AndyMarquisLive
I love short track racing (Taylor's Version)
Should be interesting for sure. I just hope they keep Michael Waltrip out of the booth for the ARCA race.
Atlanta needs to lose a race
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Should be interesting for sure. I just hope they keep Michael Waltrip out of the booth for the ARCA race.
dpkimmel2001
Team Owner
Speaking of MW..... Did you hear that he is running Talladega this year in the 55. I think he just announced it.
Back on subject..... As a fan of simply the racing, I hope that they don't remove a race from Atlanta. I don't watch the stands and could really care less how many people are there. I like the racing that track produces.
AndyMarquisLive
I love short track racing (Taylor's Version)
dpkimmel2001
Team Owner
I liked the racing Rockingham and North Wilkesboro produced.
I agree and I didn't want to see them leave there either. I'm not in a position to support Atlanta by being there but I'm trying to help keep the Bristol, Martinsville, & Dover races intact. The occasional Pocono, Richmond, & Watkin's Glen too.
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steveluvs3
Guest
well I don't know what they are going to do when kansas gets there 2nd date cause once they get that casino built in the 2nd turn kansas gets their 2nd date
I liked the racing Rockingham and North Wilkesboro produced.
I agree.
The fans simply let these two tracks die.
What a dang shame.
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Guido
Guest
You can't be serious!
Lack of decent motel rooms in a reasonable distance, good restaurants and places that served alcohol as well as not enough seats to provide high purse money was more the cause of their demise for cup races especially in the case of Rockingham.
Getting in and out of these tracks on two lane roads was hell too!
The fans were there. The towns and county didn't have the modern facilities that the newer fans and the higher cost of racing demanded.
Go Panthers
We are the people our parents warned us about
Thats not true for Wilkesboro, fans supported, but Bob Bahre and Bruton bought it to move its dates to bigger tracks.
Wilkesboro should have never lost its date.
kelloggs5TLfan
Team Owner
Spike
Team Owner
My thoughts on Pocono come from a pure entertainment standpoint: when you have 2 races that are identical, that close together, that are generally complete snoozers(there is rarely a Pocono race that isn't incredibly boring), it shouldn't have 2 dates.
Move the 2nd Gateway Nationwide date and the existing Pocono truck date to one weekend, and have another weekend feature the Pocono ARCA and Sprint Cup races.
Move the 2nd Gateway Nationwide date and the existing Pocono truck date to one weekend, and have another weekend feature the Pocono ARCA and Sprint Cup races.
Benevolent One
Team Owner
There are a few tracks that should not have two dates ('Dega, Daytona and California would top my list), but Atlanta is one of my favorite tracks. There is almost always good racing and they don't run plates.
I'd rather see some more racing at places like Darlington, Rockingham etc, but NASCAR doesn't want those type of fans any more.
I'd rather see some more racing at places like Darlington, Rockingham etc, but NASCAR doesn't want those type of fans any more.
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carsntunes
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AndyMarquisLive
I love short track racing (Taylor's Version)
I think you have a point. Rockingham was a dump. Some of the locals told me the town hadn't changed one bit.
Rockingham was a victim of NASCAR going mainstream.
buckaroo
Here kitty, kitty, kitty
Andy, just because it was a dump wasn't the main reason for NASCAR to take away it's dates. And it was very much like what happened to North Wilkesboro. Though NW didn't have any problems selling out (we had season tickets for both races), there was and is a problem the two tracks have and that is it's location. There isn't anything or anywhere to go/do in the immediate area. The sport has been about the money now and anything that gets in the way is a problem.
How many times has anyone gone to a Cup race and you saw a plethora of yellow hats, meaning Penske? I can recall just about every race that I've attended where there were many people who were given access to places that I didn't have and they didn't pay for a thing. The last two Cup events that I attended were paid for by Gatorade and though I'm a big time fan, many, if not most of those in the suit had absolutely no idea the difference between Kurt and Kyle Busch. If you pay $100,000 plus for your guests, you have to be able to entertain them. It's a part of NASCAR that I've become to detest.
ted@economy
in the interest of equal time
I really don't know anything about these tracks as I have only been to six or seven of them.I do remember the dilema that Nascar faced when the vast majority of races were held in the south east.New National brands were wanting exposure over the entire country and were willing to pay a lot more than the regional sponsors.Add to that the National broadcasters and new tracks had to be added accross the North East and North West.The lack of open dates meant that dates had to be taken from existing tracks.Has the problem been entirely resolved?
AndyMarquisLive
I love short track racing (Taylor's Version)
No.
The Pacific Northwest still wants a date, they have a track (albiet a road course) that can seat 86,000 people and they still don't have a race.
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brian s
Guest
if not most of those in the suit had absolutely no idea the difference between Kurt and Kyle Busch.
They don't know the difference between a four tire change and a splash of gas!!!
I loved NW by the way, and so did the drivers. The problem was it was family owned, and NASCAR had no control. Yes, NW did not change with the times in that it was an old track. Deep down, that is what I liked about it...the history and the mystique. That is why Calif, Las Vegas, Kansas City, Chicago don't mean that much to me when I watch them...on top of the fact the tracks produce boring racing.
They don't know the difference between a four tire change and a splash of gas!!!
I loved NW by the way, and so did the drivers. The problem was it was family owned, and NASCAR had no control. Yes, NW did not change with the times in that it was an old track. Deep down, that is what I liked about it...the history and the mystique. That is why Calif, Las Vegas, Kansas City, Chicago don't mean that much to me when I watch them...on top of the fact the tracks produce boring racing.
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T. Woods
Guest
if not most of those in the suit had absolutely no idea the difference between Kurt and Kyle Busch.
They don't know the difference between a four tire change and a splash of gas!!!
I loved NW by the way, and so did the drivers. The problem was it was family owned, and NASCAR had no control. Yes, NW did not change with the times in that it was an old track. Deep down, that is what I liked about it...the history and the mystique. That is why Calif, Las Vegas, Kansas City, Chicago don't mean that much to me when I watch them...on top of the fact the tracks produce boring racing.
Right on Brotha
blue92
Team Owner
HELL yea that's the problem with NASCAR too many ovals. JMO I think NASCAR should just for one season run more road courses and see if more folks watch and start getting into nascar than racing boring ovals. Plus in order to be more green nascar needs to shorten the races on ovals to 350 miles or even 250 miles. I say this because I myself get bored in the middle of many of the oval races and go do other stuff around the house (sometimes outside) then come back to watch the end of the races. I like watching the truck races for this very fact they don't race 500 mile races and again jmo but I think the truck races are more interesting to watch because the races are all out balls to the wall racing not just riding around till the last 30 laps then getting into it.
Benevolent One
Team Owner
That will never happen simply because of the revenue they would lose due to less commercials. Either that or they would cram the same amount of commercials into an even shorter race and then we would get to see about 25% of the race.
de7xwcc
Anarchist
spot on Buck, the company i work for had suites at Bristol, texas atlanta and charlotte and guess what i had to go to everyone and wine and dine customers and i hated every minute of it, most of them didn't know anything about racin they were just there for the food and drink. glad we didn't re up when the contracts ran out in 08
blue92
Team Owner
All they would have to do is have a longer country/rock concert or BS more at the beginning of the broadcast. I know Fox would figure out a way to find the time for their commercials. But think about the money the race teams would save if the races were shorter, in gas, and tires alone.