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fastfordfan

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Lose 2 Engines 1 Weekend
Yes I Know They Have Had Trouble
 
It's not the first time Gibbs has had more engine failures than any other team this year. Somewhere around 18-20 between practice and race.

Tie the put the tie downs back on the black helo :rolleyes:
 
The first engine Pee Wee lost was due to human error. Supposedly, someone forgot to tighten the rocker arms. D'OH!

The second one? I dunno.
 
I am sure they were testing something - why not? NASCAR took him out of any contention in the points.
 
zevious said:
I am sure they were testing something - why not? NASCAR took him out of any contention in the points.
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Yeah, just like Kyle did to Hornaday. Karma baby. Gotta love it.

Besides, Kyle was out of it (as usual), so who cares?
 
robbybee said:
The first engine Pee Wee lost was due to human error. Supposedly, someone forgot to tighten the rocker arms. D'OH!

The second one? I dunno.
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ALL engine failures are due to human error. Humans design and manufacture the parts, humans assemble the engines, and a human (I'll give Kyle the benefit of the doubt) starts the engine and uses (or abuses) it in a race car. :D
 
KingGlamis said:
ALL engine failures are due to human error. Humans design and manufacture the parts, humans assemble the engines, and a human (I'll give Kyle the benefit of the doubt) starts the engine and uses (or abuses) it in a race car. :D
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Kinda like the human that left a pair of garden shears in the middle of a lawn for me to suck up into my expensive lawn machine during leaf cleanups. :mad:
 
KingGlamis said:
ALL engine failures are due to human error. . :D
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But if a crankshaft bearing spins, or an intake valve breaks, or a head gasket fails, or an oil pump belt breaks, it's a PARTS FAILURE, not necessarily due to human error, right?
 
robbybee said:
But if a crankshaft bearing spins, or an intake valve breaks, or a head gasket fails, or an oil pump belt breaks, it's a PARTS FAILURE, not necessarily due to human error, right?
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Not necessarily. Humans still seat the bearings in the block and caps and have to line up the marks, humans still lay the head gaskets on the deck and have to know that they have the right wall and gasket thickness for the compression pressure to not blow it out. Belt failure or broken valve, that's a manufacturing defect. Unless the human forgot to set the cam timing right, or didn't have the right timing chain tension and broke a chain.
 
I have rebuilt a few engines in my day and I know how critical it is to pay attention to detail. I can't imagine that the engine builders at JGR would not be foused on the task at hand - cause they are gonna be looking for work and their calling cards will be their successes - not their failures.
 
robbybee said:
I have rebuilt a few engines in my day and I know how critical it is to pay attention to detail. I can't imagine that the engine builders at JGR would not be foused on the task at hand - cause they are gonna be looking for work and their calling cards will be their successes - not their failures.
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Yup. Our cylinder head guy actually used to work for Hendrick. He said he got tired of doing the same damn thing after 2 years, so he bought a head mill, pair of flowbenches, this that and the other thing, and now he's got a home-based business worth well over a quarter mill. Delivered our heads on a Monday, had them back with new springs, milled 060, ported, new intake, port matched, angle-cut and ready to go, 3 days later. Even came to the house and mocked it all up on the motor to make sure it all fit.
 
zevious said:
I am sure they were testing something - why not? NASCAR took him out of any contention in the points.
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I can't see where testing something on the Busch ride would make any sense. That seems to me to be something that they'd use the Logano ride for. Money's money. Those positions in the Chase decrease pretty quickly as you drop in positions. I don't think that they'd risk throwing that money away. And not to turn this into another Busch bash but, NASCAR took him out of any contention in the points? :confused: I guess you could look at it that way. I tend to think that Kyle Busch took himself out of any contention in the points by his own actions. Maybe that's just me?
 
Dad used to have a sign in the dyno room that read "Any Man Made Object is Prone to Failure"
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
I can't see where testing something on the Busch ride would make any sense. That seems to me to be something that they'd use the Logano ride for. Money's money. Those positions in the Chase decrease pretty quickly as you drop in positions. I don't think that they'd risk throwing that money away. And not to turn this into another Busch bash but, NASCAR took him out of any contention in the points? :confused: I guess you could look at it that way. I tend to think that Kyle Busch took himself out of any contention in the points by his own actions. Maybe that's just me?
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But the top 10 get to go to the banquet and that means a lot for sponsors and everybody else and I think he was only a couple of points out of 10 th place
 
fastfordfan said:
But the top 10 get to go to the banquet and that means a lot for sponsors and everybody else and I think he was only a couple of points out of 10 th place
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That's kinda my point. Why would you want to start testing things and risk that? I'd think that you'd want to go with what got you there in the first place.
 
robbybee said:
But if a crankshaft bearing spins, or an intake valve breaks, or a head gasket fails, or an oil pump belt breaks, it's a PARTS FAILURE, not necessarily due to human error, right?
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You missed the biggest part of the point. Human error can also, and often does, come from the DRIVER. :eek:
 
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