Ambrose in the lead and Robby in 2ed

NASCAR IS AN EMBARASSMENT.


ALL OF THE OFFICIALS CAN GO KILL THEMSELVES NOW. :beerbang:
 
Look at the video on Nascar.com

Robby is in the lead and the yellow is waving and Ambrose spins Robby.

Robby should be in the lead and Ambrose should get a penalty for spinning someone out.


Nascar = no cred
 
Robby is NOT innocent... he may have been spun under yellow and should have let his team and NASCAR deal with it... instead, he replied with 1) return spin under yellow, 2) failing to yield to NASCAR restart positition, 3) deliberately spinning another under green, 4)failing to yield multiple black flags, and 5) taking finishing position from more than one driver... no.. NASCAR should park him... he is dangerous! Just because you are are an alleged victim of something does not mean taking matters in to your own hands and deliberately trying to hurt other is o.k.... Ignoring rules does not make him cool or a hero... he is dangerous and should be parked!!!
Nestamayfield

Robby's deliberate attacks (both) were acts of aggression and dangerous... that is no way to respond... and ignoring subsequent rules should get him booted!
nestamayfield

Robby behavior is unsafe and child-like... NASCAR needs to park him for multiple violations and irrational behavior
nestamayfield

??? Robby's behavior is violent, stupid and dangerous... he should have addressed initial spin like an adult or professional... not hitting him twice and ignoring rules.
nestamayfield
 
I can't believe I even watched qualifying of this race and then while waiting for the commercials to be over when there was a caution from oil on the track, I FELL ASLEEP!!!!!!!!!!!!! I missed the whole mess!!!!!!! My husband told me what happened and I managed to catch a brief clip of it on a Nascar news show. OY....... My husband said I looked like I was getting all comfy for a long nap..... uh NO...... I was waiting for the racing to start again!!! I'm going to have to tell him that under no circumstance should he left me sleep when I've watched a whole race and dose off when there's something like 10 laps left or so. Uggh!!!!!!!
 
I think Robby was robbed of the lead by NASCAR. To me the problem for him is he should not have spun Ambrose (obviously against the rules :rolleyes:) and that hurt his credibility in protesting the results of the race. If he doesn't hit Ambrose and just finishes the race he could then challange NASCAR and fight for his right to be named the winner. ...not that it really matters now
 
And I think that is what many will say in the days to come. Like I said, what he did was very entertaining from my point of view. I laughed my ass off when he was burning down the house next to happy. But really, what other driver out there would have handled himself the same way? Maybe a few others at most? I really do understand where Robby is coming from. I really think he got robbed unless NASCAR can explain to me better then what the rule book says. The rule book needs to have an addendum added:


Once the field is frozen, all cars must maintain cautious pace in order to be scored. Addendum:Should a competitors pace slow or stop due to circumstances beyond their control they will be given a reasonable opportunity to regain their position.


That is the problem here. NASCAR had their face buried in the rule book and did not think outside of the box.
 
And you all think Kurt Busch is dangerous!!!!!! Robbie is 100 times more dangerous than any other driver out there. Mabey NASCAR should put an electronic kill switch in his car.
 
Before jumping to conclusions, remember the Durham County Prosecutor who accused three young men of rape. The headlines had these lads tried and convicted, in the press and with public opinion, the President of Duke University expelling them closing down the remained of the lacrosse season, all based on speculation.

On road courses, a yellow flag does not necessarily mean full course caution. There is the possibility the flag person displayed the yellow as a warning to other cars of the Gordon / Ambrose incident, unaware of the other wreck taking place behind them as yet.

Until NASCAR proves when the full course yellow caution was displayed, it is easy to assume the yellow seen in the replay as Gordon spun, was a full course caution.

Either way, NASCAR should have thrown a red flag until this was sorted out.
After nearly sixty years sanctioning NASCAR races and officiating same, one might think NASCAR had a handle on things.

Robbie stood his ground and even if he is suspended from the Pocono race, he will bring attention to the inadequacy of officiating by NASCAR.

Unlike Tony Stewart who shoots off his mouth then backpedals or blames everyone else for situations he creates, my guess is, Robbie will stand firm, take his lumps and hopefully, protest with the goal of promoting necessary changes in NASCAR officiating proceedure for future events.
 
Whizzer said:
Until NASCAR proves when the full course yellow caution was displayed, it is easy to assume the yellow seen in the replay as Gordon spun, was a full course caution.
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I will note that I am not arguing with Da Whiz, as I believe him to be next to God in wisdom, but I will say that the caution light had switched on on the TV before they switched to the 7/59 wreck, which usually means full course caution. Going by that logic, then the wreck (which I believe was unintentional) was under caution. Rules should apply and Ambrose should have been in trouble OR at the least, Robby should have been given 2nd or even first.
 
that should be correct.

Also, muggle, since i'd like to think you have road course rule books memorized, what exactly are the rules under a local yellow? I think, since a flag was displayed, regardless of full course or not, that area was under yellow, which means regular yellow rles apply only in the section..wouldnt that mean no passing, no spinning, ect?
 
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Oh, no. Its not Robby's fault. Nothing is ever Robby's Fault. I'm sure the NASCAR officials were blinded by the shine off of his halo.
 
N2racin44 said:
That is the problem here. NASCAR had their face buried in the rule book and did not think outside of the box.
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NASCAR didn't obey the rule book - they wrote the rules as it went along.

Pocono 2004 is the instance I can come up with when a driver wrecked another under caution. NASCAR penalized the car wrecking another under yellow and did not force (Kenseth?) to the back of the line.
 
From what I have seen to this point Robbie should have been in 1st. Whether Ambrose should have been penalized for spinning Robbie is subject to interpretation as we've all seen it go both ways.
But, once Robbie lost his appeal on the track and was ordered back behind the 33 and he refused the race should have been red flagged and if necessary a tow truck called out to remove Robbie from the track. Cause yes we all knew what he was going to do. Would Ambrose have won, who knows and frankly I don't even care. Kevin spinning Pruett was not out of the ordinary when you look at how they were stacked up and I don't really see a penalty there.
This could get interesting. I just wish it had been one of the "big" boys. Maybe HMS, Rousch or Gibbs. Then it couldn't be ignored. But, with Robbie it probably will be and then we all lose.
 
barelypure said:
From what I have seen to this point Robbie should have been in 1st. Whether Ambrose should have been penalized for spinning Robbie is subject to interpretation as we've all seen it go both ways.
But, once Robbie lost his appeal on the track and was ordered back behind the 33 and he refused the race should have been red flagged and if necessary a tow truck called out to remove Robbie from the track. Cause yes we all knew what he was going to do. Would Ambrose have won, who knows and frankly I don't even care. Kevin spinning Pruett was not out of the ordinary when you look at how they were stacked up and I don't really see a penalty there.
This could get interesting. I just wish it had been one of the "big" boys. Maybe HMS, Rousch or Gibbs. Then it couldn't be ignored. But, with Robbie it probably will be and then we all lose.
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And thats exactly why there are "Robby rules" and rules for everyone else. Had that been a big name in the sport instead of Robby NASCRAP would never have ruled the way it did.
 
Dave Despain on Wind Tunnel had video tape and the pictures clearly show a full course caution was out when Robbie passed Ambrose.
At the very least, Robbie should have been placed in second position.

NASCAR screwed up big time in front of the rest of the world !!!!

NASCAR responded to DeSpains question of Gordon's placement to thirteenth position instead of second, being for not racing at caution flag speed when he passed Ambrose, thereby admitting the caution was already out. Although I do not recall the entire response by NASCAR, it contained several contradictions.

Just about the time NASCAR gains some credibility, they revert to the past when a select few were afforded favorite status.

This should be about integrity and treating all teams the same. NASCAR says they want equity, to be a family sport, for the playing field to be level and fair.
The incident at Montreal certainly showed NASCAR is really not interested in integrity, family values, fairness, or equality.

It does give sport fans who question the legitimacy of auto racing as a sport, support for their position.

Of course, NASCAR doesn't care as the controversy resulting from this fiasco has created and will bring in more fans rather than establishing integrity to legitimize the sport of auto racing and that is unfortunate for the ones who play by the rules and work hard to show NASCAR auto racing is a first class sport.

This situation is like the sheriff (NASCAR) who came to town to restore order and shot himself in the foot.
 
NASCAR rules state that if a car comes to a stop under caution and is passed by other cars, that car loses those spots. That is the rule and they enforced it.

Having said that, the rule needs to be changed since they now freeze the field. They enforced the right rule, it's now a bad rule.

Regardless of whether Robby was right or wrong as to where he should go, he was wrong for disobeying NASCAR's orders, he was wrong for wrecking Ambrose, and he was wrong for showing up Harvick by doing his own burn out. Two wrongs don't make it right.
 
But Carpentier did a burn out as well. He finished 2nd??. Was he wrong to do that as well...
 
http://www.robbygordon.com/cms/publish/article_911.shtml

Long Pond, PA (August 5, 2007) – I want to start by expressing my regrets to the sponsors, fans, and all competitors for any part I played in the miscommunication, confusion and uncertainty surrounding the finish in this weekend’s Busch race in Montreal. Immediately following the last caution when I was spun out by the 59 car, at first I was told that I was scored in first place and I should be in that position. Later, I was told that I was in second place and I assumed that position, which was fine. Moments before the green flag dropped, I was told that I was scored in 13th position.



Obviously I objected, and I stated that I would complete the race under protest. I believed that my protest would be a foregone conclusion if I moved to position 13. I was confident that most people who watched the race or see the replay would agree that I should have been scored in first or second. I also wanted to make sure that the race played out the way it should if the officials ultimately agreed with me after seeing the tape and granted my protest. Therefore, I decided to preserve the status quo by holding the second position and racing from that position to the end of the race. My belief was that it would be no harm no foul if my protest was denied because I would then be disqualified in the race regardless. On the other hand, if I moved to position 13 and my protest was granted, then the race results would be affected. In order to preserve the integrity of my protest, I decided to stay in second position.



It was not my purpose to disrespect the authority of NASCAR or the officials. I do respect their authority to run the race and make the calls, and I understand the significance of the black flag. I strongly disagree with the calls that affected me at the end of the race. Being spun under the yellow and not being allowed to resume my position prior to the spin put me in a position to react as I did. Nonetheless, I accept NASCAR’s decision and I intend to move forward under the rules.
 
You know if he hadn't spun Ambrose I could easily buy this excuse. But as it is his argument holds no water. Perhaps if he had waited until later and not right at the restart I might be able to believe he was racing for position.
No Robbie, you were PO'd and you meant to take out Marcos. Your excuses afterwards is just to stave off further penalty.
 
I wonder who

wrote that piece for Yucko. It is neatly done. However those who were watching and KNOW how Yucko operates knew in advance what was about to happen. Yucko will always be yucko... he ain't gonna change his spots.
I'm waiting on pins and needles, on the edge of this chair till all the results come in. C'mon NASCAR c'boy up!:D
Betsy;)
 
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