
Captain Coyfish said:
If nascar really cared they would install safer barriers. No sense in beating a dead horse imo.

And am I the only one who found it ironic that Busch and Paludo are fine, but Lofton, who didnt flip or slam any walls got hurt?
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Look at Dales fatal crash at Daytona ............ it didnt look that bad but we know the result :(
 
I don't doubt that the lack of SAFER barriers is all about the money.

Lest we forget, however:


The nasty court battle between Brian and Megan France has come to an end.

Documents showed that Brian France was worth half a billion dollars with homes in Charlotte and Florida, in addition he was entitled to three condos in Los Angeles worth $4 million, three condos in Florida worth $1.8 million, a condo in New York’s Central Park valued at $10.6 million; even the maid gets a $780,000 condo.

from here


Between holding back the new track drying equipment this past year and the lack of adequate SAFER barriers at a number of tracks, for the life of me, I just don't know what this guy is thinking.
 
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