Another eff you to NASCAR coverage

ChexOrWrex

ChexOrWrex

Ya gotta wanna
Joined
May 19, 2013
Messages
27,605
Points
883
So keeping up with the world cup, I noticed that there are no commercials. None during gameplay. Only in half time. I researched the topic & the overall consensus was:

"There are no breaks in soccer, including timeouts. Each half lasts 45 minutes with a 15-minute break in between. Therefore, there is no time for commercials like in American sports."

What about NASCAR? No breaks. No time outs. Maybe a few commercials under caution only? Why do we get so many more commercials and we are also a non-stop sport. Just thought it was a double standard :(
 
ChexOrWrex said:
So keeping up with the world cup, I noticed that there are no commercials. None during gameplay. Only in half time. I researched the topic & the overall consensus was:

"There are no breaks in soccer, including timeouts. Each half lasts 45 minutes with a 15-minute break in between. Therefore, there is no time for commercials like in American sports."

What about NASCAR? No breaks. No time outs. Maybe a few commercials under caution only? Why do we get so many more commercials and we are also a non-stop sport. Just thought it was a double standard :(
Click to expand...
When a company comes in and is okay spending millions and millions and millions of dollars to sponsor the running order scroll, or put a tiny logo on screen somewhere in one of the upper corners, there won't be any more commercials. I promise.

But, until that day arrives....
 
I will preface this by saying that I am not a soccer fan at all. In fact most of this country is not. The only time that America is truly interested in Soccer is during the World Cup. The same will go for Hockey. Most Americans are not really into Hockey, but when the Olympics come around suddenly everyone knows all about Team USA. As much as the media tries to force feed that Soccer is main stream to Americans it is not. Nascar has a very loyal base of fans, but in all reality it finds itself on the lower rungs amongst the major sports in this country. I have loved NASCAR since I was a kid, but even I can understand the thoughts of people who say "its a buch of cars going round and round." At the end of the day I dont think anyone wants to see three and a half continuous hours of that. I dont mind the commercial breaks. Also with the invention of DVR I doubt that most people actually watch live anymore. We live in a busy society these days. At my house the NASCAR race is always DVR'd and unless Im literally sitting down with absolutely nothing to do Im not watching it live. I usually watch the race in condensed fashion every Sunday. If I can watch it in 2 hours its a blessing because we are so busy all the time. The other thing to think about is that with twitter/social media/this forum/ if something happens we never miss it anyways.

I just dont think there is any demand from many people who want wall to wall coverage. You have to remember there is no break in a Nascar race. That means zero time to recoup money in the network deal .
 
ChexOrWrex said:
So keeping up with the world cup, I noticed that there are no commercials. None during gameplay. Only in half time. I researched the topic & the overall consensus was:

"There are no breaks in soccer, including timeouts. Each half lasts 45 minutes with a 15-minute break in between. Therefore, there is no time for commercials like in American sports."

What about NASCAR? No breaks. No time outs. Maybe a few commercials under caution only? Why do we get so many more commercials and we are also a non-stop sport. Just thought it was a double standard :(
Click to expand...

Something that I noticed watching the World Cup is how they use relatively "long" camera shots to allow the viewer to see up to about a third of the field at one time.

If the World Cup were covered the same way a NASCAR race is covered all you would see is a close-up of the guy with the ball.
 
Haven't watched any of the World Cup but I have seen the Barclay's Premier League, NHL and Olympic soccer and hockey coverage over on NBC and NBCSN and there are never interruptions during on field/ice action. I mean, I completely understand when people say that the comparisons between NASCAR and NFL/MLB aren't fair but the comparisons to soccer are. Although, even then, a soccer match is guaranteed stoppage time.

IF we ever get nonstop coverage of NASCAR, NBC's the best bet but I'm honestly not betting on it. NBC had nonstop coverage in 1999 and 2000 when they aired NASCAR and fans were promised that their "No Brakes" coverage would be a thing when the blockbuster television package debuted. NBC aired the Pepsi 400 and the phrase "Nothing But Commercials" was born.

When ESPN came back, there was talk about "Side-by-Side" (because of ESPN's IndyCar coverage). NASCAR discouraged that and even made statements about IndyCar can be done "side-by-side" because they pay for airtime (not true, but whatever). I think it was 2011 when ESPN implemented NASCAR Nonstop... step in the right direction.

We'll see what happens. Personally, I'll be shocked if NBC does NASCAR Nonstop. They shelled out way too much money for television rights.
 
pjmolo said:
Something that I noticed watching the World Cup is how they use relatively "long" camera shots to allow the viewer to see up to about a third of the field at one time.

If the World Cup were covered the same way a NASCAR race is covered all you would see is a close-up of the guy with the ball.
Click to expand...

I haven't watched any of it but, is ESPN running an international feed like what NBC does for F1, BPL and the Premier League or are they physically there with camera crews covering it?
 
pjmolo said:
Something that I noticed watching the World Cup is how they use relatively "long" camera shots to allow the viewer to see up to about a third of the field at one time.
Click to expand...
Because the main swivel camera is stationed on top of the booth. We have the same camera angle for highschool and college soccer and it's great for watching film. Can see the opposing team's entire offense and how they operate.
 
Went to a sports bar in Ocean City, Md two evenings ago. A few of the tv's had the WC coverage going on. Croatia was playing some other professional sports deprived country. Croatia scored to break the nail biting 0-0 tie. Too my surprise a small corner table erupted in cheers followed by four guys wearing Croatian jerseys high 5ing each other. Seriously, these guys had the jerseys. Apparently there are people in the US following this. I found four of them anyhow.
 
Allenbaba said:
When a company comes in and is okay spending millions and millions and millions of dollars to sponsor the running order scroll, or put a tiny logo on screen somewhere in one of the upper corners, there won't be any more commercials. I promise.

But, until that day arrives....
Click to expand...

Advertisers' resistance to nonstop coverage is profoundly stupid, IMO. Doesn't surprise me though - same group that thinks video ads are a great idea (because EVERYONE on the internet has 72MBPS internet that can stream HD YouTube clips).
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Went to a sports bar in Ocean City, Md two evenings ago. A few of the tv's had the WC coverage going on. Croatia was playing some other professional sports deprived country. Croatia scored to break the nail biting 0-0 tie. Too my surprise a small corner table erupted in cheers followed by four guys wearing Croatian jerseys high 5ing each other. Seriously, these guys had the jerseys. Apparently there are people in the US following this. I found four of them anyhow.
Click to expand...

More American viewers than hockey. ;)
 
There's been a couple of stinkers like Japan-Greece and Iran-Nigeria but otherwise most of the World Cup has been pretty good so far.
 
Allenbaba said:
When a company comes in and is okay spending millions and millions and millions of dollars to sponsor the running order scroll, or put a tiny logo on screen somewhere in one of the upper corners, there won't be any more commercials. I promise.

But, until that day arrives....
Click to expand...


I am sorry, I just fail to believe that. The networks would just take that millions of dollars for the ticker, and then still sale their regular add space for commercials.

I would be okay if Nascar implemented a 10 minute halftime if that meant we only got commercials during the cautions, and halftime.
 
Jeffrey00 said:
I am sorry, I just fail to believe that. The networks would just take that millions of dollars for the ticker, and then still sale their regular add space for commercials.

I would be okay if Nascar implemented a 10 minute halftime if that meant we only got commercials during the cautions, and halftime.
Click to expand...
Not sure if you're being sarcastic or not...but the millions would be contingent on no other commercials. Just like WC. That's the only reason logo placement would be worth millions in the first place.
 
I could tolerate watching soccer if they didn't have all the soap opera drama of the guys that barely get touched and then act like their leg got blown off.
 
pjmolo said:
Something that I noticed watching the World Cup is how they use relatively "long" camera shots to allow the viewer to see up to about a third of the field at one time.

If the World Cup were covered the same way a NASCAR race is covered all you would see is a close-up of the guy with the ball.
Click to expand...

Fox is the worst at this in their NASCAR coverage.

I know nothing about soccer but I like America. I'm only watching Team USA's games.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Went to a sports bar in Ocean City, Md two evenings ago. A few of the tv's had the WC coverage going on. Croatia was playing some other professional sports deprived country. Croatia scored to break the nail biting 0-0 tie. Too my surprise a small corner table erupted in cheers followed by four guys wearing Croatian jerseys high 5ing each other. Seriously, these guys had the jerseys. Apparently there are people in the US following this. I found four of them anyhow.
Click to expand...
Which bar?
 
ChexOrWrex said:
So keeping up with the world cup, I noticed that there are no commercials. None during gameplay. Only in half time. I researched the topic & the overall consensus was:

"There are no breaks in soccer, including timeouts. Each half lasts 45 minutes with a 15-minute break in between. Therefore, there is no time for commercials like in American sports."

What about NASCAR? No breaks. No time outs. Maybe a few commercials under caution only? Why do we get so many more commercials and we are also a non-stop sport. Just thought it was a double standard :(
Click to expand...

Let me break it down this way okay?

Say you have a Nascar race that goes caution free, where does the commercial come in at? Since they wouldn't have one the network loses money, yeah one race isn't going to hurt but sometimes they have races with these long green flag runs, more money being lost. Soccer you're going to get a chance after 45 mins.

Nascar is the only sport where you don't know when you'll get a chance for a commercial so it can't do what other sports do and have spots for breaks where you won't miss anything it's just not possible.
 
Allenbaba said:
Not sure if you're being sarcastic or not...but the millions would be contingent on no other commercials. Just like WC. That's the only reason logo placement would be worth millions in the first place.
Click to expand...


Oh I know what you are saying. I was just trying to add that no way the networks go for it. Sure they will sell that ticker space, but won't give up that precious commercial spots either.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Went to a sports bar in Ocean City, Md two evenings ago. A few of the tv's had the WC coverage going on. Croatia was playing some other professional sports deprived country. Croatia scored to break the nail biting 0-0 tie. Too my surprise a small corner table erupted in cheers followed by four guys wearing Croatian jerseys high 5ing each other. Seriously, these guys had the jerseys. Apparently there are people in the US following this. I found four of them anyhow.
Click to expand...

bet they were Croatians?
 
Blaze88 said:
Say you have a Nascar race that goes caution free, where does the commercial come in at? \
Click to expand...
51405539.jpg
 
ChexOrWrex said:
So keeping up with the world cup, I noticed that there are no commercials. None during gameplay. Only in half time. I researched the topic & the overall consensus was:

"There are no breaks in soccer, including timeouts. Each half lasts 45 minutes with a 15-minute break in between. Therefore, there is no time for commercials like in American sports."

What about NASCAR? No breaks. No time outs. Maybe a few commercials under caution only? Why do we get so many more commercials and we are also a non-stop sport. Just thought it was a double standard :(
Click to expand...

ESPN saving up waiting for July to air all their commercials.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
I haven't watched any of it but, is ESPN running an international feed like what NBC does for F1, BPL and the Premier League or are they physically there with camera crews covering it?
Click to expand...
Pool feeds , Whatever production company is doing the coverage and the networks get the feeds from, just like how NASCAR races are broadcast in other countrys, they use a pool feed, and its the same as how NASCAR races are done, one production company does all the races and the networks just use their key people/on air talent.
 
Blaze88 said:
So something you hate to stop something else you hate? You'd only complain about that also.
Click to expand...
Lol you're trying to dog me for complaining about coverage? 99% of the time I dont, but this time it was worth pointing out. Walk on home boy. Your attempts at trolling are futile.

If you want to get into a ****fight about broadcast complainers go talk to @AndyMarquisLive :p
 
ChexOrWrex said:
Lol you're trying to dog me for complaining about coverage? 99% of the time I dont, but this time it was worth pointing out. Walk on home boy. Your attempts at trolling are futile.

If you want to get into a ****fight about broadcast complainers go talk to @AndyMarquisLive :p
Click to expand...

I'm trolling because I don't agree? uh... ok all I did was point out a flaw in your idea sorry i didn't agree.
 
There is a guaranteed break within an hour in soccer. Not only that, the World cup probably gets millions of Dollors for one sponsor or two to be on the scroll at all times.

Plus, and this is overlooked, but you're never going to see EVERYTHiNG in Nascar.. even if it was commerical free, you'd still miss passes. In any other sport, you don't miss any of the action because its always right in front of you.
 
Lazyking said:
There is a guaranteed break within an hour in soccer. Not only that, the World cup probably gets millions of Dollors for one sponsor or two to be on the scroll at all times.

Plus, and this is overlooked, but you're never going to see EVERYTHiNG in Nascar.. even if it was commerical free, you'd still miss passes. In any other sport, you don't miss any of the action because its always right in front of you.
Click to expand...

Thank you, it seems some one gets it.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom