Another Danica thread :)

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Okay, I know for some of you, just the mention of Danica is hateful, but one of our member's reply to another thread prodded me to start another conversation.

The reasons for disliking her are numerous and to each his own. But, just as my wife mentioned to me, and the main reason for starting this conversation, why do people think that Danica is such a good driver? So she won one race in the Indy series, so what! I told her that I can name a big number of drivers in that series that never won a race, rain shortened or what. Then I told her that I can name even more drivers in NASCAR that have never won in the top series yet they are still trying to make the big show. One particular driver that is pretty popular moved up to the Cup series at the same time as two other guys who have between them, five Cup titles and many wins, yet this guy has yet to win one single Cup win. Saying that Danica's win in Japan was a fluke, while that might be true, it also says the same for any number of wins in NASCAR that ended the same way. A win is a win, no matter if it's rain shortened, a fuel mileage win or a win after the fact based on NASCAR's rules. In the end, people forget about the circumstances about the win, UNLESS its Danica.

A question for any Tony Stewart fan, which I am one of them, what do you think of his fuel mileage wins? Some of those have attributed to him winning the championship. Should he give them back?
 
Danica isn't a great, or even good cup driver, just like most rookies. She is coming into this with the right mindset, unlike many open wheelers before her. She also has as much talent as most cup rookies.

Tony should thank Keselowski for teaching him how to kick the clutch and save gas.
 
It's like Danica's pole .Forty two of the top drivers in North America tried and failed to accomplish it. Including the favorite drivers of the fans who will belittle the accomplishment.
 
I can't really put a finger on why I like Danica, but I do. She actually kind of seems like a snobby little brat, but I just always liked watching her run in the Indy cars, and now I want to see her succeed in Nascar. And like you, I also think a win is a win. And even if I wasn't a Tony Stewart fan, I still don't think he should have to give them back.
 
buckaroo said:
Saying that Danica's win in Japan was a fluke, while that might be true, it also says the same for any number of wins in NASCAR that ended the same way. A win is a win, no matter if it's rain shortened, a fuel mileage win or a win after the fact based on NASCAR's rules. In the end, people forget about the circumstances about the win, UNLESS its Danica.

A question for any Tony Stewart fan, which I am one of them, what do you think of his fuel mileage wins? Some of those have attributed to him winning the championship. Should he give them back?
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Her win is a win and it counts like every other win, there is no denying that. Fuel mileage races still count in my eyes. Rain shortened wins are another story to me(ex. Joey Logano)

Here's where I'll make my point, yes her win counts but 1 win in 115 races is still a horrible statistic.
 
Fuel mileage wins are a part of any racing at any level, it is part of the strategy involved and shouldn't detract from any win. As for Danica, she is still on the learning curve, once she gets a full season in the books, then I think she should be judged for her ability in Nascar. I think she proved that she could compete with the top drivers in Indy car by running in the top ten in points for most of her career there.
 
The other argument when it comes to fuel mileage wins is that when you do it 1 time and that is your only win it does put a bit of an asterisk on it. If you go out and win multiple times, whether it's another fuel mileage race or a clean win then it proves that it was more then just a lucky/fluke win.
 
As far as her win record, one thing to remember is that very few winners came from outside Penske or Ganassi during the last few years.

That said, I think there's way too much hype, and her interviews are waaaay too long, but I like her fire, and I like to see her (and other newcomers) do well.

I'll also add that she seems to be adapting quicker than Sam Hornish did.
 
I like Danica because she brings something different to nascar...like Jeff Gordon did....back in the day.
Danica already has a pole in her first NW race full time....
 
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I'm just sick of the unrelenting press coverage of Danica. Was listening to ESPN radio around noonish to catch any race updates and it was all Danica Patrick. I thought shewas the only one in the race.
 
I don't hate Danica. I hate the fact that the media ignores every other driver when she's on the track. I understand why they do it, but they go to extremes.
 
be9ak7ts16 said:
I'm just sick of the unrelenting press coverage of Danica. Was listening to ESPN radio around noonish to catch any race updates and it was all Danica Patrick. I thought shewas the only one in the race.
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I agree. I don't mind her coming to NASCAR, but I said a few years back it would all be a media circus. I am sick of her every move being recorded, on how she feels after something happens on the track. Sure that wreck the other day was mean looking, but did that wreck really deserve being on Nightly news. Michael McDowell had the most horrific crash ever a few years ago at Texas, did he get mainstream media coverage on the crash and a interview to see how he felt? Welcome to NASCAR Danica, I hope for you the best. But media please back off. I am sick of hearing her name already.
 
GREAT AMERICAN RACE FAN said:
I agree. I don't mind her coming to NASCAR, but I said a few years back it would all be a media circus. I am sick of her every move being recorded, on how she feels after something happens on the track. Sure that wreck the other day was mean looking, but did that wreck really deserve being on Nightly news. Michael McDowell had the most horrific crash ever a few years ago at Texas, did he get mainstream media coverage on the crash and a interview to see how he felt? Welcome to NASCAR Danica, I hope for you the best. But media please back off. I am sick of hearing her name already.
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If I remember correctly, he got some mainstream press for that as well. But you're point is correct. Too much is too much, we don't need to know her feelings on every little thing.
 
I love Danica. I hope she does well. And just because the media chooses to focus on her shouldn't be held against her. The hype will settle soon enough. But hell, Jr is still super duper hyped and he's one 1 race in 5 or 6 years.
 
Matthew2470 said:
I love Danica. I hope she does well. And just because the media chooses to focus on her shouldn't be held against her. The hype will settle soon enough. But hell, Jr is still super duper hyped and he's one 1 race in 5 or 6 years.
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Right on . How can you blame Danica for what the media does ?
 
look at all the coverage Pastrami on rye got...got last year...did he even make one race????NO!! I'd rather have coverage of Danica...someone that takes racing seriously...then coverage of some clown. Maybe he'll break another ankle before Richmond
 
Bucky Badger said:
look at all the coverage Pastrami on rye got...got last year...did he even make one race???? Is the dumb @ss even coming back? I'd rather have coverage of Danica...someone that takes racing seriously...then coverage of some clown.
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Oh pleeze , the man broke his arm in like fifteen places , he's lucky to come back at all. Give a guy a break.You must be a riot at the VA hospital.:D
 
Bucky Badger said:
look at all the coverage Pastrami on rye got...got last year...did he even make one race???? Is the dumb @ss even coming back? I'd rather have coverage of Danica...someone that takes racing seriously...then coverage of some clown.
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Here is his schedule for this year...

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nasca...012-nascar-nationwide-schedule-173136103.html

He broke his right ankle last year so that's why he never raced. I've never been a huge fan of his racing ability cause his motocross/supercross racing career never impressed me as he never won a 250cc motocross/supercross race but he's won quite a few gold medals in the x-games.
 
ted@economy said:
Right on . How can you blame Danica for what the media does ?
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The problem I have is that she gets coverage solely because she takes her clothes off. You don't see Johanna Long taking all her clothes off, and you also don't see her getting a second of coverage either.

Bucky Badger said:
look at all the coverage Pastrami on rye got...got last year...did he even make one race????NO!! I'd rather have coverage of Danica...someone that takes racing seriously...then coverage of some clown. Maybe he'll break another ankle before Richmond
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Goody. I get to deal with Pastramimania.
 
StewartHaas-Gibbs Racing said:
Her win is a win and it counts like every other win, there is no denying that. Fuel mileage races still count in my eyes. Rain shortened wins are another story to me(ex. Joey Logano)

Here's where I'll make my point, yes her win counts but 1 win in 115 races is still a horrible statistic.
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So if 1 win in 115 races is horrible what is 0 wins in like 200 races?

BTW I watched her race in Indy for the last 2 years and never once did I see her take herself or another driver out of the race by wrecking, unlike other drivers in the series she on most part brought her race car back without a scratch on it in almost every race.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
The problem I have is that she gets coverage solely because she takes her clothes off. You don't see Johanna Long taking all her clothes off, and you also don't see her getting a second of coverage either.



Goody. I get to deal with Pastramimania.
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Andy, didn't she get some pretty good coverage in Indy Car before she took her clothes off?
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
The problem I have is that she gets coverage solely because she takes her clothes off. You don't see Johanna Long taking all her clothes off, and you also don't see her getting a second of coverage either.
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But she races for a sub par team that is barely above a start and park team. If she was racing for any top team then she would get more coverage. She's a non-factor. That's just reality.
 
StewartHaas-Gibbs Racing said:
But she races for a sub par team that is barely above a start and park team. If she was racing for any top team then she would get more coverage. She's a non-factor. That's just reality.
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That's not true either. Jennifer Jo Cobb got plenty of coverage from SPEED and ESPN. Of course, some of that was because of her "I'm not gonna start and park" tantrum, where she then decided to start and park in the very next race like she has always done.

Danica wasn't in the race and Jo was in the top ten and Danica still got all the coverage. Besides, Jo is the better driver, and much better looking than pancakes.
 
Sorry, Andy but I think you are completely incapable of being objective when it comes to Danica. Your posts regarding her are off the mark and extremely childish. I hope your professional writing is less ridiculous than your posts on this forum.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
That's not true either. Jennifer Jo Cobb got plenty of coverage from SPEED and ESPN. Of course, some of that was because of her "I'm not gonna start and park" tantrum, where she then decided to start and park in the very next race like she has always done.

Danica wasn't in the race and Jo was in the top ten and Danica still got all the coverage. Besides, Jo is the better driver, and much better looking than pancakes.
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Cobb has never had a top 10 in the nationwide series and she's never in great equipment and Long is in the same boat. Why would you expect these 2 to get coverage when they are going to be towards the back of the pack the majority of the races?
 
StewartHaas-Gibbs Racing said:
Cobb has never had a top 10 in the nationwide series and she's never in great equipment and Long is in the same boat. Why would you expect these 2 to get coverage when they are going to be towards the back of the pack the majority of the races?
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Cobb DID get a lot of coverage. And Johanna Long just made her first career Nationwide Series start.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
Cobb DID get a lot of coverage. And Johanna Long just made her first career Nationwide Series start.
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Cobb got a lot of coverage because she opened her mouth and caused some controversy, it had nothing to do with her on track racing ability. She never finished in the top 10 in the nationwide series.

I know Long just started her nationwide career but she's in garbage equipment and won't win anything unless everyone else wrecks.

Why should these 2 get a lot of coverage when they are non-factors?

Danica is in great equipment, with a big time sponsor, that's why she's getting all the attention.
 
I love this response. It shows just how much attention even those who dislike her are getting. One shouldn't criticize someone for using what they have to get ahead. Saying any of those women don't have talent just shows ignorance in the sport. Even the Cope twins have talent or they wouldn't be where they are. There are a gazillion drivers in this country and beyond that might have more talent, but they have something that keeps them out of the big time. I can tell you that I know many local drivers, some even female, that would gladly remove some clothes to race in the big time. As has been mentioned, the beloved Earnhardt name has allowed Jr. to become what he is today and yet driving for a team that has equipment that has umpteen wins and 10 cup titles, has yet to win a points race. And I've seen plenty of complaints about all the press he gets and how much coverage he gets on TV. When something sells, if you don't take advantage of it, you might as well close shop. I think that most will agree that if Danica doesn't do very well after a couple of years going full time, the interest in her will wane. But as long as she appears to be competitive, she will be in the limelight.
 
buckaroo said:
I love this response. It shows just how much attention even those who dislike her are getting. One shouldn't criticize someone for using what they have to get ahead. Saying any of those women don't have talent just shows ignorance in the sport. Even the Cope twins have talent or they wouldn't be where they are.
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I'm not saying Long doesn't have talent, just saying she's in garbage equipment and that's why she isn't getting coverage. Same thing with Cobb when it comes to her equipment, even though I don't think Cobb is a great driver from what I've seen of her.
 
StewartHaas-Gibbs Racing said:
Cobb got a lot of coverage because she opened her mouth and caused some controversy, it had nothing to do with her on track racing ability. She never finished in the top 10 in the nationwide series.

I know Long just started her nationwide career but she's in garbage equipment and won't win anything unless everyone else wrecks.

Why should these 2 get a lot of coverage when they are non-factors?

Danica is in great equipment, with a big time sponsor, that's why she's getting all the attention.
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^ Attitudes like this are everything that's wrong with the sport.

Cobb got a lot of coverage before that. Would she have gotten coverage if she looked like Hillary Clinton? I think not.

Long was in the f'ing top ten, something Cobb will never see in her career, and being ignored because Danica was behind the ****** wall. Timmy Hill finished 7th and no mention there. They told us Buescher won the race, and didn't even go in to his background, then updated us on all the Cup drivers who ran the race.

The problem is, the little guys don't get coverage, even when they do perform well, because FOX and ESPN only care about Danica and the Cup superteams in Nationwide. Some of those guys scrap pennies just to come to the next race and, when they get a good run, they get ignored. It's bull****.
 
StewartHaas-Gibbs Racing said:
I'm not saying Long doesn't have talent, just saying she's in garbage equipment and that's why she isn't getting coverage. Same thing with Cobb when it comes to her equipment, even though I don't think Cobb is a great driver from what I've seen of her.
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Long has more talent than Danica but she won't get the bigtime sponsorship and the quality rides that come with it because she won't take her clothes off.
 
A friend on another Race Form is one of the biggest Joonyer fans in the world. Yet she hates Danica cause, in her opinion, Danica is a Media Whore.

Her opinion is not based upon experience or Danica's resume. I always ask her, Is there a bigger Media Whore in the business than Joonyer?

She hates it when I do that... :rolleyes:
 
robbybee said:
A friend on another Race Form is one of the biggest Joonyer fans in the world. Yet she hates Danica cause, in her opinion, Danica is a Media Whore.

Her opinion is not based upon experience or Danica's resume. I always ask her, Is there a bigger Media Whore in the business than Joonyer?

She hates it when I do that... :rolleyes:
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Danica's not a media whore, she had ZERO media availability at the Baltimore Grand Prix.
 
Matthew2470 said:
Lol

You state your opinions as if they are fact. Brilliant.
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Johanna Long has won championships. She also won the Snowball Derby, and unlike Chase Elliott and Steven Wallace, she didn't have to buy that win.

So, yes, Johanna having more talent than Danica is a statistical fact.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
^ Attitudes like this are everything that's wrong with the sport.

Cobb got a lot of coverage before that. Would she have gotten coverage if she looked like Hillary Clinton? I think not.

Long was in the f'ing top ten, something Cobb will never see in her career, and being ignored because Danica was behind the ******* wall. Timmy Hill finished 7th and no mention there. They told us Buescher won the race, and didn't even go in to his background, then updated us on all the Cup drivers who ran the race.

The problem is, the little guys don't get coverage, even when they do perform well, because FOX and ESPN only care about Danica and the Cup superteams in Nationwide. Some of those guys scrap pennies just to come to the next race and, when they get a good run, they get ignored. It's bull****.
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It's not my attitude that's wrong with the sport, I accept the fact that there are garbage teams out that that do nothing but ride in the back the entire or night or park the car early. I also don't believe that these teams should get coverage, doesn't matter if they are male or female.

I don't give a **** about espn, so I have no reason to make excuses for them but the end of that race was a disaster, they weren't even sure at one point who even won the race and they were already over their allotted time. They interviewed the top 5 finishes and left. In all honesty, I was shocked that they even did that.

I did hear Timmy Hills name mentioned at one point as well during the race, I remember hearing it. Plus Timmy Hill only finished 7th because of the all the cars that got wrecked in front of him.
 
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