Bring Our People Home!

OK, I am almost 61 years old and a conservative liberal. It is NOT a WAR, and our blessed country has NOT gone to war since WWII. We and our gvt have made INCURSIONS into the rest of the planet's business since theen, even tho we were asked to help. We, as citizens, need to scream for help to STOP our country from being the babysitter for the planet. We spend billions on other contries, but do not take care of our own. There is only 1 country that paid us back.
I say bring them home and take care of the USA no matter what your political beliefs
 
Originally posted by bowtie@Nov 7 2003, 11:15 PM
whatever? ya'll are young, you'll figure it out one day.
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Go ahead and stay in denial bow,I guess you don't mind letting our current administration turn us into the new Roman Empire.
 

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Originally posted by Mopardh9@Nov 8 2003, 09:14 AM
As far as the Patriot act : that is to help insure we will have freedom in the future i for one don't have a problem with it ,why would i ....it is enacted to deter terrorism. The way i look at it i have nothing to hide so what is the big deal.
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Patriot Act Sec_224
Sec_802.htm the term `domestic terrorism' means activities that--involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State;
That would make jaywalking a terorist act
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That sounds all well and good. But we can't isolate ourselves from the rest of the world. The world is to small. Are we to hide im little holes and watch our people murdered overseas or even here in our home land. I am not a war monger but I don't feel we can afford to do that.
 
Originally posted by kat2220@Nov 8 2003, 07:12 PM
OK, I am almost 61 years old and a conservative liberal. It is NOT a WAR, and our blessed country has NOT gone to war since WWII. We and our gvt have made INCURSIONS into the rest of the planet's business since theen, even tho we were asked to help. We, as citizens, need to scream for help to STOP our country from being the babysitter for the planet. We spend billions on other contries, but do not take care of our own. There is only 1 country that paid us back.
I say bring them home and take care of the USA no matter what your political beliefs
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Well, if this is not a war then I guess the planes that hit the trade center were a prank played by some mischievious arabs? and would being pro active against terrorist not be taking care of AMERICANS?
 
I hate to jump in on this one guys. I am a pretty apolitical sort of guy.

Kat---you are a dear lady and nobody despises war more than I do.Please understand I am qualified to speak on this. I have had the misfortune of being in three of these 'non-wars' as you call them. One in Grenada,one in Panama and one in Iraq. In the latter two I had personal friends killed. Semantics and labels are debatable but death isn't. These soldiers are dead. To say they were killed in 'non-wars' stings me just a little.

Thats the only point I will make on this topic.

Later guys.
 
Ya cant forget Vietnam either, that was the bloodiest conflict we as a people have ever had to deal with, and today it is still in the minds of our politicians, citizens and servicepeople.

Bush still hasnt explained or backed up the case for war, nor has he given us the real facts behind the September 11th attack, he's only used the September attack, the blood of innocents and the blood our young men and women overseas as an excuse to increase his powers (think about Star Wars Episode II!) and undermine our rights. The WMDs have been replaced by "good news". However, if "good news" means getting Americans killed, then the media and the administrations people are a bunch of sick freaks.

As we approach the eve of veterans day for all our soldiers, past and present who died either fighting the redcoats or died storming Normandy beach etc., it is important that their sacrifices are not made an excuse for Bush to continue destroying the rights those soldiers, sailors, airmen and marines died for. I'd like to tell you guys at this point, being skeptical about our government is a good thing, no, it is a great thing to be able to speak out in the little democracy we have left in our federal republic before anything more is done to it.

To show my gratitude and my thanks to all my servicemen and women so we can have freedom of speech and expression and the media and the right to be skeptical about our leaders, some fairly elected others appointed , I will be at the Veterans Day Parade here in Henderson like I always have. And to any soldier, sailor, airmen or marine who reads this, thank you for service. :salute:

This is my last last statement in this debate, I've summed up the long and short of it for me. I wish a friendly debate upon you all, and please dont get it too personal. See ya guys around !
 
Project for a New American Century
Of course, the United States must be prudent in how it exercises its power. But we cannot safely avoid the responsibilities of global leadership or the costs that are associated with its exercise. America has a vital role in maintaining peace and security in Europe, Asia, and the Middle East. If we shirk our responsibilities, we invite challenges to our fundamental interests. The history of the 20th century should have taught us that it is important to shape circumstances before crises emerge, and to meet threats before they become dire. The history of this century should have taught us to embrace the cause of American leadership.

Our aim is to remind Americans of these lessons and to draw their consequences for today. Here are four consequences:

we need to increase defense spending significantly if we are to carry out our global
responsibilities today and modernize our armed forces for the future; :blink:


we need to strengthen our ties to democratic allies and to challenge regimes hostile to our interests and values;( Wtg President Dumbass)


Elliott Abrams Gary Bauer William J. Bennett Jeb Bush

Dick Cheney Eliot A. Cohen Midge Decter Paula Dobriansky Steve Forbes

Aaron Friedberg Francis Fukuyama Frank Gaffney Fred C. Ikle

Donald Kagan Zalmay Khalilzad I. Lewis Libby Norman Podhoretz

Dan Quayle Peter W. Rodman Stephen P. Rosen Henry S. Rowen

Donald Rumsfeld Vin Weber George Weigel Paul Wolfowitz

The Plan for Global Military Dominance. Re: Pax Americana
 
This is my last post on this subject........i will end it with this: If the United States does not step in , take care of world issues ( terrorism) who will? The threat is there daily, we have no idea of the amount each day, many are not reported in the media. The world is a different place then when i grew up in the 1970s, if the US stands back and does nothing like it did back in the early to mid 90s 9/11 or worse will happen again. We can not be complacent....i'm sorry some of you took this little debate so personal,it was not meant to attack any individual , so if i offended anyone my appologies.
 
Let me dispell the myth for you all,THERE IS NO TERRORIST THREAT. You really believe. "they hate us because we're free" Thats so laughable I can't believe anyone buys it. And " we have to fight them over there or we'd be fighting them here" what a bunch of crap. Yeah I'm sure the mighty Al-Qaida is in hiding waiting to kill us all. The american sheeple have been buffaloed into believing one of the biggest lies of all time. How do I know? Well watch the movie in my signature,then research it. Then you will know too.Sorry to be so brusque about it but,I really hate the fact that I used to believe this bs too.
 
:bslfag: You sell that crap to 3000 dead people in NY and PENN.
 
Originally posted by Old Ironhead@Nov 9 2003, 07:35 PM
Let me dispell the myth for you all,THERE IS NO TERRORIST THREAT.
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This has to be the most idiotic post I have ever seen on this board. I think Klinton said something like that a few years ago.


Ironhead, I have no idea where you live, nor do I care. But I know where I'm at and I hear of these threats coming in just about every week. People are getting detained weekly because of a threat they have made or because of suspicious activity they have engaged in. You think there's not any terrorists in this country? You are in for a very rude awakening.....

Like someone else said, maybe those planes that crashed into our building was a big joke.
 
How could you make such an idiotic statement? And what do you have to back that up?
I'm with ya Gollum!

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Howdy 97.....tough luck on that 4th quarter dropped pass. ;)


I used to argue with kids who thought they knew all the answers, even though they weren't old enough to vote. They saw Klinton on MTV and think he is the greatest leader this country ever had....just not worth my time. They don't look into his administration and see what he really was......

But when I see a post like Ironhead's, it tends to get my ire up a little more. That's the dumbest thing I have heard in a long time.
 
Strange this whole thing supposidly started because Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. When we first came in supposedly we knew where they were we had sat photos and credible evidence. Where are the WMDS???????????

acomplished thats funny. No wmds found, our troops and allied troops are getting killed left and right, also as far as rebuilding goes how can you rebuild when theres still a war going on.
 
Originally posted by Old Ironhead+Nov 10 2003, 02:23 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Old Ironhead @ Nov 10 2003, 02:23 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Gollum@Nov 9 2003, 07:48 PM
:bslfag: You sell that crap to 3000 dead people in NY and PENN.
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Oh really? I guess this is crazy too huh.

MANY 9-11 "HIJACKERS" ARE STILL ALIVE.

Posted By: September11
Date: 27, January 03, at 10:01 p.m.


THESE 9-11 "HIJACKERS" ARE STILL ALIVE.
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OK if these are Hijackers and still alive then you just proved how stupid your other post is. But now I will go no to other things. You can have it. :D
 
Originally posted by fergy1370+Nov 9 2003, 07:51 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (fergy1370 @ Nov 9 2003, 07:51 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Old Ironhead@Nov 9 2003, 07:35 PM
Let me dispell the myth for you all,THERE IS NO TERRORIST THREAT.
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This has to be the most idiotic post I have ever seen on this board. I think Klinton said something like that a few years ago.


Ironhead, I have no idea where you live, nor do I care. But I know where I'm at and I hear of these threats coming in just about every week. People are getting detained weekly because of a threat they have made or because of suspicious activity they have engaged in. You think there's not any terrorists in this country? You are in for a very rude awakening.....

Like someone else said, maybe those planes that crashed into our building was a big joke. [/b][/quote]
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Ananova
US agents told to back off bin Ladens

The BBC says that America's special agents backed away from the bin Laden family soon after George W Bush became president.

Agents were also told to back off the Saudi royals - although that has all changed since September 11.

The findings come from documents obtained from the FBI investigation of the US terror attacks by the Newsnight programme.

The papers show that despite the myth that Osama is the black sheep of the family, at least two other American-based members of it are suspected of links with a possible terrorist organisation.

Newsnight says it has uncovered a long history of shadowy connections between the State Department, the CIA and the Saudis.

The former head of the American visa bureau in Jeddah from 1987 to 1989, Michael Springman, told the programme: "In Saudi Arabia I was repeatedly ordered by high-level State Department officials to issue visas to unqualified applicants.

"People who had no ties either to Saudi Arabia or to their own country. I complained there. I complained here in Washington to Main State, to the Inspector General and to Diplomatic Security and I was ignored."

He added: "What I was doing was giving visas to terrorists - recruited by the CIA and Osama bin Laden to come back to the United States for training to be used in the war in Afghanistan against the then Soviets."

The US allegedly wanted to keep the pro-American Saudi royal family in control of the world's biggest oil spigot, even at the price of turning a blind eye to any terrorist connection - so long as America was safe.

The programme said the younger George Bush made his first million with an oil company partly funded by the chief US representative of Salem bin Laden, Osama's brother, who took over as head of the family after his father Mohammed's death in a plane crash in 1968
 
Originally posted by Gollum+Nov 9 2003, 09:30 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Gollum @ Nov 9 2003, 09:30 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
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:bslfag: You sell that crap to 3000 dead people in NY and PENN.
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Oh really? I guess this is crazy too huh.

MANY 9-11 "HIJACKERS" ARE STILL ALIVE.

Posted By: September11
Date: 27, January 03, at 10:01 p.m.


THESE 9-11 "HIJACKERS" ARE STILL ALIVE.
http://www.uscrusade.com/forum/config.pl/read/987
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OK if these are Hijackers and still alive then you just proved how stupid your other post is. But now I will go no to other things. You can have it. :D [/b][/quote]
How does that prove that my post was stupid? I't doesn't mean the men they say were on the plane were even terrorists.
 
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Ashcroft Flying High
CBS News
WASHINGTON, July 26, 2001

(CBS) Fishing rod in hand, Attorney General John Ashcroft left on a weekend trip to Missouri Thursday afternoon aboard a chartered government jet, reports CBS News Correspondent Jim Stewart.

In response to inquiries from CBS News over why Ashcroft was traveling exclusively by leased jet aircraft instead of commercial airlines, the Justice Department cited what it called a "threat assessment" by the FBI, and said Ashcroft has been advised to travel only by private jet for the remainder of his term.

"There was a threat assessment and there are guidelines. He is acting under the guidelines," an FBI spokesman said. Neither the FBI nor the Justice Department, however, would identify what the threat was, when it was detected or who made it.

A senior official at the CIA said he was unaware of specific threats against any Cabinet member, and Ashcroft himself, in a speech in California, seemed unsure of the nature of the threat.

"I don't do threat assessments myself and I rely on those whose responsibility it is in the law enforcement community, particularly the FBI. And I try to stay within the guidelines that they've suggested I should stay within for those purposes," Ashcroft said.

Asked if he knew anything about the threat or who might have made it, the attorney general replied, "Frankly, I don't. That's the answer."

Earlier this week, the Justice Department leased a NASA-owned G-3 Gulfstream for a 6-day trip to Western states. Such aircraft cost the government more than $1,600 an hour to fly. When asked whether Ashcroft was paying for any portion of the trips devoted to personal business, a Justice Department spokeswoman declined to respond.

All other Bush Cabinet appointees, with the exception of Interior and Energy with remote sites to oversee, fly commercial airliners. Janet Reno, Ashcroft's predecessor as attorney general, also routinely flew commercial. The secretaries of State and Defense traditionally travel with extra security on military planes.

The Justice Department insists that it wasn't Ashcroft who wanted to fly leased aircraft. That idea, they said, came strictly from Ashcroft's FBI security detail. The FBI had no further comment.
 
Originally posted by Mopardh9@Nov 9 2003, 06:23 PM
This is my last post on this subject........i will end it with this: If the United States does not step in , take care of world issues ( terrorism) who will? The threat is there daily, we have no idea of the amount each day, many are not reported in the media. The world is a different place then when i grew up in the 1970s, if the US stands back and does nothing like it did back in the early to mid 90s 9/11 or worse will happen again. We can not be complacent....i'm sorry some of you took this little debate so personal,it was not meant to attack any individual , so if i offended anyone my appologies.
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once again well said mopar :salute:
 
Originally posted by 97forever@Nov 8 2003, 09:23 PM
I hate to jump in on this one guys. I am a pretty apolitical sort of guy.

Kat---you are a dear lady and nobody despises war more than I do.Please understand I am qualified to speak on this. I have had the misfortune of being in three of these 'non-wars' as you call them. One in Grenada,one in Panama and one in Iraq. In the latter two I had personal friends killed. Semantics and labels are debatable but death isn't. These soldiers are dead. To say they were killed in 'non-wars' stings me just a little.

Thats the only point I will make on this topic.

Later guys.
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97, that was a very insightful post for me, and thank you. I really appreciate it that you did not attack anyone, like others seem to be doing. Infighting only destroys but it seems that some are bound on destruction.
I almost wish I had not posted the thread.
Bless our troops and our country! :salute:
 
Originally posted by kat2220+Nov 10 2003, 04:07 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (kat2220 @ Nov 10 2003, 04:07 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--97forever@Nov 8 2003, 09:23 PM
I hate to jump in on this one guys. I am a pretty apolitical sort of guy.

Kat---you are a dear lady and nobody despises war more than I do.Please understand I am qualified to speak on this. I have had the misfortune of being in three of these 'non-wars' as you call them. One in Grenada,one in Panama and one in Iraq. In the latter two I had personal friends killed. Semantics and labels are debatable but death isn't. These soldiers are dead. To say they were killed in 'non-wars' stings me just a little.

Thats the only point I will make on this topic.

Later guys.
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97, that was a very insightful post for me, and thank you. I really appreciate it that you did not attack anyone, like others seem to be doing. Infighting only destroys but it seems that some are bound on destruction.
I almost wish I had not posted the thread.
Bless our troops and our country! :salute: [/b][/quote]
Hi. Kat. All is well. :salute:
 
Originally posted by steveluvs3+Nov 9 2003, 09:42 PM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (steveluvs3 @ Nov 9 2003, 09:42 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Mopardh9@Nov 9 2003, 06:23 PM
This is my last post on this subject........i will end it with this: If the United States does not step in , take care of world issues ( terrorism) who will? The threat is there daily, we have no idea of the amount each day, many are not reported in the media. The world is a different place then when i grew up in the 1970s, if the US stands back and does nothing like it did back in the early to mid 90s 9/11 or worse will happen again. We can not be complacent....i'm sorry some of you took this little debate so personal,it was not meant to attack any individual , so if i offended anyone my appologies.
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once again well said mopar :salute:[/b][/quote]
Mopar and steveluv, another wake-up call for this older Kat. Thanks and please see my previous post. :salute:
 
Hey Kat this was a good topic,i enjoyed replying to it. I do find some of the responses "very interesting to say the least". I'said i wouldn't post again on it, but i must say Ironhead : I don't know where you get you information, but that post about there not being terrorist has to be the silliest thing i have read in this thread. But hey everyone is entiteled to their opinion, that is what makes this country great. So if you and some other people in this country believe that there are and were no terrorists in the past (9/11) then go ahead and think that. I for one feel this country is vulnerable to a attack, i just hope that is doesn't come home again. :salute: :cheers:
 
And I'm sorry If I offended anyone,but there is alot of information that the general public doesn't know,I'll leave it at that.
 
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