Bonehead of the Week: Atlanta

I'd say Larson if his spotter actually called low before the wreck, and didnt blame himself (which he did)

Hocevar for wrecking Bell when there was no hole.
 
At some point, Hocevar is going to eat the wall or take a fist in the face to wake him up. My God, he doesn't even listen to The Felon. That move on Bell was complete horse****.
 

I won't call Carson a name, but I will say that this statement is something that might come from an idiot or a jerk or both.
 


...and Hocevar said that he would push Bell, and they would settle it amongst themselves. Jerk-like behavior IMO....again, not calling him a name--labeling the behavior.
 


Chuckles about screwing Bell's day. You pick the word, so I don't have to violate TOU for name calling.
 
Revman said:


...and Hocevar said that he would push Bell, and they would settle it amongst themselves. Jerk-like behavior IMO....again, not calling him a name--labeling the behavior.
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He said that about Bubba, not Bell
 
Revman said:
At some point, Hocevar is going to eat the wall or take a fist in the face to wake him up. My God, he doesn't even listen to The Felon. That move on Bell was complete horse****.
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My two cents...

He is a beast in terms of driving, he has some incredible unteachable skills in terms of speed. He also does the idiotic stuff that the competition hates. He will eventually have to tone down his wreckless side to survive.

The obvious test in my opinion will be about how well he manages those two conflicts. If he polishes up the mistakes while keeping the natural born skills and speed he will become a generational talent and it will be great for nascar. The people will respond and come out to love or hate.

At something like 23 years old I think he is just fighting the young mans internal war. He has some wisdom and a lot of primitive impulses. There are still a lot of things he wants to learn himself, but that they are just to far away from him to hear at this stage in his life. He is the current theater and living the battle that keeps us monday morning experts in business.

I hope that he isn't just another slow burn that fizzles out. I hope he gets it together in time, it would be great thing to watch for the show and for racing in general. The big characters, the movers and skakers, they drive the stories and interests that helps things to naturally $ale.
 
Greg said:
My two cents...

He is a beast in terms of driving, he has some incredible unteachable skills in terms of speed. He also does the idiotic stuff that the competition hates. He will eventually have to tone down his wreckless side to survive.

The obvious test in my opinion will be about how well he manages those two conflicts. If he polishes up the mistakes while keeping the natural born skills and speed he will become a generational talent and it will be great for nascar. The people will respond and come out to love or hate.

At something like 23 years old I think he is just fighting the young mans internal war. He has some wisdom and a lot of primitive impulses. There are still a lot of things he wants to learn himself, but that they are just to far away from him to hear at this stage in his life. He is the current theater and living the battle that keeps us monday morning experts in business.

I hope that he isn't just another slow burn that fizzles out. I hope he gets it together in time, it would be great thing to watch for the show and for racing in general. The big characters, the movers and skakers, they drive the stories and interests that helps things to naturally $ale.
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Fair take. The question is whether or not enough humility enters the chat before his script is written. This is where Dickerson et al.--and yeah, Gabehart--can be an asset if they can get him to figure it out. Otherwise, we are looking at a guy who is going to continue to be blackballed even by his own manufacturer teammates. His interviews are probably more important than his driving. He comes off like a flippant ass....a flippant ass with as many wins as another flippant ass that runs for MY manufacturer. I am really tired of the generational talent assessment honestly, but I will say this, Hocevar was the straw that stirred the drink. His move on Bell was garbage, but Bell knew he was there, and frankly, Bubba was intimidated into his move. Just too many Toyotas to overcome with his crap--and I love that because it hasn't always been that way.
 
Bubba, it was his race to win but his race craft failed him.
Honorable mention to Mike Joy. I don't know if he was watching the same race we watched yesterday. Thought maybe he had a toke or two, but he really doesn't seem like that kind of guy.
 
Revman said:
I might be misunderstanding you, but I don't think so.
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I may be hearing it wrong. Because in Bell's interview he mentioned exactly what you said.

However during the broadcast, when they played Carson's audio, I thought I heard Bubba. I may have heard wrong.
 
Wins or points, which would a driver rather have? I think we know the answer to that.
 
rd45usa said:
Wins or points, which would a driver rather have? I think we know the answer to that.
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Winning has lost some of it's importance. Wallace didn't throw anything away, he raced his ass off all day long. Last time I checked, most plate races are chaos at the end when it is green white checker time. Ask C.Bell.
 
rd45usa said:
With the Bubba throwing away wins, is it really Bubba or listening to his spotter.
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Drafting tracks are a crapshoot and Bubba gets a pass imo. There's probably one right move he can make and about a dozen wrong ones.

Outside of larson, Bubba was absolutely the class of the field yesterday and I think that is just a great sign
 
Revman said:
Fair take. The question is whether or not enough humility enters the chat before his script is written. This is where Dickerson et al.--and yeah, Gabehart--can be an asset if they can get him to figure it out. Otherwise, we are looking at a guy who is going to continue to be blackballed even by his own manufacturer teammates. His interviews are probably more important than his driving. He comes off like a flippant ass....a flippant ass with as many wins as another flippant ass that runs for MY manufacturer. I am really tired of the generational talent assessment honestly, but I will say this, Hocevar was the straw that stirred the drink. His move on Bell was garbage, but Bell knew he was there, and frankly, Bubba was intimidated into his move. Just too many Toyotas to overcome with his crap--and I love that because it hasn't always been that way.
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My wife is a casual at best, and she said he looks like a "c.ocky ass" during his post race interview and for what it's worth, was absolutely gobbling up the drama of the last 10 minutes of the race despite fighting off a pretty bad head cold.

I think both of you have really great points here and honestly I think they're both entirely true. I don't know if I would consider Carson a generational talent but I think he has the talent to win a boatload of races and compete for championships.

He's not even bratty c.ocky like a young KB, who was winning races, btw. He's just... a smug frat bro. He's like that dude who gets pulled over by the cops and has a smirk on his face. Or mocks his professor to keeps him after class because he's f.ucking up.

I'll say this. I hope he wins soon. And I hope his second win takes just as long. The drama and hatred this kid creates is a blast. Unlike Ross, who's villainy was more subtle and reigned in, Carson seems like a genuine a**hole of a kid on the track.

Makes for great racing entertainment. Get this kid in a top quality ride. Let him win himself into full heel.

I think a lot of our "villains" recently either leaned into it (Denny), or were "awe shucks" about it (Ross). Carson acts like a genuine a**hole on the track and in the garage who does not give a damn.

It would be fun to have a villain who is a villain ONLY because he's a c.ocky *******. LOL
 
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