Busch to leave Roush after 2006

buckaroo said:
I know you're waiting for this so I suppose I'll supply you with the following, with many thousand employees who will disagree with you strongly.

Toyota, USA...

Georgetown, KY - Camry, Avalon, Solara, 4 cylinder engines and V6 engines

Buffalo, WV - 4 cylinder engines and V6 engines

Erlanger, KY - Production control, engineering, quality control and administration of North American plants

Huntsville, AL - V8 engines

San Antonio, TX - Tundra pickups

Troy, MO, St. Louis, MO, and Madison County, TN - Intake manifolds, cylinder heads, cylinder blocks and more

Princeton, IN - Tundra, Sequoia, and Sienna

Long Beach, CA - Truck beds and other, catalytic converters and more

Freemont, CA - Corolla, Tacoma, Voltz (for export to Japan) and Pontiac Vibe

If you have a Chevy truck, you might want to check what country that was made in. Could have been the US, but also maybe in Canada, or for God's sake, Mexico. Those foreign named autos are now being made right here in the good old USA...even those wonderfully made German cars. Oh, and before you say that while that might be true, but where is the money going? I'd say there is a pretty big payroll going right here in the good old USA. But how about that plant in Freemont making a car that is for export only? Do you wonder if the Japanese people consider that Toyota is a foreign car?

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None of the above vehicles would I own.
My daily driver for the past 25 years is a '63 Ford unibody truck.
In the garage, I've got a '67 GT390 Fastback Mustang, parked next to my pre-AMF Harley-Davidson.
I don't imagine any of them moonshine runners back in the day made too many get-aways in their Datsuns or Hondas.
I just think they should keep it all American made.
 
If kurt is unhappy at rousch that is one thing, but if it is strictly about money I think it is a bad move. Penske just has not been a real powerhouse in recent years. sure Ryan has won lots of poles, and Rusty has done better in the last year and a half as opposed to 4 or 5 years earlier, but still not a powerhouse. Sticking with a team, and owner, and working on it year after year is the real key to consistency and championships. The names like Gordon and Earnhardt are good examples.
 
buckaroo said:
I know you're waiting for this so I suppose I'll supply you with the following, with many thousand employees who will disagree with you strongly.

Toyota, USA...

Georgetown, KY - Camry, Avalon, Solara, 4 cylinder engines and V6 engines

Buffalo, WV - 4 cylinder engines and V6 engines

Erlanger, KY - Production control, engineering, quality control and administration of North American plants

Huntsville, AL - V8 engines

San Antonio, TX - Tundra pickups

Troy, MO, St. Louis, MO, and Madison County, TN - Intake manifolds, cylinder heads, cylinder blocks and more

Princeton, IN - Tundra, Sequoia, and Sienna

Long Beach, CA - Truck beds and other, catalytic converters and more

Freemont, CA - Corolla, Tacoma, Voltz (for export to Japan) and Pontiac Vibe

If you have a Chevy truck, you might want to check what country that was made in. Could have been the US, but also maybe in Canada, or for God's sake, Mexico. Those foreign named autos are now being made right here in the good old USA...even those wonderfully made German cars. Oh, and before you say that while that might be true, but where is the money going? I'd say there is a pretty big payroll going right here in the good old USA. But how about that plant in Freemont making a car that is for export only? Do you wonder if the Japanese people consider that Toyota is a foreign car?

Sorry for the thread drift...
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All proceeds will be sent to Japan via wire transfer. Headquarters and profits are Japanese.
 
So, you'd rather the profits for the cars, that really only go to the bigwig multi millionaires anyway, go to US citizens? I'd rather have american workers make "japanese" cars and pay millions of dollars to the honest, hard working man on the line.
Bowling Green, where I live, is the US HQ for Sumitomo with a few plants scattered around here. Yes, it is a japanese company, yes, I tutor their japanese executives in English. I make money from a Japanese company to teach their VP's english. However, they are also paying out mucho dinero (money) to the hard workers in each of those plants, one of which is in my hometown and has at times employed many family members and friends. These companies make the wiring harnesses for most american and foreign cars. yes, the parts go to different cars, but the many people who benefit from it are Kentuckians while the one or two fat cats are japanese...big deal. I can also think of a plant in harrodsburg that makes the seats for many toyotas...same kind of deal.
When you start hating on toyota because the "profits" go to japan, you are supporting the rich getting richer here as well. I'd rather let them have the damn profits and see food on the table for a lot of families in these small kentucky towns and cities. So, a Chevy is an american car...made in mexico..so you support mexican citizens getting paid and american executives raking in the profits? Crap, at least if its made in america (regardless of the parent company) you can ensure that the workers were getting a fair wage and making a good product. When you border jump to build factories, you do so to get cheaper labor. This is why many people still want to come to the US.
Does any of this make sense?

And by the way the term "Jap" is offensive, kind of like calling someone the "N" word or calling someone white trash. WWII ended over 50 years ago...time to give up the stereotypes.
 
BobbyFord said:
My daily driver for the past 25 years is a '63 Ford unibody truck.
In the garage, I've got a '67 GT390 Fastback Mustang, parked next to my pre-AMF Harley-Davidson.
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Holy cow, guy. A '63, a '67 and a pre '69 HOG. Not a believer in modern technology, are you. :)
 
TexasRaceLady said:
I thought I'd seen everything, but this move by Kurt just blows my socks off.

NASCAR will just have to scrap numbers and put the drivers' names on the door so we'll know who is in what. LOL
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No kidding TRL, I'm gonna have to quite puttin Kurt's car number on my internet handles. Now, I've got to change them all.
 
I'm sensing a little bitterness

Sabates blasts Roush for contract dealings

By JIM UTTER

ThatsRacin.com Writer

Felix Sabates said he is "laughing my butt off" because Nextel Cup team owner Jack Roush now finds himself in a similar position to one Roush put Chip Ganassi Racing in earlier this year.

"Jack thought that he was above the rest of us," said Sabates, who is a part owner of the Ganassi team. "Now that he started all this, he'd better be big enough to end it."

Roush wants Jamie McMurray in his No. 6 Fords next season, but Ganassi and Sabates have said they plan to hold McMurray to the final option year of his contract as driver of their No. 42 Dodges.

Now Roush has a driver of his own, Kurt Busch, who wants out of a final contract year to move to the No. 2 Dodges owned by Roger Penske.

"When you conduct your business from the weeds, sooner or later the weed-eater will run over you," Sabates said. "It couldn't have happened to a nicer guy."

OUCH!!!! That hurt!!!!
 
esorlxaw said:
So, you'd rather the profits for the cars, that really only go to the bigwig multi millionaires anyway, go to US citizens? I'd rather have american workers make "japanese" cars and pay millions of dollars to the honest, hard working man on the line.
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My point, they are Japanese cars.


esorlxaw said:
Bowling Green, where I live, is the US HQ for Sumitomo with a few plants scattered around here. Yes, it is a japanese company, yes, I tutor their japanese executives in English. I make money from a Japanese company to teach their VP's english. However, they are also paying out mucho dinero (money) to the hard workers in each of those plants, one of which is in my hometown and has at times employed many family members and friends. These companies make the wiring harnesses for most american and foreign cars. yes, the parts go to different cars, but the many people who benefit from it are Kentuckians while the one or two fat cats are japanese...big deal. I can also think of a plant in harrodsburg that makes the seats for many toyotas...same kind of deal.
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We all have our price.:D


esorlxaw said:
When you start hating on toyota because the "profits" go to japan, you are supporting the rich getting richer here as well. I'd rather let them have the damn profits and see food on the table for a lot of families in these small kentucky towns and cities.
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My point Toyota is a Japanese car and the profits go to Japan. You are just slave labor, interesting.

esorlxaw said:
So, a Chevy is an american car...made in mexico..so you support mexican citizens getting paid and american executives raking in the profits?
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I'm not overly thrilled with this either. I think American companies that are outsourcing should be heavily taxed. The tax should be so high that it would take the cost advantage away. I hate not being able to buy a 100% American product.


esorlxaw said:
Crap, at least if its made in america (regardless of the parent company) you can ensure that the workers were getting a fair wage and making a good product. When you border jump to build factories, you do so to get cheaper labor. This is why many people still want to come to the US. Does any of this make sense?
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I'm still against this practice of cabotage, it only truly benefits the management at headquarters in the long run. You complain about American companies doing it in Mexico, but its ok for Toyota because their helping poor Kentucky towns. And, becouse some Chevy's are built in Mexico make CHevy a Mexican car builder? HHHHmm sound familiar?

esorlxaw said:
And by the way the term "Jap" is offensive, kind of like calling someone the "N" word or calling someone white trash. WWII ended over 50 years ago...time to give up the stereotypes.
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When did I use "Jap" in any of my post? That is if this post was directed at me.
 
BobbyFord said:
None of the above vehicles would I own.
My daily driver for the past 25 years is a '63 Ford unibody truck.
In the garage, I've got a '67 GT390 Fastback Mustang, parked next to my pre-AMF Harley-Davidson.
I don't imagine any of them moonshine runners back in the day made too many get-aways in their Datsuns or Hondas.
I just think they should keep it all American made.
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You're really contradicting yourself.

If Toyota's are built in this country, they ARE American made.
If Chevys are built in Mexico, they are NOT American made only American owned.

Kick Dodge out of NASCAR then, because Daimler/Chrysler is NOT an American owned company.
 
Vern Demerest said:
We all have our price.:D




My point Toyota is a Japanese car and the profits go to Japan. You are just slave labor, interesting.



I'm not overly thrilled with this either. I think American companies that are outsourcing should be heavily taxed. The tax should be so high that it would take the cost advantage away. I hate not being able to buy a 100% American product.




I'm still against this practice of cabotage, it only truly benefits the management at headquarters in the long run. You complain about American companies doing it in Mexico, but its ok for Toyota because their helping poor Kentucky towns. And, becouse some Chevy's are built in Mexico make CHevy a Mexican car builder? HHHHmm sound familiar?



When did I use "Jap" in any of my post? That is if this post was directed at me.
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Number one, this wasn't directed at you, especially the "jap" part. Number two, if it were slave labor, then no one would be getting paid. If American companies would keep their labor here, that would be one thing, but they don't, therefore, it makes it a lot easier to be welcoming of the japanese coming in and opening factories that PAY their workers. Where do you think a lot of that money goes? To the workers. And what in the hell do you mean "sound familiar"? My point is that many cars are made from so many different parts from around the world, it's damn near pointless to try to hammer down the "origin" of one of them.
And by the way, your little comment about us all having our price? If you're one of those people who make the statement "learn the language or get out"...I'm one of the people TEACHING them the language...they aren't teaching me japanese. This would have been a lot better if anything you said had made sense in the context of my post, but don't worry.
 
TRL, really, this is like the good old days when we had to relearn all the cars and who was driving them. I kinda like it. :) Maybe this will set a new trend and we can see more of the old ways.
 
Let's see, since Toyota is a pubicly owned company, that means that the average Joe from Anywhere, USA can own stock, and if ol' Joe isn't Japanese, he can earn some of the profits from that company. I'll be ol' Joe doesn't like for you to call him Japanese.

If all we ever sold in this country were totally made products of our own, most of us couldn't afford anything, let alone a car. We'd all be moving to Mexico to be able to buy anything.

I think that this thread is getting way too political for me to continue. If anyone wants to continue this in the Podium, I'd be glad to continue it.
 
Do you all think Busch's announcement about leaving will hurt his chances in the chase this year.
 
no, I don't think Roush would sabotage his own driver, especially if he has a chance.
 
Roush is a business man, in the business to make money. The higher his drivers finish, well...you know the rest :)
 
I do. I mean think about the Pit crew. They must be pretty disallusioned with all this and if they are not 100% then the team's chances will be affected.
 
More on Busch to Penske...souvenir sales part of it? According to sources close to #97-Kurt Busch, one reason for his decision [to leave Roush and go to Penske] could be related to the souvenir-sales part of the business. Roush controls most of his drivers' souvenir sales, and personal-services deals must also be funneled through him. Drivers can make as much as $2 million a year off souvenir sales.(Winston Salem Journal)
 
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