Bonehead of the week: Loudon

My pick of course Morgan, and the idiot "fans" who use this obvious mess made by Morgan to get their same old same bash Logano party going. intelligent ( You don't like the guy whatever, but when a driver is wronged by something like this, you cannot turn the incident around and blame the "victim". Robert P. calling Morgan a competitor is wrong. That guy was not there to "compete", he was to keep his streak going as the oldest guy behind the wheel and to get into the GBOWR. That incident was not in the spirit of competitive racing. Logano was actually pretty nice about the whole thing..if it was anybody else it happened to, aka Stewart or Harvick look out. If this geezer took out Dale Jr, they would have needed a police escort for him out of Loudon, and the snide comments on the net would be pointed squarely at Morgan. Crazy stuff.
 
kbtoys said:
My pick of course Morgan, and the idiot "fans" who use this obvious mess made by Morgan to get their same old same bash Logano party going. intelligent ( You don't like the guy whatever, but when a driver is wronged by something like this, you cannot turn the incident around and blame the "victim". Robert P. calling Morgan a competitor is wrong. That guy was not there to "compete", he was to keep his streak going as the oldest guy behind the wheel and to get into the GBOWR. That incident was not in the spirit of competitive racing. Logano was actually pretty nice about the whole thing..if it was anybody else it happened to, aka Stewart or Harvick look out. If this geezer took out Dale Jr, they would have needed a police escort for him out of Loudon, and the snide comments on the net would be pointed squarely at Morgan. Crazy stuff.
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“It seemed like he had a hard time holding the bottom of the racetrack a little bit, but that’s something to be expected,” Busch said. “It’s so flat down there."
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Maybe Joey should've been smarter and recognized that. Other drivers did and, what do you know, they didn't wreck.

You don't race Dylan Kwasniewski like you do Jimmie Johnson. It's racing 101.
 
FLRacingFan said:
Maybe Joey should've been smarter and recognized that. Other drivers did and, what do you know, they didn't wreck.

You don't race Dylan Kwasniewski like you do Jimmie Johnson. It's racing 101.
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I clearly understand what you are saying. I saw the replay (not the best) and it look to me he cleared him well, without running up to far. It is fascinating the armchair quarterback reaction as to how this went down. Morgan from what I saw just drifted up, almost like he fell asleep at the wheel or the physical demands of that track finally got to him and was exhausted. I don't know what else he could have done, I can imagine his suprise of getting clipped on the left rear, he had passed him like 15 times, I am sure him and Tab were aware..that was a freak thing. You don't to to like the guy but to say he should have done this and that when he was doing what he was supposed to do is kinda lame, even if you don't dig him.
 
Zerkfitting said:
Might as well throw in Gordon for running out of gas and turning a good finish into a bad one. But he is still on top of the standings.
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Cant really blame that on Gordon. Wouldnt have ran out if that final caution didnt happen. ...being under caution & having no g forces to keep enough fuel on the pickup to keep it alive... Saw it coming as soon as the caution flew. Same thing happened to harvick only a few laps later.

My pick goes to all the people celebrating TNT's departure and embracing Nothing But Commercials.
 
ChexOrWrex said:
Cant really blame that on Gordon. Wouldnt have ran out if that final caution didnt happen. ...being under caution & having no g forces to keep enough fuel on the pickup to keep it alive... Saw it coming as soon as the caution flew. Same thing happened to harvick only a few laps later.

My pick goes to all the people celebrating TNT's departure and embracing Nothing But Commercials.
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NBC's coverage of the EPL, NFL, F1, IndyCar, and the like is fantastic. I don't expect anything different when they get NASCAR.
 
kbtoys said:
I clearly understand what you are saying. I saw the replay (not the best) and it look to me he cleared him well, without running up to far. It is fascinating the armchair quarterback reaction as to how this went down. Morgan from what I saw just drifted up, almost like he fell asleep at the wheel or the physical demands of that track finally got to him and was exhausted. I don't know what else he could have done, I can imagine his suprise of getting clipped on the left rear, he had passed him like 15 times, I am sure him and Tab were aware..that was a freak thing. You don't to to like the guy but to say he should have done this and that when he was doing what he was supposed to do is kinda lame, even if you don't dig him.
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I don't think he ever had him cleared. TNT's lazy turn 4 cameraman missed most of the incident and Logano's on-board isn't very telling. Morgan said his car was already loose and that he got sucked around by Joey passing on the outside. It happens to all drivers at some point.

 
Morgan said he was wicked loose.
IMO, joey shouldn't have passed a car that he knew was way slower, on the outside, thru the corner.
Joey has to own some of the blame. It's part of learning. Joey isn't a veteran.
 
FLRacingFan said:
I don't think he ever had him cleared. TNT's lazy turn 4 cameraman missed most of the incident and Logano's on-board isn't very telling. Morgan said his car was already loose and that he got sucked around by Joey passing on the outside. It happens to all drivers at some point.

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That was quit a drift, imo. I don't know where Logano "could have gone". I don't view it as your standard "racing incident", but in reality by definition it is because he was allowed "to race". I had a feeling when this guy show up when he wants to do his vanity runs, something like this would happen and it did, to one of the drivers I like. But I don't know what Nascar can do about it without creating a PR mess. I dunno, just because you can, doesn't mean you should.
 
kbtoys said:
That was quit a drift, imo. I don't know where Logano "could have gone". I don't view it as your standard "racing incident", but in reality by definition it is because he was allowed "to race". I had a feeling when this guy show up when he wants to do his vanity runs, something like this would happen and it did, to one of the drivers I like. But I don't know what Nascar can do about it without creating a PR mess. I dunno, just because you can, doesn't mean you should.
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The one I saw I believe was from a inboard camera.
 
BobbyFord said:
Morgan said he was wicked loose.
IMO, joey shouldn't have passed a car that he knew was way slower, on the outside, thru the corner.
Joey has to own some of the blame. It's part of learning. Joey isn't a veteran.
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Well Morgan looked pretty low.....when he was starting his drift, I don't know where else any driver would go to keep their run going?
 
FLRacingFan said:
I don't think he ever had him cleared. TNT's lazy turn 4 cameraman missed most of the incident and Logano's on-board isn't very telling. Morgan said his car was already loose and that he got sucked around by Joey passing on the outside. It happens to all drivers at some point.

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If you watch the lane lines from Joeys in-car, you can see him come down before the contact. He wasn't clear, but expected Morgan to slow down even more??
 
FLRacingFan said:
Maybe Joey should've been smarter and recognized that. Other drivers did and, what do you know, they didn't wreck.

You don't race Dylan Kwasniewski like you do Jimmie Johnson. It's racing 101.
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Don't know how many times you hear drivers talk about having a good time racing another. But then there are incidents like Joey and Biffle above where Biffle cut down and sucked him around. They all know the tricks to racing dirty. I think young Joey was mad and impatient because he was running second and he took it out on a backmarker. He got bit, If he is going to get better he is going to have to make better decisions than putting himself in harms way for basically nothing
 
StandOnIt said:
Don't know how many times you hear drivers talk about having a good time racing another. But then there are incidents like Joey and Biffle above where Biffle cut down and sucked him around. They all know the tricks to racing dirty. I think young Joey was mad and impatient because he was running second and he took it out on a backmarker. He got bit, If he is going to get better he is going to have to make better decisions than putting himself in harms way for basically nothing
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I totally disagree with your assesement of what happened. I got the vibe..I get it.
 
ChexOrWrex said:
We all figured out who the classier driver was. Joey kept his cool instead of showing his disgust on TV and Morgan, who should have apologized for running Joey over, decided to drop excuses.


Pretentious old bat.
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We all figured out who the classier driver was. Joey kept his cool instead of showing his disgust on TV and Morgan, who should have apologized for running Joey over, decided to drop excuses.
He never mentioned his age and was pretty calm about it. The open season on his tame comments are pretty pathetic, given the reason for his early demise. The same people claiming he needs to "respect a true pioneer of Nascar and a Elder" were the same idiots throwing the Petty's under the bus, saying horrible things because they gave a honest opinion as to Ms. Patrick. Two faced nutjobs. And calling him a "whiner", saying he had his share of wrecks. Yes and so has their favorite driver. They all do it and will do it..wreck their fellow competitor..and who should be happy about that?? The Morgan instance was a horse of a different color and not in the spirit of regular competition at supposed "premiere level" of racing. Actual it is a embarassment that he was even allowed on the track..imo.
 
FLRacingFan said:
NBC's coverage of the EPL, NFL, F1, IndyCar, and the like is fantastic. I don't expect anything different when they get NASCAR.
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The coverage may be the best ever, but the amount of commercials will not decrease. What good is awesome coverage when only a third of the race is covered?
 
If that would have been Harvick or JJ or any of the other veteran drivers i doubt that wreck would have happened. That was a learning curve for Joey...race smarter not harder when you are passing a slower car.
 
kbtoys said:
We all figured out who the classier driver was. Joey kept his cool instead of showing his disgust on TV and Morgan, who should have apologized for running Joey over, decided to drop excuses.
He never mentioned his age and was pretty calm about it. The open season on his tame comments are pretty pathetic, given the reason for his early demise. The same people claiming he needs to "respect a true pioneer of Nascar and a Elder" were the same idiots throwing the Petty's under the bus, saying horrible things because they gave a honest opinion as to Ms. Patrick. Two faced nutjobs. And calling him a "whiner", saying he had his share of wrecks. Yes and so has their favorite driver. They all do it and will do it..wreck their fellow competitor..and who should be happy about that?? The Morgan instance was a horse of a different color and not in the spirit of regular competition at supposed "premiere level" of racing. Actual it is a embarassment that he was even allowed on the track..imo.
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I don't know of anybody claiming to respect a true pioneer of Nascar, and I for one was not embarrassed he was on the track, I don't go in for that hysteria myself, reminds me of a spinster aunt who ripped the a$$ end of her britches out in Walmart. But some of you rant does have some merit in it's own twisted way. Joey should have had respect alright, respect a backmarker because they can ruin your day and then you have to get on national TV and come up with an explanation as to why you are sitting in the pits and everybody else is running laps.
 
Nitro Dude said:
If that would have been Harvick or JJ or any of the other veteran drivers i doubt that wreck would have happened. That was a learning curve for Joey...race smarter not harder when you are passing a slower car.
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I don't agree with you for a minute..not one minute...but regardless of your opinion I could say with 100 certainly Morgan would not have been afforded the care and kLogano showed in his interview..the Enfant' Terrible's would have had the FCC sensors 5 second delay (don't think it works, given what Tony get's away with) working overtime..Not picking, just stating a fact, based on past history.
 
StandOnIt said:
I don't know of anybody claiming to respect a true pioneer of Nascar, and I for one was not embarrassed he was on the track, I don't go in for that hysteria myself, reminds me of a spinster aunt who ripped the a$$ end of her britches out in Walmart. But some of you rant does have some merit in it's own twisted way. Joey should have had respect alright, respect a backmarker because they can ruin your day and then you have to get on national TV and come up with an explanation as to why you are sitting in the pits and everybody else is running laps.
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Well..nice chatting with you..this is going nowhere fast..have a nice night.
 
ChexOrWrex said:
The coverage may be the best ever, but the amount of commercials will not decrease. What good is awesome coverage when only a third of the race is covered?
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It'll happen. Not even FOX is as bad as TNT. TNT usually had around 30% of the race on commercial break, FOX was between 20-25%. TNT never used side-by-side this year. FOX did and ESPN will during the Chase. Side-by-side is a staple of NBC's F1 and IndyCar broadcasts. It's going to be a big upgrade.
 
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It'll happen. Not even FOX is as bad as TNT. TNT usually had around 30% of the race on commercial break, FOX was between 20-25%. TNT never used side-by-side this year. FOX did and ESPN will during the Chase. Side-by-side is a staple of NBC's F1 and IndyCar broadcasts. It's going to be a big upgrade.
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TNT was closer to 40% for some races, biggest commercial ho's, I think fan outrage got them to dial it back a bit, I hope that's what happened, that last boat crap got more coverage then the race. there's smart greedy and dumb greedy. They crossed over the line IMO. We all know you have to have commercials, but damn.
 
StandOnIt said:
I did the math and it came out to 38% I counted the Nascar intro's also along with the TNT horse pucky and not just the straight commercials.
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I don't think you can count the intro. Some people like the prerace stuff. Just get the green flag time from the internet and tune in then if you want to see just the race.
 
SlicedBread22 said:
Uh... no
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Exactly..what sayeth the fans who detest "the youngsters" when the statement just made "doubt it would not have happened to a veteran", which is patently absurd. What is the EXCUSE when it did happen and it does happen and will again happen to them??? Maybe the only "won't" happen is the odd's are next to zero that THEIR good run will be taken out by a 72 year old running laps..that part is the truth..lol.
 
KevinWI said:
I don't think you can count the intro. Some people like the prerace stuff. Just get the green flag time from the internet and tune in then if you want to see just the race.
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I wasn't counting that part. the race was Kentucky
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Starting at the Invocation of the race at 7:22 PM, and stopped at the waving of the checkered flag at 10:33 PM...
Minutes of race broadcast: 191
Minutes of traditional commercials: 59
Number of missed restarts: 0
Total race broadcast time: 132
Total commercial broadcast time: 59

http://www.jayski.com/news/pages/story/_/page/NASCAR-Televison-Commercials-2014
45% of the race was commercials.
I cut some of it out because of total broadcast time I can't remember how much it was I deducted, but it cvame out to around 35, 38% of the actual race was commercials. If you go back to the rate the race Kentucky, there were plenty of comments about it.
 
StandOnIt said:
I wasn't counting that part. the race was Kentucky
mreed said: ↑
Starting at the Invocation of the race at 7:22 PM, and stopped at the waving of the checkered flag at 10:33 PM...
Minutes of race broadcast: 191
Minutes of traditional commercials: 59
Number of missed restarts: 0
Total race broadcast time: 132
Total commercial broadcast time: 59

http://www.jayski.com/news/pages/story/_/page/NASCAR-Televison-Commercials-2014
45% of the race was commercials.
I cut some of it out because of total broadcast time I can't remember how much it was I deducted, but it cvame out to around 35, 38% of the actual race was commercials. If you go back to the rate the race Kentucky, there were plenty of comments about it.
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59/(132+59) is 30.8%.
 
yeah that was the actual race time. I think it was around 48 minutes during that time and then you had all the pauses going into and out of commercials. That isn't counted in their calculations. At any rate it was a lot. Somebody on here had a DVR I think it was that had the elapsed time of race time and commercial time. in a side bar and he posted it.
 
StandOnIt said:
yeah that was the actual race time. I think it was around 48 minutes during that time and then you had all the pauses going into and out of commercials. That isn't counted in their calculations. At any rate it was a lot. Somebody on here had a DVR I think it was that had the elapsed time of race time and commercial time. in a side bar and he posted it.
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http://racing-reference.info/race/2014_Quaker_State_400/W

Time of race: 2:51:59

Have you been smoking the wacky weed again?

How could the total broadcast be two hours and 12 minutes long when NASCAR says green to checkered was 2 hours, 51 minutes? Admit it, you divided by the wrong numbers. There was 132 minutes of racing, 59 minutes of commercials. Add them together to get total elapsed time.
 
you and I are looking at two different figures. total race time is total broadcast time and that is the number of commercials they counted. I am figuring commercials during the actual race, in other words how much of the actual race was missed because of commercial breaks. Two different things
 
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