Bonehead of the week: Talladega II

29-4 said:
I'll go with NBC for their insane focus on Chase Elliot. I like Chase, but I've never seen such hyperventilating over a guy running 15th.
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It was a little bizarre - especially when they were following him for a few minutes straight with Burton and LeTarte commenting on every lane change he should or shouldn't make.
 
Wrangler1 said:
It was a little bizarre - especially when they were following him for a few minutes straight with Burton and LeTarte commenting on every lane change he should or shouldn't make.
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Ya know, I actually appreciated that segment. Not for the focus on Chase, but for their explanations regarding what they felt he was doing right or wrong. I think some of their and Jr.'s commentary was very enlightening, including their explanation of the spotter traffic for the #2. I actually learned a lot about driving a plate race from this weekend's broadcast, but not enough to want plate tracks to remain on the schedule :D .
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Ya know, I actually appreciated that segment. Not for the focus on Chase, but for their explanations regarding what they felt he was doing right or wrong. I think some of their and Jr.'s commentary was very enlightening, including their explanation of the spotter traffic for the #2. I actually learned a lot about driving a plate race from this weekend's broadcast, but not enough to want plate tracks to remain on the schedule :D .
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Was right there with you right up until after that last comma. :(
 
Maybe the intense championship focus has to do with the amount of money and number of perks on the table.

Individual races matter to me.
 
2 pages and you guys missed the real bonehead who is whoever decided to tell Jr that looking like a dorky hipster with that awful outfit and stupid black glasses was a good idea.
 
MRM said:
With no big one or no real accidents, hard to pick a bonehead this week. Logano recovered from his jack issue to win. Can't give it to him. I guess I'll give mine to the 3 JGR cars and Tony Stewart for riding around in back all day and either making no effort to get to the front or didn't have the opportunity too. I understand the JGR cars stragedy. It looked like all four were hanging out in the back to get the race over. Any fans that paid money to see it in person have to be disappointed. I would be.
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Well when in Doubt….Harvick
 
Team Penske said:
NEW RULE, no car may leave pit road with any equipment. End of problem.
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I think they already have that rule and the penalty is a stop and go , I think . The problem seems to be that at a track like Daytona , you don't actually lose a lap . Maybe it should be lose a lap .
 
Taking equipment out of the pit box is prohibited. That kinda covers pit road and the track.
 
I was thinking they put out the red at the end of pit road and they can't go on the track.
That would cost a few laps at some tracks.
 
Team Penske said:
NEW RULE, no car may leave pit road with any equipment. End of problem.
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R Clarence said:
Taking equipment out of the pit box is prohibited. That kinda covers pit road and the track.
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I think Team Penske's point is that you can't leave pit road. If you have equipment hanging off the car, you should have to stop immediately to have it removed. It's the same as the rule saying you can't push a car past pit exit if you're within three stalls of it.

That also takes care of RC's objection that stopping on the next lap to remove the equipment shouldn't count as serving the penalty. Since you can't leave with the equipment, it won't still be there when you come back around to serve the penalty.
 
Do they still employee officials at the end of pit road with the stop and go paddle?
 
And, I believe Hoots' folks are in radio contact with the lady/gentleman.
 
R Clarence said:
And, I believe Hoots' folks are in radio contact with the lady/gentleman.
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Hey, the crew chief knows the equipment is still in there. Make a rule that the car absotively, posilutely cannot leave pit road with any equipment. The CC's can scream 'Stop!'; it won't be the first time they've had to do it.
 
Hey, I know.

NASCAR can play a part in it as well. Scream, "Stop the 22!"
 
Team Penske said:
I was thinking they put out the red at the end of pit road and they can't go on the track.
That would cost a few laps at some tracks.
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I like the idea but I don't think it could be reliably executed. Backing up on pit road is to be avoided, including sending out a crew member for service or jack removal outside the pit box. Pit stops happen in clusters; Apart from unscheduled stops the cars need gas and tires within very close groupings or time frames.

Again I like the idea of flagging the car, but an acess route back to the garage area would be needed. That would allow a car to loop around for service to remove whatever is needed, and almost anyone could perform the deed behind the wall. Then the car makes it's way back to the track via a pit road re-entry.

Things are also complicated by how quickly a car could be flagged. The car in the first pit box would be almost impossible to stop in time, at least more difficult to recognize and stop prior to exiting pit road.

I dont think a ratchet on a screw jack is as big of a deal, the car simply returns for removal and the natural repercussions are a strong enough deterrent imo. But a stuck floor jack is totally different. There are too many things that can go wrong if one were to become unhinged on the track. The construction, shape with the handle, weight etc could be a tumbling tripod, with catapult tendacies and it just has to many god awful possibilities. The potential to land in the green house area of another car being one of the worst.

So IMO the best defense is a strong penalty. I think the situation demands an immediate caution. And I think a punitive penalty needs to be enforced. Nobody does it intentionally but when it does happen a strong deterrent is needed imo. A two lap penalty at the least, teams have to own it, and a fail should be devastating in terms of winning the race.

This is not a dig at Lagono, to the best of my knowledge Nascar didn't/doesn't have a procedure. If that is truly the case they did the right thing by not creating a retroactive rule ( or making it up as you go). Good on Lagano for recovering and winning in accordance with the rules as currently stated.

All imo, a long read, would have been more consise if capable. (A lot of writing while the wife thought she had my undivided attention. Hopefully it makes sense.... and I ain't in trouble).
 
Wrangler1 said:
It was a little bizarre - especially when they were following him for a few minutes straight with Burton and LeTarte commenting on every lane change he should or shouldn't make.
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Honestly I think that was mostly because he was clearly the second fastest car in the field. He was the only one other than Kez able to make something happen on the bottom when everyone ran up top. If he would have waited for the right time to make some of the moves he did there's a good chance he could have got back to the front imo.. A friend of mine is a new NASCAR fan and likes Chase, he was going on about how he was gonna win and this and that and I told him it as it happened that Chase was going to try to make the passes as soon as he got a run and that it would screw him over. If he would have been more patient I don't doubt he could have given Logano a run for his money.
 
I agree that Joey should have been penalized for taking equipment out of the pit stall..... especially a jack ... of all things... something that could have been a major disaster..... but...... think of it this way...... had it hung in there for a full fuel run..... it would have already been in place for the next stop and maybe saved him a second on the pit stop..... plus..... no one would have had the balls to get close to him on the left side....... :D
 
People been dragging all kinds of stuff out of pit lane and onto the track with the same penalty for years. Come back in and get it removed or come in for a drive through. Why is everyone all jacked about a new penalty for it? Because the 22 won?
 
Ford 222 said:
People been dragging all kinds of stuff out of pit lane and onto the track with the same penalty for years. Come back in and get it removed or come in for a drive through. Why is everyone all jacked about a new penalty for it? Because the 22 won?
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I'm mostly jacked up because NASCAR didn't throw a caution. Wrenches and empty gas cans are one thing, but a jack is a lot denser piece of equipment with the capability to do serious damage to another competitor.

If NASCAR isn't going to take action when equipment like that is along for the ride, then the need a rule change to keep the equipment from even getting off pit road in the first place. Take the judgement call over throwing a caution completely out of the equation.
 
Ford 222 said:
People been dragging all kinds of stuff out of pit lane and onto the track with the same penalty for years. Come back in and get it removed or come in for a drive through. Why is everyone all jacked about a new penalty for it? Because the 22 won?
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I don't get it either . Just like the Gibbs cars riding around and the back of the field . This stuff is new to some people ? Really ? The jack didn't even come out and cause a problem , you can't stop the race for that . The flagman likely had the caution flag in his hand and they were screaming at him over the radio , to get off the track . Looked normal to me . Guess folks don't like old Joey . More penalties ? Oh please . Next time it'll be a favorite driver and folks will be arguing against any penalty .
 
ted@economy said:
I don't get it either . Just like the Gibbs cars riding around and the back of the field . This stuff is new to some people ? Really ? The jack didn't even come out and cause a problem , you can't stop the race for that . The flagman likely had the caution flag in his hand and they were screaming at him over the radio , to get off the track . Looked normal to me . Guess folks don't like old Joey . More penalties ? Oh please . Next time it'll be a favorite driver and folks will be arguing against any penalty .
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Wait ..what?!.. People don't like Joey? Since when??

:D
 
Charlie Spencer said:
I'm mostly jacked up because NASCAR didn't throw a caution. Wrenches and empty gas cans are one thing, but a jack is a lot denser piece of equipment with the capability to do serious damage to another competitor.

If NASCAR isn't going to take action when equipment like that is along for the ride, then the need a rule change to keep the equipment from even getting off pit road in the first place. Take the judgement call over throwing a caution completely out of the equation.
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I have not heard why Nascar did not feel that the situation with the 22 car did not represent a clear and present danger but it would interesting to hear.

Ford 222 said:
People been dragging all kinds of stuff out of pit lane and onto the track with the same penalty for years. Come back in and get it removed or come in for a drive through. Why is everyone all jacked about a new penalty for it? Because the 22 won?
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The normal penalty was fine for me and I don't blame JLo for continuing on the track at speed and attempting to dislodge the jack as it wasn't going to impact him in all likelihood. I can't see him even thinking about the potential consequences of his actions as he is trying to win a race and that is why Nascar should have waved the yellow.

ted@economy said:
I don't get it either . Just like the Gibbs cars riding around and the back of the field . This stuff is new to some people ? Really ? The jack didn't even come out and cause a problem , you can't stop the race for that . The flagman likely had the caution flag in his hand and they were screaming at him over the radio , to get off the track . Looked normal to me . Guess folks don't like old Joey . More penalties ? Oh please . Next time it'll be a favorite driver and folks will be arguing against any penalty .
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I am really surprised you didn't feel a caution should have been called due to the possibility of the jack being dislodged and sent on its merry way at 150 mph+. I have read where you have approved of Nascar calling a caution to remove an object on the track but when the workers went to remove it the debris had blown away or otherwise disappeared. I think you may have even mentioned things like getting a radiator getting punctured or driver injury. When JLo was weaving back and forth trying to jettison the jack I didn't know if it would come loose or not but I am glad none of us had to find out.
 
Skoalbandit33 said:
I am really surprised you didn't feel a caution should have been called due to the possibility of the jack being dislodged and sent on its merry way at 150 mph+. I have read where you have approved of Nascar calling a caution to remove an object on the track but when the workers went to remove it the debris had blown away or otherwise disappeared. I think you may have even mentioned things like getting a radiator getting punctured or driver injury. When JLo was weaving back and forth trying to jettison the jack I didn't know if it would come loose or not but I am glad none of us had to find out.
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I'm 100% in favour of throwing the caution if the jack came out . I can't believe you are wanting a caution if the jack doesn't come out . Kinda like wanting a caution before the water bottle hits the track . And he wasn't doing 150+ , he was riding lowly back around to pit entrance at the bottom of the track , trying to do the MWR thing and shake it loose to cause a caution . No soup for you Joey .
 
ted@economy said:
I'm 100% in favour of throwing the caution if the jack came out . I can't believe you are wanting a caution if the jack doesn't come out . Kinda like wanting a caution before the water bottle hits the track . And he wasn't doing 150+ , he was riding lowly back around to pit entrance at the bottom of the track , trying to do the MWR thing and shake it loose to cause a caution . No soup for you Joey .
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When Nascar black flags a car with only one hood pin or flapping sheet metal or dragging something it does so prior to something bad happening. In other words Nascar doesn't wait for the hood to helicopter into the stands or a piece of sheet metal to fall off a car before calling it in.

I value my membership here so I cannot say what comparing a rogue jack capable of causing serious damage to a water bottle is but suffice it to say it ain't good.
 
I don't know what got into Joey , shaking his car back and forth like that . Maybe he wanted to cause a major Multicar wreck with parts flying into the stands. Shouldn't he get some of the blame ? I can't say anything because he is Brad's teammate , but maybe Nascar could sit him out for a race?
 
ted@economy said:
I don't know what got into Joey , shaking his car back and forth like that . Maybe he wanted to cause a major Multicar wreck with parts flying into the stands. Shouldn't he get some of the blame ? I can't say anything because he is Brad's teammate , but maybe Nascar could sit him out for a race?
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Ted has anyone even hinted or suggested that Joey wanted to cause a major wreck with parts flying into the stands? Injected Brad into this discussion, or suggested any post race penalties at all, that would even be relevant to an over the top suspension.
 
Greg said:
The jack has nothing to do with who offended or Joey in this case, at least for me.
The jack posed a lot of dangers that is difficult to deny.
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You see this issue as any reasonable person with common sense would but obviously common sense is not all that common. Unfortunately when partisanship becomes involved all logic and reason gets tossed as has happened in some quarters here.
 
Bone head? no, Boneheads. Nafcar for making dega boring. Little passing equals little excitement. I dont get jgr, they were going to finish no worse than they did so why not at least "try" If i were a jibbs fan ( and I am not) i would be pissed to see that lack luster effort........ if a car can make half the races and still win the championship, something is wrong with the system..... DTC! = Dump The Chase.
NBC showed something different last week, it was a "bubble car" (s) the 24 got more camera time than the jibbs cars for a change and people complain? It was a breath of fresh air IMO especially coming from NBC
 
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