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smack500

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I hope nascar, and the fans that wanted the change are happy. Kurt and his team did what they had to win thats fine congrats to them. But this new points system is a crock, its all about entertainment. How in the world can you win the championship and have less wins, top 5s, top 10s, and more dnfs then 3 of your closest competitors. Congrats to nascar for being the new wwf

I have a quit a bit more words for nascar aswell, but this is a family forum, so Ill keep my mouth shut.
 
Aww, come on Smack............it was a great season and the new points system made it that way!! Jeff had a very good chance of winning his 5th and he gave it it all...........but Kurt's efforts were just a bit better!! :) Jeff's going to get his 5th.........but it will be sometime next season or later!! :) Entertainment..........that is really what it's all about anyway!! Good season..........great finale!! Congratulations to Kurt Busch, Jimmie Johnson, Jeff Gordon and all the "Chasers"...........on to next season!!! :bounce: :bounce:
 
Don't be such a sore loser Smack. The rules are made by the same powers that gave a lot of other racecar drivers wins that had doubht.
 
No, sorry there is nothing you can say to me to make me believe this change was for good, when comparing busch's stats to his competitors. Nascar is just like wwf/wwe now they make decisions based on how much entertainment it will provide and nothing else. Fact is the guys that showed the most skill this season didnt win.

Also jeff not winning does not influence my complaining, I actually thought jimmie deserved more then anyone. Also I have been complaining about this all year.
 
Well, gee, you mean you'd watch races with no entertainment value at all?

Get real, there are things I didn't like either this year, but I gotta admit even ending at one of the most vanilla tracks in the USA---this was a barn burner!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Sorry I just had it my mind the guy who drove the best and showed the most skill all seasson was the champion guess I was wrong. Looks like fans are changing as well, seems most of you would be happy with scripted events if it provided alot more entertainment.
 
smack500 said:
Sorry I just had it my mind the guy who drove the best and showed the most skill all seasson was the champion guess I was wrong. Looks like fans are changing as well, seems most of you would be happy with scripted events if it provided alot more entertainment.
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The same could be said about many drivers Smack. I for one of few around here feel that Mark has erned your standards of a cup trophy. :wink:
 
Someone with stats please find me another champion in history that had less wins, top 5s, top 10s, and more dnfs then some of his competitors and still won the cup.
 
smack500 said:
Someone with stats please find me another champion in history that had less wins, top 5s, top 10s, and more dnfs then some of his competitors and still won the cup.
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It don't matter, Smack.........it was a good finale to a good season!! The best man and team won under the rules being used at the time!! Actually, it don't get any better!! :beerbang:
 
I'm with Smack (damn never thunk id ever say that)

This new points system is BS! but i have done showed my rear and am goin to shut up!
 
If Gordon, or Jimmy would have won I trust you would crow a bit better about the points system Smack.
 
I think the champion is the guy that proved to be the best, otherwise being champion doesnt mean as much to me. Im done with nascar, my last post on the general nascar chat forum, and last time I watch a nascar race. Cya on the other forums folks, hope you enjoy your entertainment while your at it you should turn wrestleing on sometime I have a feeling youll enjoy it.
 
You might be right right about someone else Bunchy..........but, not Smack!! He's iron headed.........and somewhat consistent!! :) You gotta love the kid.........I'm just glad our little game of "avatars" didn't include this race!! Man, I can only imagine what I would have to wear for an ID during the off season!! :eek: :eek:
 
don't get any better? my boy could have won and that would have been better.......FOR ME... :beerbang: :beerbang: :D
 
You can't do that Smack.........who gonna give my avatars next season? :confused: :(
 
Same old stuff around here Wrangman. I have to agree the points system left a lot to be desired. But Smack should take things with a little less salt. Hell it's Nascar, come to expect the unexpected.
 
My goodness---griping about scripted shoew and then recommending WRESTLING????????????????????????????? :eek: :eek: :eek:

Bubba, I used to watch wrestling back when it was real---haven't watched it in over 25 years----all script and no fact.

Also have seen NASCAR races when the winner was the only car on the lead lap---that was kinda boring, as I recall.

Sports change---I don't like a lot of the changes in NASCAR---but I think they are listening---there are more changes coming---I feel those changes will be much better!!! :beerbang: :beerbang:
 
I just can't help it either. I may be crazy, but I always felt that consistancy was it's own reward. You gotta be consistant to stay at the top!!!!!

As Smack500 pointed out; just look at the years performance stats for the top 5 contenders................... make up your own mind.

Guess that's one reason I like the short tracks. They aren't scripted, and the winner is the guy that fought the hardest with the equipment he had and crossed the finish line first!!!!!
 
And the guys on the mid and super speedways didn't fight hard with what they had and cross the finish line first? :D
 
Fellas, this is the new era of NASCAR. It is what it is, and there is nothing we can do about it. You might not like it, I might not like it, many may love it, and many may hate it, but it's not going to change. If ya don't like it, don't watch it.
 
Aw come on Smack, it wasn't all that bad. Many of us STILL don't care all that much for the C4C, and it's NOT gonna change. I HATE WWE, and despite the changes NASCASH has made, this season sure wasn't boreing.
 
It appears the teams will have to adapt to 2 different segments of consistency. first make it into the top ten and second be extremly consistant during the last 10.
 
racer8 said:
It appears the teams will have to adapt to 2 different segments of consistency. first make it into the top ten and second be extremly consistant during the last 10.
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Yep........that pretty much sums it all up! :) And a true Championship team will do just that..........note the current (and newest) Championship team!! :D :beerbang:
 
smack500 said:
I think the champion is the guy that proved to be the best, otherwise being champion doesnt mean as much to me. Im done with nascar, my last post on the general nascar chat forum, and last time I watch a nascar race. Cya on the other forums folks, hope you enjoy your entertainment while your at it you should turn wrestleing on sometime I have a feeling youll enjoy it.
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Really, Take a deep breathe. The world still goes around. Do you really think the drivers are at fault for the new points system? No matter what system is in place our favorite drivers will be there to race. No matter what NASCAR does I will be there to support them. The best always does not win. An NFL team can go 16-0 and lose in the first round of the playoffs. A MLB team can go 182-0 and get swept in the post season. A race car driver can take the pole, lead every practice, lead the entire race, and blow a motor on the last lap and lose the race. Everyone knew exactely what the rules were at the beginning of the season. Coulda, shoulda, woulda, The best man won given the rules that were in place. Smack, if you are so serious about leaving behind the sport then I think you are a tad bit over sensational but that is just my opinion.
 
Jeff Gordon did win as the "true" Champion as He compiled the most points over an entire 36 race season.wink.He also had the most Top 10's with 25 Top 10's.

Nevermind the contrived C4C format and NASCAR's crowned Champion.
 
24thunder said:
Jeff Gordon did win as the "true" Champion as He compiled the most points over an entire 36 race season.wink.He also had the most Top 10's with 25 Top 10's.

Nevermind the contrived C4C format and NASCAR's crowned Champion.
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"true" Champion= The one with the trophy. ;)
 
I agree with you there Buck. The record book will reflect Kurt Busch as the 2004 NC champ. The third place finisher will likely be overlooked . Like it or not---and I have not one thing against the Hendrick guys---but Kurt simply stepped up the most when it was all on the line. Every chase contender KNEW what they had to do to win the title, Kurt simply did it ever so slightly better. He took the rules Nascar created and made them work to his advantage.

Smack is my bud, and I KNOW his anger and disappointment is aimed at the sanctioning body itself more than at any driver. Smack also really knows this sport and has a passion for it...I hate to see us as fans lose a guy like that.

Which is a little beside the point, I guess. Nothing any of us say or do, like it or hate it, is going to change the name on that trophy.


If anyone else wanted to win it, they should have ran better than Kurt during the last ten races: when it counted most.

KURT BUSCH--and no one else---is the 2004 NC true champion.
 
97forever said:
I agree with you there Buck. The record book will reflect Kurt Busch as the 2004 NC champ. The third place finisher will likely be overlooked . Like it or not---and I have not one thing against the Hendrick guys---but Kurt simply stepped up the most when it was all on the line. Every chase contender KNEW what they had to do to win the title, Kurt simply did it ever so slightly better. He took the rules Nascar created and made them work to his advantage.

Smack is my bud, and I KNOW his anger and disappointment is aimed at the sanctioning body itself more than at any driver. Smack also really knows this sport and has a passion for it...I hate to see us as fans lose a guy like that.

Which is a little beside the point, I guess. Nothing any of us say or do, like it or hate it, is going to change the name on that trophy.

If anyone else wanted to win it, they should have ran better than Kurt during the last ten races: when it counted most.

KURT BUSCH--and no one else---is the 2004 NC true champion.
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well said 97, the teams knew about the points change well before the season started. this was not a midseason rule change that nascar is famous for.
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The guys that came close and didn't quite make it seem to be handling it rather well. No crying, bawling or whining. Congratulations to them on a well run season and good luck next year.
 
Why is it entertainment though?
For that matter, hasn't it always been?

Eg:
An NFL team sneaks into the playoffs with an 8-8 record. If they actually go on to win the championship, does that cheapen the NFL? Lots of teams have won the Superbowl with lesser records than the team they defeated. Same with Baseball...... and Hockey, but who really cares about that one. :)

Maybe if Nascar came right out and said, "We're gonna have a playoff system." instead of calling it The Chase, we would find it easier to swallow.

BTW, Smack. Halflife 2 Rocks!!!!!!!!
 
Steve007 said:
Why is it entertainment though?
For that matter, hasn't it always been?

Eg:
An NFL team sneaks into the playoffs with an 8-8 record. If they actually go on to win the championship, does that cheapen the NFL? Lots of teams have won the Superbowl with lesser records than the team they defeated. Same with Baseball...... and Hockey, but who really cares about that one. :)

Maybe if Nascar came right out and said, "We're gonna have a playoff system." instead of calling it The Chase, we would find it easier to swallow.

BTW, Smack. Halflife 2 Rocks!!!!!!!!
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"The chase" isn't a play-off system though as there are no drivers/teams eliminated each week as is done in the NFL till there are only 2 teams left to play the Superbowl.Although NASCAR has eliminated around 33 teams in one weekend.NASCAR would have to find a way to eliminate 41 teams to get the same desired end result. :growl:
 
Okay, it's not a playoff system in it's trueist sense. But, it's closer than what it was.

Still tho, why is that so "WWE"?
 
smack500 said:
Someone with stats please find me another champion in history that had less wins, top 5s, top 10s, and more dnfs then some of his competitors and still won the cup.
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Smack, I know you have said yer done here, but just in case you want to check back, here's what happened in 1992 between three drivers and their stats.

Alan Kulwicki finished 1st that year with 2 wins, 11 top 5's and 17 top 10's.
Bill Elliott finished 2nd that year with 5 wins, 14 top 5's and 17 top 10's.
Davey Allison finished 3rd that year with 5 wins, 15 top 5's and 17 top 10's.

None of them had a DNF, but their average finish was Kulwicki at 10.5, Elliott at 10.8 and Allison at 11.1.

Up until this year, that was the closest race to the finish in NASCAR. It all boiled down to one lap at Atlanta. Elliott won that race and had he stayed out on the track for one more lap, instead of pitting when he did, he would have won the title. Kulwicki, by using smarter strategy, got the title because he led more laps than Elliott.

There are other examples, but I don't think that you would change your mind if it happened every year. You simply don't like the new system, and there are plenty like you. I hope you don't switch to the NBA for your sports entertainment, but then again, it's all about entertainment...right. :)
 
Well said 97. :beerbang: :beerbang: :beerbang: :beerbang:

I still don't like the C4C but I'm not going to call anyone but Kurt Busch the true 2004 Nextel Cup Champion. He earned it by the rules laid out before the season started, so HE is the true Champion. Period!! :cool:
 
Im just going to post once more in this section on the forum to thank 97forever for his respectfull post in this thread. I would also like to emphisize that I mean no disrepect towards kurt busch and his team they did what they needed to under the current rules to win. Im aggrivated with nascar admin for sticking with this POS point system. And I wont stand by and be a fan of it.

Just to respond to a few people aswell. Why do I say nascar is becoming more like the WWE? because it makes a majority of its decisions based on how much entertainment it will bring, something the wwe is very public about doing. And yes, even though we watch sports for entertainment, there are lines that shouldnt be crossed to bring about more entertainment. Lower the standards to win a cup is one of those imo, not to mention how it affects guys ouside the top 10 (Ex. jamie mcmurrary) .

Also you cannot compare nfl,mlb, and others to nascar. Nascar is 43 drivers/teams out there at every race, in these other sports you compare its 1vs1 teams every week. To me what would be more comparible is if during the superbowl the team that scored the most in the last quarter won the game, even though they didnt score the most overall the whole game.

In reply to buckaroo you see that alan has the same amount of top 10s, and also thats not the point compare kurts average finish to his 3 closest competitors. This also isnt just about the champion compare jamie mcmurray to the 4 guys above him.

Oh well have fun, enjoy the sport if you agree with whats being done. I just have no respect left for the sport anymore, nor does the cup mean is much to me. Ill leave with a 1 finger salute to brian france, and the whole nextel/ nascar crew.
 
I'm about as big a Jeff gordon fan as there is out there, and I thought Kurt deserved the championship and won it fair and square. I thought Jeff drove better over the course of the year, and I was dang proud of his (and Jimmie's) efforts at Homestead. I also thought Jimmie did a better job of driving than Kurt too.

But as I have stated over and over again, they all knew the rules going into the season. Kurt just played the game better than those two did. Which is exactly what he should have done.

Congrats to Kurt and the whole 97 team.
 
I am sick of all the bitching and moaning. As someone already said, this is the way it is and it isn't changing any time soon, so why nag on incessantly about it?

I simply do NOT understand why this new chase is so bad. I'm a new fan and lemme tell you, there is -0- incentive to watch the championship if it's practically clinched in the last 7 races or so. Who ever cared about Homestead or the last race before this season? I've talked to lots of old-time fans who didn't give a crap about it. Forget "entertainment" here, it simply rewards the top 10 throughout the season for -consistently- good driving.

I like Dale Jarret and he didn't make it in the top 10 and that doesn't make me question this points system. NASCAR wants money and TV ratings. That is NOT an evil thing. If we were in the position to make LITERALLLY millions, we wouldn't mind making some changes, especially if they are not THAT damaging to the sport (no matter WHAT you anti-chase guys argue, you aren't changing my mind). Maybe if more people watch NASCAR I won't get called a hick (yeah, I've been called a redneck for watching NASCAR) and it'll get a better reputation as entertainment for everyone.

Let's be a bit progressive people, I'm sure lotsa people bitched about how NASCAR was dying back when the dirt tracks were lost.
 
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