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#17D500winner said:
I don't expect the F1 points system to be any more welcomed into Nascar circles than are F1 drivers. lol
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Nelson kicked Brian Scott....................... I always wanted to kick Brian Scott............. Thanks Nelson
 
klemmabyna said:
Thought maybe those who are no longer interested in the finish at homestead would be willing to test another point system, even though the racers would race differently!!!:D:D:D


Formula 1 Point system:

Points
The top ten finishers in each Grand Prix score points towards both the drivers’ and the constructors’ world championships, according to the following scale:

1st : 25 points
2nd : 18 points
3rd : 15 points
4th : 12 points
5th : 10 points
6th : 8 points
7th : 6 points
8th : 4 points
9th : 2 points
10th : 1 point
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I have long advocated for a scale like that. Anything that weights positions more the further up the finishing order.
 
when indycar & f1 figure out how their teams can run 43 cars in all 36 races / yr ......w/o goin broke....
.......let us know.
 
FLRacingFan said:
I have long advocated for a scale like that. Anything that weights positions more the further up the finishing order.
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The only problem that I see with that is that more than likely, each and every year, we'll be left with a few meaningless races at the end of the season with the Champ being declared early. Hey, I may get to see the Champ crowned @ the fall Martinsville race. That would be cool. Please disregard my first sentence. ;)
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
The only problem that I see with that is that more than likely, each and every year, we'll be left with a few meaningless races at the end of the season with the Champ being declared early. Hey, I may get to see the Champ crowned @ the fall Martinsville race. That would be cool. Please disregard my first sentence. ;)
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Actually IndyCar has had a race for the championship every year for over a decade (anyone want to look that up? I'm lazy)

So a weighted point system does work. I think it was 1998 or 2000 when they had four guys going for the title at Fontana.
 
Turn5ive said:
Actually IndyCar has had a race for the championship every year for over a decade (anyone want to look that up? I'm lazy)

So a weighted point system does work. I think it was 1998 or 2000 when they had four guys going for the title at Fontana.
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Doesn't the IRL run a much shorter season? Not a lot of time for separation when only half the races are being run. Tough to judge another system when there are no numbers to look at.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Doesn't the IRL run a much shorter season? Not a lot of time for separation when only half the races are being run. Tough to judge another system when there are no numbers to look at.
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I've been keeping up with both the FIA and IndyCar systems all year long because I have no life for ****s and giggles and both would still have the championship up for grabs this weekend. Note that I haven't taken into account any points they give out for leading laps, poles, and double points races.

FIA:

1. Brad Keselowski - 317
2. Jeff Gordon - 314
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3. Joey Logano - 291
4. Kevin Harvick - 273
5. Dale Earnhardt Jr. - 245

IndyCar:

1. Jeff Gordon - 931
2. Joey Logano - 908
3. Brad Keselowski - 889
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4. Kevin Harvick - 860
5. Dale Earnhardt Jr. 843
 
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This is all that seems relevant to me:

Unofficial Top 25 in 2014 Sprint Cup Driver Points Standings (not the Chase):
[after Phoenix, race 35 of 36]
(using current points system, but not the Chase rules, unofficial)
1) #24-Jeff Gordon(EC), 1217
2) #22-Joey Logano(C2), 1188, -29
3) #88-Dale Earnhardt Jr.(EC), 1145, -72
4) #2-Brad Keselowski(EC), 1138, -79
5) #4-Kevin Harvick(C4), 1124, -93
6) #20-Matt Kenseth(EC), 1093, -124
7) #31-Ryan Newman(C3), 1093, -124
8) #99-Carl Edwards(EC), 1049, -168
9) #42-Kyle Larson, 1049, -168
10) #48-Jimmie Johnson(EC), 1032, -185
11) #16-Greg Biffle(EC), 997, -220
12) #1-Jamie McMurray, 975, -242
13) #18-Kyle Busch(EC), 964, -253
14) #11-Denny Hamlin(C1), 949, -268 (missed a races)
15) #15-Clint Bowyer, 943, -274
16) #3-Austin Dillon, 939, -278
17) #5-Kasey Kahne(EC), 934, -283
18) #27-Paul Menard, 904, -313
19) #55-Brian Vickers, 900, -317
20) #41-Kurt Busch(EC), 877, -340
21) #47-AJ Allmendinger(EC), 864, -353
22) #9-Marcos Ambrose, 855, -362
23) #78-Martin Truex Jr., 830, -387
24) #14-Tony Stewart, 798, -419 (missed 3 races)
25) #43-Aric Almirola(EC), 795, -422
(C# is chase driver and current Chase position)
(EC is chase driver that has been eliminated from the Chase)
 
BobbyFord said:
This is all that seems relevant to me:

Unofficial Top 25 in 2014 Sprint Cup Driver Points Standings (not the Chase):
[after Phoenix, race 35 of 36]
(using current points system, but not the Chase rules, unofficial)
1) #24-Jeff Gordon(EC), 1217
2) #22-Joey Logano(C2), 1188, -29
3) #88-Dale Earnhardt Jr.(EC), 1145, -72
4) #2-Brad Keselowski(EC), 1138, -79
5) #4-Kevin Harvick(C4), 1124, -93
6) #20-Matt Kenseth(EC), 1093, -124
7) #31-Ryan Newman(C3), 1093, -124
8) #99-Carl Edwards(EC), 1049, -168
9) #42-Kyle Larson, 1049, -168
10) #48-Jimmie Johnson(EC), 1032, -185
11) #16-Greg Biffle(EC), 997, -220
12) #1-Jamie McMurray, 975, -242
13) #18-Kyle Busch(EC), 964, -253
14) #11-Denny Hamlin(C1), 949, -268 (missed a races)
15) #15-Clint Bowyer, 943, -274
16) #3-Austin Dillon, 939, -278
17) #5-Kasey Kahne(EC), 934, -283
18) #27-Paul Menard, 904, -313
19) #55-Brian Vickers, 900, -317
20) #41-Kurt Busch(EC), 877, -340
21) #47-AJ Allmendinger(EC), 864, -353
22) #9-Marcos Ambrose, 855, -362
23) #78-Martin Truex Jr., 830, -387
24) #14-Tony Stewart, 798, -419 (missed 3 races)
25) #43-Aric Almirola(EC), 795, -422
(C# is chase driver and current Chase position)
(EC is chase driver that has been eliminated from the Chase)
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Well that sums up exactly what I thought. Jeff Gordon should be the champ and old Farts like me don't like change.

I had just come to accept the "new chase format"

Oh well I still love Nascar:D
 
BamaFan said:
Well that sums up exactly what I thought. Jeff Gordon should be the champ and old Farts like me don't like change.

I had just come to accept the "new chase format"

Oh well I still love Nascar:D
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BamaFan, I'm an old fart, also. Regardless of the 'what ifs', the Chase is what NASCAR says it is. We either take it, or we leave it.
Me, I'll just suck it up and go with it. I just hope it stays the same for a while. I must say, it has produced some excitement these last few races.
 
I jumped on the band wagon almost from the start no choice really, not like they were going to say OK all you people who are upset, we are going to change it back, kingsettes. I did guess right that this might open up some team racing and it did. I also thought that once a driver was in, what was going to make them go all out from then on and that was pretty wrong. It did let Hamlin skip a race and still make the chase, so I wonder if more drivers might take advantage of a "day off" after they win a race if the chase doesn't change next year.
 
SlicedBread22 said:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...e-entertainment-change-is-necessary/18978265/
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Contrary to popular belief on here I think Gluck nailed it.

Having followed this sport for far longer than the existence of this Chase Format, I was more than pissed in 2004 when the points system was turned on its head. I was outraged. Gone was every comparison of the season champion to the pre-Chase era. The best driver of the year ceased to be crowned. The best driver over 10 races became the new norm. Very hard to accept being the diehard NASCAR fan that I am.

January 30th, 2014..... The announcement of a major overhaul to the Chase for the Sprint Cup format. Yet another point when NASCAR's means of determining a Champion was turned on its head. For me it was a flashback to 2004 when all of this started. Another change, another way of determining a champion. Again, hard to accept.

I came to realize at some point earlier this season that we aren't going back. They are pretty serious about trying to make this post season championship work.

Gluck absolutely nailed it in that article with his two options.....

Reality TV is NASCAR's new reality.

That leaves you, the viewer, with two options:

1) You can either be miserable and pine for the old days, expressing your outrage until your fingers ache from tweeting.

2) You can accept the direction NASCAR is going, put aside the notion of fairness, and simply let yourself be entertained.

Regardless of your feeling on this whole Chase system it does come down to those two options. Love it or hate it, it's here to stay. Whether you do is up to you.

I took the second choice and I'm a lot happier with what I'm watching. I've been in the same situation as most of you on this board that hate this format to the bone. I'm now a lot happier with where I'm at and what I'm watching each week when I simply let myself be entertained.
 
He makes a few presumptions in that article and this one stands out for me, "Trust me: Option No. 2 is more enjoyable no matter the capacity in which you watch the sport."

He also fails to mention the 3rd option.

Some disliked the Chase but came to accept it, as with DPK. Others simply quit watching completely, while many are still watching but miserable in doing so. We all have a choice. This new format will be no different and many will come to accept it - IF it stays the way it is long enough for that to happen.
 
I'd also like to add that turning Nascar into a WWE type spectacle most certainly won't make every fan happy with the eventual Champion. At least that's the way it used to be when I was a 14 y/o.
 
What I got out of the article was that Brian France was losing money and decided to turn the sport into a gimmick and that we should be accepting of it.
What else is Gluck gonna say, he's a motorsports writer.
 
BobbyFord said:
What I got out of the article was that Brian France was losing money and decided to turn the sport into a gimmick and that we should be accepting of it.
What else is Gluck gonna say, he's a motorsports writer.
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Though I'm not a fan of this chase, I've come to accept it. However, the one thing I don't like is the people in the NASCAR media who are absolutely insisting this format onto everyone. I've heard a lot of "if you don't like this chase, there must be something wrong with you" and "if you don't like this chase, you're living in the past". Neither is necessarily true. If you don't like the new format, you should be entitled to that opinion.
 
ToyYoda said:
Though I'm not a fan of this chase, I've come to accept it. However, the one thing I don't like is the people in the NASCAR media who are absolutely insisting this format onto everyone. I've heard a lot of "if you don't like this chase, there must be something wrong with you" and "if you don't like this chase, you're living in the past". Neither is necessarily true. If you don't like the new format, you should be entitled to that opinion.
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Media or bloggers? I haven't read any of that kind of stuff from the mainstream media. Got any links? I'd like to read that.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Media or bloggers? I haven't read any of that kind of stuff from the mainstream media. Got any links? I'd like to read that.
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Been hearing a lot of that type stuff on the Sirius NASCAR channel. I think those guys are screening calls too. If they get a caller saying "this chase is the best thing NASCAR's ever come up with, I wouldn't change a thing", it's welcomed with open arms. If a caller does slip through with something negative to say about the chase, that call is cut off at the knees very quickly. Your listening experience may vary, but that seems to be the general pattern when I've listened.
 
Newman, third in points, is all I need to see to realize that the new format is a joke. It's difficult for some (and me) to admit that their favorite sport has become some kind of reality TV gimmick joke. I'm never going to like The Chase.
 
ToyYoda said:
Though I'm not a fan of this chase, I've come to accept it. However, the one thing I don't like is the people in the NASCAR media who are absolutely insisting this format onto everyone. I've heard a lot of "if you don't like this chase, there must be something wrong with you" and "if you don't like this chase, you're living in the past". Neither is necessarily true. If you don't like the new format, you should be entitled to that opinion.
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dpkimmel2001 said:
Media or bloggers? I haven't read any of that kind of stuff from the mainstream media. Got any links? I'd like to read that.
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dpkimmel2001 said:
I completely understand. It got me the first time too. Had it been entitled the 'Real Championship Thread for Fans Living in the Past', it may have made more sense. :D
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Ridiculous. For many, forums are used as a source of mainstream media.
 
ToyYoda said:
Been hearing a lot of that type stuff on the Sirius NASCAR channel. I think those guys are screening calls too. If they get a caller saying "this chase is the best thing NASCAR's ever come up with, I wouldn't change a thing", it's welcomed with open arms. If a caller does slip through with something negative to say about the chase, that call is cut off at the knees very quickly. Your listening experience may vary, but that seems to be the general pattern when I've listened.
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I think most of those hosts are MRN employees so that view from them would not be surprising.
 
Gluck suggested that The Chase was like reality TV.
In terms of viewing content aren't reality TV programs very much unlike reality? As close to reality as The Simpsons, I suppose.
 
BobbyFord said:
Gluck suggested that The Chase was like reality TV.
In terms of viewing content aren't reality TV programs very much unlike reality? As close to reality as The Simpsons, I suppose.
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I think the new chase format more closely resembles a game show than a reality show. Most game shows have catch-up mechanisms in their rules that allow contestants to catch up if they fall too far behind, kind of like the multiple resets do in this chase.

So I wonder if the three guys that don't win the championship will get a year's supply of Turtle Wax as a consolation prize?
 
#17D500winner said:
He makes a few presumptions in that article and this one stands out for me, "Trust me: Option No. 2 is more enjoyable no matter the capacity in which you watch the sport."

He also fails to mention the 3rd option.

Some disliked the Chase but came to accept it, as with DPK. Others simply quit watching completely, while many are still watching but miserable in doing so. We all have a choice. This new format will be no different and many will come to accept it - IF it stays the way it is long enough for that to happen.
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Yeah, there's plenty of room for a gray area in between the two extremes of loving and embracing every aspect of the new Chase and being completely and utterly miserable while watching NASCAR (or giving up on it completely).

Everyone that has accepted the new Chase doesn't necessarily like it or like every aspect of it, and everyone that dislikes the new Chase isn't a miserable human being that gets off on torturing themselves by watching Chase races. It's a sliding scale, not a simple dichotomy, and some folks, like the writer of that article, seem to lose sight of that.
 
Mr. Gregory said:
Yeah, there's plenty of room for a gray area in between the two extremes of loving and embracing every aspect of the new Chase and being completely and utterly miserable while watching NASCAR (or giving up on it completely).

Everyone that has accepted the new Chase doesn't necessarily like it or like every aspect of it, and everyone that dislikes the new Chase isn't a miserable human being that gets off on torturing themselves by watching Chase races. It's a sliding scale, not a simple dichotomy, and some folks, like the writer of that article, seem to lose sight of that.
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Very well said.
 
Mr. Gregory said:
Yeah, there's plenty of room for a gray area in between the two extremes of loving and embracing every aspect of the new Chase and being completely and utterly miserable while watching NASCAR (or giving up on it completely).

Everyone that has accepted the new Chase doesn't necessarily like it or like every aspect of it, and everyone that dislikes the new Chase isn't a miserable human being that gets off on torturing themselves by watching Chase races. It's a sliding scale, not a simple dichotomy, and some folks, like the writer of that article, seem to lose sight of that.
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I agree. I'm not miserable because of the new format but I've lost about 50% interest in the sport. I used to religiously follow every aspect of the sport. I'd be on RF, Jayski's, ESPN Nascar, etc., everyday. I'd record qualifying and all nascar related shows, like Racehub, etc. Now I don't watch, follow or care about qualifying. I only watch nascar commentary that immediately follows a race. To me, NASCAR used to be very important. Now, not so much.
 
Bill France Sr. & Jr. Have gotta be spinnin like tops in their graves. Sure didn't take long for Bryan to destroy any credibility NASCAR ever had. Every seasoned nascar fan I know, thought from the time this ' new' ( as in every yr. a change) format , was announced that it was a 'horrible' idea. How do you possibly rate current champs with the old champions of the sport? They have cheapened it beyond belief. If this is their answer to falling tv ratings and no fannys in the seats then they are truly delusional. Have you noticed how race coverage hardly ever show views of stands anymore? Texas looked about 1/4 full to me. If this new 'tweak' is so great how come tv ratings are still declining?
There's nothing wrong with Nascar that a roll - back of ridiculous ticket prices and a return to the 'old points system' wouldn't cure but if they think they can 'grow ' this sport without the support of traditional nascar fans , they are crazier than I already thought they were. The old Nascar leadership was in touch with the real fan. Bryan France his running the family 'biznez' down a sinkhole .
 
So Gordon is eligible for the championship by:

The FIA point system
The IndyCar point system
The NASCAR point system

But not the Chase point system.

I'm getting a headache. I love this Chase format but damn.
 
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