Bonehead of the Week: Talladega

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Pack racing vs. not pack racing:
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Sunday’s Daytona 500 averaged a 4.4 rating and 8.17 million viewers on FOX, down 7% in ratings and 8% in viewership from last year (4.7, 8.87M) and the third-smallest audience ever for the race.


While ratings and viewership declined, the race averaged its highest share — 15.16, meaning that 15% of homes with televisions in use were tuned to the race — since 2016 (15.23). As television viewing declines, the share of the audience will tend to increase even as ratings and viewership decline

Fox earned a 2.48 rating and 4.315 million viewers for Sunday’s Pala Casino 400 at Auto Club Speedway.
 

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For years those races have been at in the top tier in attendance and ratings. You don't like them fine, and people such as yourself look for any excuse, I get it.

It's not an excuse to be concerned with driver safety. I don't even really watch nascar that much, but when drivers are getting concussed (and in one case ending a career), I think that needs looking into.

I'm not against superspeedway racing at all. Not even close, but we can have races like last weekend. I don't even mind the crashes so much except there's a real chance it could go much worse. All the drivers hate Talladega ad they hate racing there. I'm not a Kyle Bush fan at all, but if you remember what he had to say after Daytona it's worth considering doing things to make it safer.
Those tracks aren't going anywhere though is the reality in what I am saying.
Nor do we want them to. You don't drop a track that we've had for fifty years and is always packed, but then again, I don't think it's smart to have many weekends like we just had last. The infinity race was just plain stupid.
They are increasing not disappearing is the reality.
Nor do we want them too. We just need to make it a little safer and break up the pack racing a little.
 

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That's debatable. It was a miscalculation on Preece & his spotter. It could've happened at any other track, in my opinion.
Yeah, but it as pack racing that caused the pile up behind them. When you are running two abreast and have 30 cars nose to tail, what kind of chance do the guys buried in the pack have when it goes south?
 

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True, the lower the HP the better the ratings. Maybe we should reduce output to 510 everywhere or even 450 like the All-Star Race at Charlotte several years ago.
 

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It's not an excuse to be concerned with driver safety. I don't even really watch nascar that much, but when drivers are getting concussed (and in one case ending a career), I think that needs looking into.

I'm not against superspeedway racing at all. Not even close, but we can have races like last weekend. I don't even mind the crashes so much except there's a real chance it could go much worse. All the drivers hate Talladega ad they hate racing there. I'm not a Kyle Bush fan at all, but if you remember what he had to say after Daytona it's worth considering doing things to make it safer.

Nor do we want them to. You don't drop a track that we've had for fifty years and is always packed, but then again, I don't think it's smart to have many weekends like we just had last. The infinity race was just plain stupid.

Nor do we want them too. We just need to make it a little safer and break up the pack racing a little.
That isn't a true statement, used by many to make a point. But once again, pack racing are some of the most popular races that Nascar has. They aren't going anywhere, they have increased.
 

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Sunday’s Daytona 500 averaged a 4.4 rating and 8.17 million viewers on FOX, down 7% in ratings and 8% in viewership from last year (4.7, 8.87M) and the third-smallest audience ever for the race.


While ratings and viewership declined, the race averaged its highest share — 15.16, meaning that 15% of homes with televisions in use were tuned to the race — since 2016 (15.23). As television viewing declines, the share of the audience will tend to increase even as ratings and viewership decline

Fox earned a 2.48 rating and 4.315 million viewers for Sunday’s Pala Casino 400 at Auto Club Speedway.
The amount of viewers has no impact on the quality of the racing.
 

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The amount of viewers has no impact on the quality of the racing.
LOL, it does have impact on the pocket book. Far right extremist opinions overlook the fact that these Super Speedway races are consistently in the top tier of popularity. An R-F rating pole with ten people for proof on the quality of the racing is laughable. Lol
 

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Kyle Busch has been released by two teams, suspended from two races because of a lack of judgement and I am supposed to take his word or any driver for that matter as gospel? I don't care if they don't like the track or not, and plenty of others agree, the tracks aren't going anywhere. Now drivers can leave, the door is always open nobody is making them stay, they signed contracts and I bet none of them said I'm not racing super speedways lol.
 

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Yeah, but it as pack racing that caused the pile up behind them. When you are running two abreast and have 30 cars nose to tail, what kind of chance do the guys buried in the pack have when it goes south?
Well the reduced hp (used to be plates) cause the pack racing but it lesser of 2 evils. Take that away and cars would be flying - literally. Then not only would we have drivers hurt it would be fans as well.
 

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LOL, it does have impact on the pocket book. Far right extremist opinions overlook the fact that these Super Speedway races are consistently in the top tier of popularity.

So were the Christians V lions spectaculars.

Far right extremist opinion? There's a left and a right view in stockcar racing? Damm, I thought it was all about winning, losing and not getting killed. Now we're injecting politics into that? Maybe I'm wrong to think it's the safety of the drivers and good racing that's important, and external politics is the way to run things.



An R-F rating pole with ten people for proof on the quality of the racing is laughable. Lol
The quality of crashing was stellar, but I am not sure we want that. Oh, I'm sure some folks tune in wanting to see armageddon, but most of us would rather see a clean race. I'm ok with a crash or two because it's racing, but the kind of melee they had on Saturday was simply unacceptable and honestly, quite embarrassing. The "best in the world at what they do" can't drive in a circle without tearing up millions of dollars of equipment? You don't find that embarrassing? Oh, wait, it's popular so who cares?

No one in this conversation gives a damm about the lazy attendance argument. We don't. That's a completely different discussion and I don't tune in to watch the grandstands anyway. My favorite race was the 2020 Indianapolis 500, simply because there were no bitchy fans in the stands. We had a race for the ages without them, so how does zero attendance put a dent in that?

We care about drivers not getting hurt and not having so much good equipment torn up. Maybe ask any of the team owners if they enjoy going back to the shop with $100,000 worth of damage to pay for. Maybe ask Kurt Buch how much fun it was to have his career ended in a rather pedestrian looking crash. Having a packed stands doesn't make those things go away.
 

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Well the reduced hp (used to be plates) cause the pack racing but it lesser of 2 evils. Take that away and cars would be flying - literally. Then not only would we have drivers hurt it would be fans as well.
The cars of the 60s were pretty quick, but they didn't have pack racing. They did not produce as much downforce and even at Daytona they were lifting and sliding around and we almost never saw the kind of huge piles ups we have today simply because they were not so packed up.

Less HP satisfies the insurance companies because they don't like to see those 200mph speeds, but the knock off effect is the cars run around flat. Being relative equal cars, they are going to pack up, and we know what that means. I think the answer is peeling off downforce and let them slide around and actually drive the cars instead of steering strictly to not run into each other.
 

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The cars of the 60s were pretty quick, but they didn't have pack racing. They did not produce as much downforce and even at Daytona they were lifting and sliding around and we almost never saw the kind of huge piles ups we have today simply because they were not so packed up.

Less HP satisfies the insurance companies because they don't like to see those 200mph speeds, but the knock off effect is the cars run around flat. Being relative equal cars, they are going to pack up, and we know what that means. I think the answer is peeling off downforce and let them slide around and actually drive the cars instead of steering strictly to not run into each other.
So now we want faster cars sliding around?.............Got it!
 

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The cars of the 60s were pretty quick, but they didn't have pack racing. They did not produce as much downforce and even at Daytona they were lifting and sliding around and we almost never saw the kind of huge piles ups we have today simply because they were not so packed up.

Less HP satisfies the insurance companies because they don't like to see those 200mph speeds, but the knock off effect is the cars run around flat. Being relative equal cars, they are going to pack up, and we know what that means. I think the answer is peeling off downforce and let them slide around and actually drive the cars instead of steering strictly to not run into each other.

37 Cars Crashed in 1960

Back in the 60s, more than 65 cars participate in the Daytona 500. In recent days the regular number of cars is 43. In 1960 Daytona 500, there was a massive crash which included 37 cars out of 68. One driver lost his control while driving on 150mph. Right away all the cars behind hits each other with high speed. As a result, all of the 37 drives had to get out of the track as all the cars were wrecked.

The video of 1960 Daytona 500 crash is available on YouTube.

 

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I want to say Bubba. But, I don't know, is Wreckers or Checkers a good strategy?
There's the rub, if the block worked he'd be the hero of the day. But it didn't so now he's a bonehead contender. But for sure this was a checkers or wreckers situation.
 
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There's the rub, if the block worked he'd be the hero of the day. But it didn't so now he's a bonehead contender. But for sure this was a checkers or wreckers situation.
The hard part for me was that Bubba had been a wreck waiting to happen the whole day. They never tightened the car up. He gave it hell in his defense lol, but I was surprised he lasted that long.
 

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The racing at Dega and Daytona are 1,000 times better in person at the track than on TV. That is why they sell out.
There is nothing like 40, 600 to 700 HP (use to be 850) naturally aspirated, push rod engines at full song, coming by at 180 to 200 MPH. I get chill bumps every time I go.

I have said this here before, there is no sound like the sound of 40 of these race cars going into turn 3 at Daytona and the roar that rolls back over the track to the grand stands is super exhilarating (if your a race fan), then 1/2 way between turn 3 and 4 they all but go dead quiet, then as they leave turn 4 into the first leg of the dog leg,you feel them coming, not hear them, feel them coming down the front stretch to the dog leg and then the roar comes back as they go by, nothing like it anywhere I have ever been.

My seats are straight across from the third stall before pit road exit. section 362 row 12 at Daytona for the Coke 400.
 

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There's the rub, if the block worked he'd be the hero of the day. But it didn't so now he's a bonehead contender. But for sure this was a checkers or wreckers situation.
Even if it did work he still had the whole back stretch, 3 and 4 and the front stretch to mess it up.........then had he managed to come back around he'd be a hero
 

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Speak for yourself boy, I go for the excitment and the racing, not wrecks and mayhem.

The promos for the races are full of firey crashes and rollovers. And Fox spent the entire race hyping "The Big One."
There are entire swaths of "fans" who only watch these glorified demo derbies.
 

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The promos for the races are full of firey crashes and rollovers. And Fox spent the entire race hyping "The Big One."
There are entire swaths of "fans" who only watch these glorified demo derbies.
You know what Bud? There aren't 4 races this year that feature pack racing, now it has been increased to 6. You know what I am going to do? I'm going to enjoy every one of them. You know what you are going to do? Nothing, you're powerless lol.
 

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You know what Bud? There aren't 4 races this year that feature pack racing, now it has been increased to 6. You know what I am going to do? I'm going to enjoy every one of them. You know what you are going to do? Nothing, you're powerless lol.

And soon it'll be 7 or 8. Because these demolition derbies are far and away the most popular brand of "racing" because of the wrecks.

You'd sit here and tell us a NASCAR race is better than F1 or short track racing if they ran 400 laps at Dover with no lead changes and no position changes.
 

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And soon it'll be 7 or 8. Because these demolition derbies are far and away the most popular brand of "racing" because of the wrecks.

You'd sit here and tell us a NASCAR race is better than F1 or short track racing if they ran 400 laps at Dover with no lead changes and no position changes.
You're powerless lol.
 

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I've said I hate this style of racing and conceded we'll be stuck with more and more of it because NASCAR fans want a show, not a race.

What purpose do your repeated cheap shots serve? And not just at me but at almost every member of this forum?

How many people have been kicked off this forum because of your trolling and the cheap shots you throw at everyone?

I just don't like you and your constant trolling.
 

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The promos for the races are full of firey crashes and rollovers. And Fox spent the entire race hyping "The Big One."
There are entire swaths of "fans" who only watch these glorified demo derbies.

Looks like that swath of fans is pretty big to me and they buy hospitality tents, hospitality suits, tee shirts, hats, beer, automobiles, race tickets, camper spot, airline tickets, hotel rooms, food, put up with traffic jams nd have a good time. I do not see why you are so against any racing that Nascar does (except for Martinsville). It is entertainment, that is why I watch and spend monies going to and watching Nascar Races and also why the "SWATHS" of folk do also.
I iwll never try and tell you what to do, but, might I suggest to you, don't watch any of the Nascar Races that are not short track, and let the rest of us enjoy the variety that this series gives us.
 

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37 Cars Crashed in 1960

Back in the 60s, more than 65 cars participate in the Daytona 500. In recent days the regular number of cars is 43. In 1960 Daytona 500, there was a massive crash which included 37 cars out of 68. One driver lost his control while driving on 150mph. Right away all the cars behind hits each other with high speed. As a result, all of the 37 drives had to get out of the track as all the cars were wrecked.

The video of 1960 Daytona 500 crash is available on YouTube.


I qualified my statement with "almost never." That 1960 wreck was something else.
 

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I qualified my statement with "almost never." That 1960 wreck was something else.
This is a write up from the next year 1961.

The two qualifying events which established the starting lineup of the Daytona 500 were marred by multiple crashes in which at least one fan and seven drivers were injured on February 24, 1961.[8] A total of 34 drivers were scheduled for the first of two qualifying events, and 33 cars scheduled for the second event. The top 20 finishers would secure positions in the upcoming 500-mile (800 km) event, with winners of each qualifier also earning a $5,000 purse. The top two time-trial qualifiers were also guaranteed the top two starting spots.[9]
 

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Do we want them stuck to the ground and running flat out in a big pack? Do we really want more of what we saw this weekend?
The stands were packed and the infield was full to overflowing. I don't know what to tell you. People get mad when told to not watch if they don't like it, they don't believe it when they are told that there aren't four but 6 races that race that style of racing. :idunno:
 

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Those are two examples from the last 60 years. Now days though, there's a big one almost every time at Daytona and Talladega. Sometimes there's two, or if you look at what happened Saturday it's almost it's own sport. I think you'll find "big one" wrecks were far less prevalent in the old days.

Or, if I am wrong and "big ones" happened all the time, where's that Nascar commitment to safety? They have only had 60 years to figure it out, or maybe they just don't give a damm and figure it's safe enough.
 
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