Anyone have experience with these 2019 cars?

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We're test driving this weekend. If you drive one of these regularly, what did you find good or bad about it?

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I mean I work in a Subaru dealership shop, I haven't noticed any issues that pop up regularly with the 2019 Legacy or Forester.
 

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If you’re going crossover go CRV or RAV4. Those others you mentioned don’t even compete
 

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Just a note, the Subaru’s have CVT transmissions, which will feel weird at first if you’ve never driven one. They require a little more maintenance than a conventional automatic as well.
 

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Just a note, the Subaru’s have CVT transmissions, which will feel weird at first if you’ve never driven one. They require a little more maintenance than a conventional automatic as well.
Our current vehicles are an '03 Elantra and an '05 Ranger. Compared to those, EVERYTHING is going to feel weird. The biggest adjustment will be learning to look at the rear camera displays that compensate for sacrificed 'over the shoulder' visibility, esp. going between the new vehicle and the cameraless Hyundai.
 
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If you’re going crossover go CRV or RAV4. Those others you mentioned don’t even compete
We may not have the same criteria. I'm prioritizing reliability, durability, and comfort. CR gives the models we've selected higher ratings for those criteria than their competitors. I had to start somewhere, and that's what I chose to refer to.
 

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Our current vehicles are an '03 Elantra and an '05 Ranger. Compared to those, EVERYTHING is going to feel weird. The biggest adjustment will be learning to look at the rear camera displays that compensate for sacrificed 'over the shoulder' visibility, esp. going between the new vehicle and the cameraless Hyundai.
You get used to the backup camera pretty easily. But yes, you'll be in for a very different feel.

I have a hard time recc'ing anything with CVT.
 

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You get used to the backup camera pretty easily. But yes, you'll be in for a very different feel.

I have a hard time recc'ing anything with CVT.
"Recc'ing"? Sorry, I'm not familiar with the term in an automotive sense, and I haven't done any reconnaissance since I left the Army. Googling didn't bring up anything that looked appropriate.
 

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You get used to the backup camera pretty easily. But yes, you'll be in for a very different feel.

I have a hard time recc'ing anything with CVT.
I believe Jatco makes the CVT’s for Subaru, the same company that makes them for Nissan. I don’t know how they’ve done in the Subes, but the CVT’s in the Nissans are junk from what I’ve heard from a few people who’ve had them.
 

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I believe Jatco makes the CVT’s for Subaru, the same company that makes them for Nissan. I don’t know how they’ve done in the Subes, but the CVT’s in the Nissans are junk from what I’ve heard from a few people who’ve had them.
I don't know squat about transmissions. I did worked in a lawnmower plant, and there was a big difference between what we made for the Craftsman label and what we knocked out for Montgomery Ward and Ace. Of course, that may not apply here.
 

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I believe Jatco makes the CVT’s for Subaru, the same company that makes them for Nissan. I don’t know how they’ve done in the Subes, but the CVT’s in the Nissans are junk from what I’ve heard from a few people who’ve had them.
Aisin I believe it is called same bunch sponsoring Hill in the trucks. It's a Toyota made tranny, many manufacturers are using them Toyota and Mazda are on the list above. Might be something to google. I heard they were doing good in Dodge trucks.
 

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Aisin I believe it is called same bunch sponsoring Hill in the trucks. It's a Toyota made tranny, many manufacturers are using them Toyota and Mazda are on the list above. Might be something to google. I heard they were doing good in Dodge trucks.
Yep, Toyota uses the Aisin CVT’s and I think Honda makes their own as well, both of those are pretty decent from what I’ve read. With the Jatco’s however, the transmissions grenading themselves well under 100,000 miles is pretty commonplace from what I’ve heard. I know my aunt had an Altima with a transmission that went south around 60K.
 

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Yep, Toyota uses the Aisin CVT’s and I think Honda makes their own as well, both of those are pretty decent from what I’ve read. With the Jatco’s however, the transmissions grenading themselves well under 100,000 miles is pretty commonplace from what I’ve heard. I know my aunt had an Altima with a transmission that went south around 60K.
yeah YouTube Scotty Kilmer was trashing them, of course he trashes about anything that isn't a Toyota
 

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Yep, Toyota uses the Aisin CVT’s and I think Honda makes their own as well, both of those are pretty decent from what I’ve read. With the Jatco’s however, the transmissions grenading themselves well under 100,000 miles is pretty commonplace from what I’ve heard. I know my aunt had an Altima with a transmission that went south around 60K.
The Yota Prius has been using a cvt for years, haven't heard any problems, I think the Aisins have the best thing going.
 

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"Recc'ing"? Sorry, I'm not familiar with the term in an automotive sense, and I haven't done any reconnaissance since I left the Army. Googling didn't bring up anything that looked appropriate.
Reccomending, shorthand

I believe Jatco makes the CVT’s for Subaru, the same company that makes them for Nissan. I don’t know how they’ve done in the Subes, but the CVT’s in the Nissans are junk from what I’ve heard from a few people who’ve had them.
Agreed, have heard nothing good from the Nissan camp. I avoid CVT at all costs, because of the costs....

Dad has a ford explorer for a company car through Enterprise, the first one required a change of bed sheets around 35,000. Enterprise took it back at 60K. Has 20K on the current one.
 

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I believe Jatco makes the CVT’s for Subaru, the same company that makes them for Nissan. I don’t know how they’ve done in the Subes, but the CVT’s in the Nissans are junk from what I’ve heard from a few people who’ve had them.
Im gonna be another one of those persons that you have heard from that says they are junk in Nissan's, our 15 Altima with under 100k , it had to get worked on , long story short because I am not even sure why, we got the dealer to eat 99% of the cost to fix it .

We traded in the Altima a few weeks ago.
 

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We may not have the same criteria. I'm prioritizing reliability, durability, and comfort. CR gives the models we've selected higher ratings for those criteria than their competitors. I had to start somewhere, and that's what I chose to refer to.
The back up camera is going to be easy to get used to, I got used to it real fast in the Altima we got.

I will tell you what I am not getting used too, all the "you are a really bad driver sensors" in our new 2019 Nissan Murano, they are f**king annoying , they literately are for people that can't be bothered to pay attention to driving. The wife leaves them on for the front sonar so she doesnt hit the garage door when parking, in her defense, she is short and its hard to see over the hood of it( I am about 5'11 and I have issues). I guess its either all or none, so I cringe when I drive it. ( its not something that is easy to turn on/off)

The one thing I do really like is the 360 back up camera, that is really neat and very handy.
 

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Im gonna be another one of those persons that you have heard from that says they are junk in Nissan's, our 15 Altima with under 100k , it had to get worked on , long story short because I am not even sure why, we got the dealer to eat 99% of the cost to fix it .

We traded in the Altima a few weeks ago.
We had a Mitsubishi Outlander with a CVT and traded it in for the same reason. It hadn’t failed yet, but it only had 74,000 miles on it and was starting to develop an increasingly loud whine. We traded it in on a Lincoln MKC, which has been great so far.
 

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The back up camera is going to be easy to get used to, I got used to it real fast in the Altima we got.

I will tell you what I am not getting used too, all the "you are a really bad driver sensors" in our new 2019 Nissan Murano, they are f**king annoying , they literately are for people that can't be bothered to pay attention to driving. The wife leaves them on for the front sonar so she doesnt hit the garage door when parking, in her defense, she is short and its hard to see over the hood of it( I am about 5'11 and I have issues). I guess its either all or none, so I cringe when I drive it. ( its not something that is easy to turn on/off)

The one thing I do really like is the 360 back up camera, that is really neat and very handy.
all it takes from the safety Nazi's is a stroke of a pen and those things will be on everything. Can't handle that dinging.
 

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We had a Mitsubishi Outlander with a CVT and traded it in for the same reason. It hadn’t failed yet, but it only had 74,000 miles on it and was starting to develop an increasingly loud whine. We traded it in on a Lincoln MKC, which has been great so far.
I think it stated to have issues around the 65k-70K mark ( it was early this year), that was not the reason why we traded it it, I mean, we jumped from the frying pan to the oven with the new one. The wife wanted a CUV so ...............

What year MKZ did you get?, never ever thought about considering a Lincoln vehicle, so props to for doing so lol, you still have your Frontier ?
 

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all it takes from the safety Nazi's is a stroke of a pen and those things will be on everything. Can't handle that dinging.
Its coming, people just can't seem to be bothered to focus on driving , so they are needed, I agree, the dings are driving me crazy, every time it dings , I tell it, I know how to drive :lol2: , I am glad its the wife's daily and not mine .
 

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I think it stated to have issues around the 65k-70K mark ( it was early this year), that was not the reason why we traded it it, I mean, we jumped from the frying pan to the oven with the new one. The wife wanted a CUV so ...............

What year MKZ did you get?, never ever thought about considering a Lincoln vehicle, so props to for doing so lol, you still have your Frontier ?
Yep, I still have my Frontier. It has a regular automatic though thank God. It has about 65k miles on it now, not a single problem so far.

We got a ‘17 MKC, which is basically a gussied-up Ford Escape. It was a Certified Pre-Owned, so we got a pretty good deal on it and a 100K mile warranty to boot.
 

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Yep, I still have my Frontier. It has a regular automatic though thank God. It has about 65k miles on it now, not a single problem so far.

We got a ‘17 MKC, which is basically a gussied-up Ford Escape. It was a Certified Pre-Owned, so we got a pretty good deal on it and a 100K mile warranty to boot.
What year is your Frontier, Ive been considering getting one.

Oh nice, 100k mile warranty, if we are honest, that's pretty much all Lincoln is , just gussied up Fords :D, given the choice, I think I would take the MKC over the Escape, get that extra bit of luxury, and I think it looks a bit better too.
 

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We may not have the same criteria. I'm prioritizing reliability, durability, and comfort. CR gives the models we've selected higher ratings for those criteria than their competitors. I had to start somewhere, and that's what I chose to refer to.

There is no way lol. I’m sorry but as a quality engineer at Honda at a plant that makes the CRV I can tell you without a doubt a CRV or RAV4 takes the cake. The engines alone give those two a significant edge
 

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I'm not much of a car enthusiast, so I can't say too much. I will say that the backup cam is definitely there for extra reinforcement. The only time I actually use it is when I am back into a parking spot that has a wall behind it.

One thing, and it might seem minor, but make sure to check for all the things you want that you think the car would obviously have. I recently purchased a 2019 Kia Rio and it wasnt until I went to put a CD into it a few days later that i realized there was no CD player.
 

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I'm not much of a car enthusiast, so I can't say too much. I will say that the backup cam is definitely there for extra reinforcement. The only time I actually use it is when I am back into a parking spot that has a wall behind it.

One thing, and it might seem minor, but make sure to check for all the things you want that you think the car would obviously have. I recently purchased a 2019 Kia Rio and it wasnt until I went to put a CD into it a few days later that i realized there was no CD player.
CD player is the second or third item to check during the test drives. ;)
 

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The wife leaves them on for the front sonar so she doesnt hit the garage door when parking, in her defense, she is short and its hard to see over the hood of it
She's 5-even, I'm 5'6". Hood visibility is also high on the list.
 

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What about the new Honda Passport?

Honestly underrated car. They really knocked it out of the park with that one. I’d say this is my favorite car Honda makes honestly, especially the trim with the Garmin full size nav system

Again for daily drivers I’d say Honda and Toyota have your best quality and reliability. It’s the full size SUV, truck and sports car categories that the American companies reign supreme
 

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Since buying the Ram Big Horn 5 years ago I wouldn't have another truck without the rear camera or the bumper sensors. It makes tight spot parking and hooking up a trailer a breeze and the sensors turn off with a touch of a button.
 

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I'm mostly concerned about switching between driving the new camera-equipped car one day, and the cameraless Hyundai the next. It's going to be tough to remember the camera is there when the Hyundai will be my primary vehicle. Unfortunately for me, manufacturers have begun designing with limited rear visibility because the cameras compensate. I have rear visibility on my check list; it's tough to change 40+ years of habitually looking over each shoulder, esp. when I'll still be doing it in the vehicle I'll be driving the most.
 

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I'm mostly concerned about switching between driving the new camera-equipped car one day, and the cameraless Hyundai the next. It's going to be tough to remember the camera is there when the Hyundai will be my primary vehicle. Unfortunately for me, manufacturers have begun designing with limited rear visibility because the cameras compensate. I have rear visibility on my check list; it's tough to change 40+ years of habitually looking over each shoulder, esp. when I'll still be doing it in the vehicle I'll be driving the most.
Trust me, the rear view screen is typically large enough that it's painfully obvious. Most newer cars, it occupies at least half the the center dash.

Some trucks put it in the rear view mirror. I can't stand that.
 

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All these gadgets in new cars scares the crap out of me. I think I'll keep my 2010 Town Car til it rots out.
The Ranger is dying or I wouldn't be looking either.

I'm not as scared of the gadgets as I am of the buying process. Not scared, I guess, just not comfortable. I'm not aware of affordable opportunities for the average guy to really test drive a wide range of vehicles for a week or so each. I'm making a semi-educated gamble every ten or twelve years against an opponent who plays the game several times a day.
 

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All these gadgets in new cars scares the crap out of me. I think I'll keep my 2010 Town Car til it rots out.
That's what my wife say's about her 1991 Chrysler New Yorker Salon that my mother gave her. Like this one, same color and all.

 

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The Ranger is dying or I wouldn't be looking either.

I'm not as scared of the gadgets as I am of the buying process. Not scared, I guess, just not comfortable. I'm not aware of affordable opportunities for the average guy to really test drive a wide range of vehicles for a week or so each. I'm making a semi-educated gamble every ten or twelve years against an opponent who plays the game several times a day.
At least you’re buying at a pretty good time. Dealers are trying to get rid of their 2019’s right now, plus car sales in general have been down the last few months.
 
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