Bruton Smith says lack of cautions 'damaging to our sport'

If the cars truly were stock appearing , that might bring back a lot of interest . The reason that that will never happen is that the manufacturers are no longer willing to make sleek two door models just for the purpose of winning in NASCAR . They naturally want to promote their most popular models , which nowdays are 4 door sedans . And those cars can't be driven above 130 mph , they aren't stable enough . Aero devices could be added to help , but NASCAR doesn't want to get into the policing of all of that . So actual stock appearing cars are a thing of the past .
 
mike honcho said:
Will you be happy with a truck?
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Does that truck have REAL Milled fenders and bumpers or is that just some really interesting paint work? Cool old truck though 52-53 Chebby stepside and it appears to be a 3 window! To low for my taste but Cool.
 
Crap I must be getting old....I just now noticed there's a girl pole dancin on the bed of the truck :D
 
FlFlash said:
Does that truck have REAL Milled fenders and bumpers or is that just some really interesting paint work? Cool old truck though 52-53 Chebby stepside and it appears to be a 3 window! To low for my taste but Cool.
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Milled fenders? Looks like wire brushed sheet metal and paint to me.
 
FlFlash said:
Does that truck have REAL Milled fenders and bumpers or is that just some really interesting paint work? Cool old truck though 52-53 Chebby stepside and it appears to be a 3 window! To low for my taste but Cool.
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3M Roloc sanding discs then clearcoat over it.
 
mike honcho said:
3M Roloc sanding discs then clearcoat over it.
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Yep that would give it the appearance of "Milled Metal Working" nice job whoever laid it out and did it is an artist.....I sure hope it was'nt all done by eye!
I have a guy that works for me that has mad computer skills and runs our CNC/CAD and Cam machines he's a Wizard. Every now and then he lets me come back a play a little, it's Fun...... till I screw something up anyway.
 
ted@economy said:
I don't think that change is what young people want . Yeah , they bitch and complain to their moms about everything but , in the end , what they want most is stability . One of the things that Nascar offers is stabilty , lack of change . Same tracks , same drivers , same rules , and a dominent governing body that enforces those rules . I think Nascar should stop giving in to the petulant whiners.
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Here is the problem: Old people die. It's true, they don't live forever. If NASCAR doesn't replace the fans that die with younger fans, then it becomes Boxing or Horse racing: still around, but just a shadow of it's former self. That's probably good enough for the people here, but it's what keeps the folks in charge up at nights.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
It's too bad another 50,000 or so didn't agree with you back in 2004 when they ran their last Cup race. If more fans would have supported the track we'd probably still be running there.
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Maybe and maybe not. One of the biggest reasons NASCAR took away the races there was because the big money spenders, aka sponsors, didn't have places to spend money for their high dollar guests. Same can be said about N. Wilkesboro. While I don't condone that reason and I'd much rather see races there than say Chicago, California, Kansas, I do understand their reasoning. Like it or not, big money is what drives this sport.

ted@economy said:
Ah for 'back in the day ' . We had single file racing , we just thought the guy behind wasn't fast enough to catch the guy in front . We had commercials , but didn't know we should count them . We had a points system , but didn't know it was important . We had a chase , but it was a whole year long . We had start and parks , but they were just guys trying to get their stuff together . We had aero issues , but we didn't know they were what was causing the slower cars not being able to pass. We had son and brothers and country stars and football coaches racing , but we didn't know they didn't deserve to be there . Blissful ignorance , I call it. We used to just turn on the TV and enjoy the race...now we need little red cones to make the racing better ?
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Yep, all of that is true, but a big difference today is instead of two or three teams capable of winning a race and big, big rivalries, we now have four or five teams capable of winning AND instead of a team consisting of one car, maybe two, teams now can have three or four cars that are capable of taking home the trophy, now making 10 to 15 cars that are more or less equal. Also in the old days, we weren't saturated with all that is NASCAR. It wasn't until the later part of the 80's that we could even see all the races on TV, so waiting for the next one gave us pause to think about what might happen. As for the little red cones, I'm guessing you and some others got the impression that I thought this was a good idea. I only used it as an example of how local tracks have used it to liven up the races. Single file restarts are a thing of the past for the most part. But what makes double file restarts exciting in the first place? Think about that.

Overall, change? Yep, I don't know of any sport that has changed so much in the past 30 years as has NASCAR.
 
Matthew2470 said:
When Jeff Gordon retires I'll stop watching live races and record them.
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Wow, to many of us, Jeffy is still just the Kid. Hard to believe that he has been married twice and has a couple of kids himself. I can still remember him as a 16 year old racing midgets and beating some of the greats. Where does the time go?
 
sloggie said:
Here is the problem: Old people die. It's true, they don't live forever. If NASCAR doesn't replace the fans that die with younger fans, then it becomes Boxing or Horse racing: still around, but just a shadow of it's former self. That's probably good enough for the people here, but it's what keeps the folks in charge up at nights.
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Nascar hasn't stood still , that's for sure . I don't think that any sport has changed as much . Golf and baseball , I don't see changing at all. Football and basketball , not very much .
 
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FlFlash said:
Does that truck have REAL Milled fenders and bumpers or is that just some really interesting paint work? Cool old truck though 52-53 Chebby stepside and it appears to be a 3 window! To low for my taste but Cool.
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Focus focus, the bulls eye aint that truck
 
Bruton is entitled to his opinion like anyone else.


I do fear that he has more influence than a typical civilian race fan. But I have not seen any evidence to indicate Nascar will change protocols.



With Bruton it is more about $ than racing. He just might want more people in the concession stands. I think trying to choreograph racing is a mistake. But it is the real world and some things like lucky dogs or wave around are not so bad.



Trying to fix or script racing (not choosing winners, just guaranteed show downs) is a mistake. It is like trying to choreograph an art, or life. I realize we could set a system that insures close finishes, and one that prevents big leads, but credibility would be sacrificed.



I would fault a current short sightedness by fans and TV coverage. On certain days the battle for the lead will be lousy, or it will not involve favorites. That's tough get over it, and learn to watch racing in its entirety.



There are good and compelling stories outside of the top five. Trying to satisfy ignorance is a thankless task.
 
Greg said:
Trying to fix or script racing (not choosing winners, just guaranteed show downs) is a mistake. It is like trying to choreograph an art, or life. I realize we could set a system that insures close finishes, and one that prevents big leads, but credibility would be sacrificed.
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What you might get is unforseen consequences like Jimmy Johnson riding aroud half a lap down waiting for the final restart. Bet he didn't think of that before the all star race. But then , that was never a real race anyway.
 
TexasRaceLady said:
Despite loads of people saying races are scripted, it's beyond me how you could get 42 other drivers to go along with the script if they're not the "designated" winner.
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Anyone who thinks that would be a fool. I think some people may feel that sometimes Nascar compels the events of a race hoping for a certain outcome.

I've seen some darn questionable cautions at opportune times over the years.
 
FTR


I have never believed or claimed races were scripted, but I do believe Nascar will do what's needed to limit runaways.
 
In a way i guess you could say NASCAR races are scripted . A better term might manipulated . Someone getting lapped and then magically placed back on the lead lap is manipulation of the outcome . Cars that are one lap down and decide not to pit under caution are placed back on the lead lap , that's a manipulation of the outcome . Racing all year long and finishing 10th in points , only to have that deficit reset for the last ten races is manipulating the outcome of the championship .
But from a promoters point of view , you want as much excitement for the fans as possible . That's what brings them back next time . In other words , the show becomes far more important than the race to NASCAR and the track owners . Purists will say that if a driver laps the entire field , so be it and i'll be back next race . Great driving and great car . But a lot of fans aren't all that interested in the racing , more into the show . So they won't come back next race if the above scenario is allowed to played out without manipulation . Purists will say that the championship , for that matter any championship , should be decided by the outcome of all of the events , not just a handful at the end . A lot of fans aren't interested in the racing season once their favorite driver is obviously not going to be in contention for the championship . So maybe the sport needs manipulation to survive . Or maybe the sport just needs to develop fans who understand how racing is supposed to work.
 
Matthew2470 said:
When Jeff Gordon retires I'll stop watching live races and record them.
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I don't know what I'm gonna do when he retires. I've only had one driver the last 20 years and there's nobody coming through the ranks I really enjoy watching. I will however save a lot of money in die casts and appearal.
 
I don't like "competition" cautions. What other sport calls a timeout then allows the losing teams catch up?
 
TexasRaceLady said:
Despite loads of people saying races are scripted, it's beyond me how you could get 42 other drivers to go along with the script if they're not the "designated" winner.
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I love that TRL. Reminds me of the first time I went to a harness horse race with a veteran race guy . I said , "Everyone says horse racing is fixed". He said , "Listen son ,everyone one of those drivers out there is cheatin , or tryin to cheat . But fixin a race requires cooperation of all the drivers owners and trainers . Most of them hate each other and don't even speak ." He then proceeded to itemize what each driver was doing ,trying to cheat , and why he was betting the way that he was.
 
Being reported - Mike Helton said he doesn’t foresee NASCAR doing any sort of competition cautions to spice up racing. Says events should unfold naturally.
 
Greg Biffle says he’d support some sort of competition cautions when races go green (like Bruton Smith said).
 
From Nate Ryan's Twitter:
Kevin Harvick, on Bruton Smith's suggestion of mandatory caution flags: "Same guy who ruined Bristol" End of answer. #nascar
 
This reminds me of so many people go out and find a job, then after they have worked there for a period of time, they think they know how to run the business better than the owner. Purists will always find fault in the way the racing is presented, and neo fans will come and go. What is a promoter to do?
 
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