MRM
Team Owner
My pick is Kurt Busch for spinning and almost taking out Jeff Burton and several others and spinning again and taking out Kenseth.
Bonehead of the week: Loudon II
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Mopardh9
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Stewart
Front tire changer on the 48.
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SST55
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AJ Allmendinger for not putting logano in the wall. He showed a lot of patience, too much IMHO.
AndyMarquisLive
I love short track racing (Taylor's Version)
Bowyer, a good nominee for Bonehead of the Year.
ted@economy
in the interest of equal time
Bowyer? What did Bowyer do ? He sat in the car and pushed down on the gas. He didn't build the darn thing.
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chromehorn
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Thats what I was thinking, Bowyer doesn't build the cars he just drives them.
RCR Engineers should be heroes of the month; they just moved my two drivers up a spot in the points.
Tennessee Racing
Formerly Stewart Fan
Every person who worked on the #33 car.
ted@economy
in the interest of equal time
Including the tire carrier? Please. How about maybe the engineer who did it?
dpkimmel2001
Team Owner
I'm glad I waited as well to make the bonehead pick. I have to go with the 'principals of RCR'. John Darby was on Sirius Speedway yesterday afternoon. He said that the violation was virtually identical to the one discovered a week earlier at Richmond International Raceway. The only difference, the Richmond car was just within the tolerances. This one obviously wasn't.
John Darby quote on the Richmond near failure.....
I guess those meetings weren't good enough.
John Darby quote on the Richmond near failure.....
I guess those meetings weren't good enough.
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SST55
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Why is it "not good" to get as close as possible to the line without going over?
This car passed pre and post race inspection using the cage and go/no-go guages. Not until it was brought back to the R & D center and they broke out measurement equipment capable of measuring to 1/1,000 of a inch did they find a discrepancy.
Now if Na$car takes every winning car back and subjects it to the same tests and scrutiny I'll forever hold my piece. Until then I'm PO'd with Na$car.
This car passed pre and post race inspection using the cage and go/no-go guages. Not until it was brought back to the R & D center and they broke out measurement equipment capable of measuring to 1/1,000 of a inch did they find a discrepancy.
Now if Na$car takes every winning car back and subjects it to the same tests and scrutiny I'll forever hold my piece. Until then I'm PO'd with Na$car.
dpkimmel2001
Team Owner
I think the fact that they are now facing this infraction shows exactly why it is not good that they were that close to the line because this time they went over.
Also, NASCAR does inspect every wining car every week with the same scrutiny. Andy had posted an article on this subject in another thread. It can be found here.
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SST55
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Only playing the devils advocate, why wasn't it caught in the pre and post race insp?
If you're going to rely on jigs and fixtures supplied by the "official jig and fixture supplier of Na$car" to build a car and according to those the car is legal and when presented for insp at the track it passes using Na$cars official guages applied by Na$car officials and found legal both before and after the race,,,where's the beef?
If the winning car is going to be subject to laser like computer measuring after a win it should be subject to the same type of measuring before the race. If Na$car wants to use it they should make this equipment readily availible at the track so teams can be assured they're 100% within spec.
Wait, that would cost the brain money, won't happen.
dpkimmel2001
Team Owner
Take the time to read the article Andy posted. It answers those questions.
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SST55
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I did read the article and it's plain to see Na$car uses two different measurement systems.
My point is, if a car passes pre and post race insp using the guages and fixtures supplied by Na$car and measured by Na$car officials, it's legal.
Why the need to measure bodies, formed and hung by hand, in thousands of a inch when it has already passed pre and post race inspection where the tolerance is 1/8 of a inch doesn't seem right to me. Na$car should then throw away the 'claw' and open it's wallet. Get more machines and hire more inspectors and have every car subject to this detailed inspection.
Name another sport where you're checked and deemed legal then after a win a completely different method of determining legality is used.
My point is, if a car passes pre and post race insp using the guages and fixtures supplied by Na$car and measured by Na$car officials, it's legal.
Why the need to measure bodies, formed and hung by hand, in thousands of a inch when it has already passed pre and post race inspection where the tolerance is 1/8 of a inch doesn't seem right to me. Na$car should then throw away the 'claw' and open it's wallet. Get more machines and hire more inspectors and have every car subject to this detailed inspection.
Name another sport where you're checked and deemed legal then after a win a completely different method of determining legality is used.
buckaroo
Here kitty, kitty, kitty
As a former racer, you know that there are tricks of the trade where things can change during a race, making the car better. If a car is so close to tollerance, yet still is legal, there isn't going to be an infraction, but if that were to happen to me, I'd appreciate the sanctioning body telling me that I'm so close that unless I change things, I could be over the limit next time. I'd then make at least a slight change to allow for wear and tear.
dpkimmel2001
Team Owner
I sure can't explain the inspection process in any more detail than what was spelled out in that article. I'm not sure why you'd find it so difficult understand that that car can't be inspected in that much detail from top to bottom, front to back @ the track. As it stands now each and every car is open to such an examination every week depending on it's finish. This is nothing new. Even RCR isn't fighting the fact that the car didn't pass inspection. They're only fighting the cause.