Bonehead of the Week: Kansas

Bubba did the exact same move to Bell twice.

Denny is a competitor that drove his ass off with no power steering for the last 40 laps. He raced bubbles like every other competitor on the track and for that I respect him.


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I also don't fault Denny in this instance as much as others, but you would like to think that he MIGHT have given Bubba a wider birth, so that if Denny couldn't win, Bubba would. As for Bell, Bubba doesn't really owe him much other than being a fellow Toyota driver. I can really see how all three of these guys honestly thought THEY were going to win, and the reward was worth the risk.
 
Formerjackman said:
I also don't fault Denny in this instance as much as others, but you would like to think that he MIGHT have given Bubba a wider birth, so that if Denny couldn't win, Bubba would. As for Bell, Bubba doesn't really owe him much other than being a fellow Toyota driver. I can really see how all three of these guys honestly thought THEY were going to win, and the reward was worth the risk.
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And Denny doesn’t owe bubba anything except for whatever paycheck and his cut of the winnings he gets.


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Me for letting myself get so tired that I fell asleep during a great race at one of my favorite tracks on the tour. But I did wake up in time to see that exciting final 2 laps. I love overtime finishes. :D
 
Biggreen695 said:
Bubba did the exact same move to Bell twice.

Denny is a competitor that drove his ass off with no power steering for the last 40 laps. He raced bubbles like every other competitor on the track and for that I respect him.


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See my issue with it is, as I said in my post, if the roles were reversed, how Denny would act. He would've been furious at Bubba for doing that to him. That's how I judge things, how the person would react if done to them. Which is why he is 100% a bonehead, because he would think anyone who did it to him is one.
 
Blaze said:
See my issue with it is, as I said in my post, if the roles were reversed, how Denny would act. He would've been furious at Bubba for doing that to him. That's how I judge things, how the person would react if done to them. Which is why he is 100% a bonehead, because he would think anyone who did it to him is one.
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I see it differently. No one can predict how Denny would have responded. He criticized Bubba for his driving style previously and was justified in doing so.
He owes Bubba nothing and quite honestly, if I were a team owner, Denny drove exactly as I would want him to. He went for the win, Chase door slammed him to slow him down and that is part of racing. It is the kind of racing that makes the sport what it is and gives the Denny nay=sayers something to whine about.
I read anti-Denny posts and most are from people who criticize him for doing the same thing their driver of choice does. It happens. It's racing.
 
Whizzer said:
I see it differently. No one can predict how Denny would have responded. He criticized Bubba for his driving style previously and was justified in doing so.
He owes Bubba nothing and quite honestly, if I were a team owner, Denny drove exactly as I would want him to. He went for the win, Chase door slammed him to slow him down and that is part of racing. It is the kind of racing that makes the sport what it is and gives the Denny nay=sayers something to whine about.
I read anti-Denny posts and most are from people who criticize him for doing the same thing their driver of choice does. It happens. It's racing.
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That's fair, I'm just going off previous times he had gotten pissed at drivers, for doing stuff he himself has done, to make my judgment that he would be upset here.
 
Blaze said:
That's fair, I'm just going off previous times he had gotten pissed at drivers, for doing stuff he himself has done, to make my judgment that he would be upset here.
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I know some people were comparing this to the Ty deal from a week ago, BUT the circumstances are TOTALLY different this week. My only thought is that if I'm Denny, I'm going to make damn sure if I can't win, Bubba does. I think he needed to be more cognizant of the possibility of his car washing up the track and leaving Bubba more room. If Denny can't clear Bubba, then he blocks Chase and lets Bubba win. I don't think Denny actually did anything wrong, I just think he could have played it a little smarter.
 
Hampuke for the obvious. It’s one thing to try and win for your car sponsor and owner. I get that. But KNOWING he had power steering issues he shouldn’t have pushed it so hard. But then, it’s the narcissist so fully expected.

NASCAR should have NEVER allowed him to become an owner of one team while driving for another one.
 
Conover said:
Hampuke for the obvious. It’s one thing to try and win for your car sponsor and owner. I get that. But KNOWING he had power steering issues he shouldn’t have pushed it so hard. But then, it’s the narcissist so fully expected.

NASCAR should have NEVER allowed him to become an owner of one team while driving for another one.
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The fans that are saying Hamlin was being heroic when in fact it was a totally selfish and stupid move that screwed up Bubba's day.
 
Conover said:
Hampuke for the obvious. It’s one thing to try and win for your car sponsor and owner. I get that. But KNOWING he had power steering issues he shouldn’t have pushed it so hard. But then, it’s the narcissist so fully expected.

NASCAR should have NEVER allowed him to become an owner of one team while driving for another one.
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As for knowing he had power steering issues the suggestion he lay down and not make an effort to go for the win would not be well received by any team owner.
And any team owner that would feel the same way has a losing team.

StandOnIt said:
The fans that are saying Hamlin was being heroic when in fact it was a totally selfish and stupid move that screwed up Bubba's day.
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Denny's job isn't to look out for Bubba. His job is to win races for JGR. Bubba's job is to win races for 23XI even if it means racing against the guy who signs your paychecks. Bubba would not expect Denny to do anything other than push the limit.

Denny is in a no win situation with some people who find fault with him no matter what he does. If he had backed out of it as suggested above, then his detractors would have been climbing his posterior like a ladder and saying he quit and should have pushed harder. Ot he should have given Bubba the advantage but can you imagine the uproar then. Get over it. It is racing.
 
StandOnIt said:
Explain that to Wallace who missed the round of 8. ;)
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If Wallace (or any other driver) fails to advance from the first or second rounds, he should have earned enough points in the regular season to get through those rounds (like Hamlin, Larson, etc.). By failling to do so, drivers put their teams in 'must win' situations.

Wallace isn't out because of what Hamlin did at Kansas. He's out because of what he failed to do in every race leading up to it.
 
Daytripper said:
It isn't driver hamlins job to help bubba but it is owner Hamlin's job to help him. Sounds like a conflict of interests to me.
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Owner Hamlin's job is to make sure Bubba has the resources he needs to win. I don't expect driver Hamlin to help him on track any more than I would expect Reddick or Herbst to help. Their jobs are to get the best possible finish, and teammate, owner, employee, or manufacturer relationships be damned.

Many have asked what driver Hamlin's obligation is to Wallace. People seem to have forgotten Hamlin has obligations to the #11 crew to meet. They're not busting their humps so Hamlin can help someone else.

As to a conflict, that's NASCAR's call. Earnhardt is the only other one I can recall who owned a team while racing for someone else. I don't remember if we talked about him having conflicts.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Owner Hamlin's job is to make sure Bubba has the resources he needs to win. I don't expect driver Hamlin to help him on track any more than I would expect Reddick or Herbst to help. Their jobs are to get the best possible finish, and teammate, owner, employee, or manufacturer relationships be damned.

Many have asked what driver Hamlin's obligation is to Wallace. People seem to have forgotten Hamlin has obligations to the #11 crew to meet. They're not busting their humps so Hamlin can help someone else.

As to a conflict, that's NASCAR's call. Earnhardt is the only other one I can recall who owned a team while racing for someone else. I don't remember if we talked about him having conflicts.
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Because Dale understood that if he couldn't win, he was going to make sure his cars did. Ultimately you can make the case it cost him his life.
 
I’m neutral here. On one side, Hamlin wants to think he’s the best and wants to see his employees be able to beat the best. However, it’s hard to beat the best if the best runs you into the wall. I don’t think Hamlin should be obligated to help the drivers of the team he owns, but the move he made helped none of them. And knowing you had no power steering, I don’t believe this was the correct move to make on Hamlins part.
 
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