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dpkimmel2001 said:
We all do what we've gotta do. Behind the scenes I've been working on my own points system. I've been trying to create one that would give my driver the 2014 Championship. Mine goes stricly off of points earned throughout the season. The driver with the most points is declared the Champion. So far, the only one that has worked out to my driver's advantage is when I give the Daytona 500 winner, both Pocono race winners, & the fall Martinsville race winner a 10,000 point bonus for each of those wins. Under my system, my driver crushed the competition. I'm currently celebrating his first Sprint Cup Championship season. I'm kinda thinking that you might back my all new points system. :cool:
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That's a point system I think I can really go for. Send it in.
 
Looks like they're aleady going to tweak on it. Brian France: It's unlikely there will be any further major revisions to the format, although some minor tweak(s) may still occur once NASCAR reviews all elements of how the Chase played out.

Personally, there's things I would tweak, but I'd leave it as is for about 3 years and let things play themselves out. This constant tweaking is what gives the appearance of manipulation. Just leave it be!
 
Statistically speaking, people don't like something they are 13 times more likely to express their displeasure than someone who is content or ambivalent.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
So, basically back to the last version of the Chase only with 16 drivers?
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Actually, going back to the previous Chase format wouldn't be a bad idea. 10 drivers make it in, 2 wildcards. I do like the whole "Win and your in" concept, so that can stay. The elimination rounds can stay since as I've said before, the fans and website like Jayski were doing "eliminations" anyways through math!! So you can still have the Challenger Round, Contender Round, Eliminator Round and the Championship round.
 
SpeedPagan said:
Actually, going back to the previous Chase format wouldn't be a bad idea. 10 drivers make it in, 2 wildcards. I do like the whole "Win and your in" concept, so that can stay. The elimination rounds can stay since as I've said before, the fans and website like Jayski were doing "eliminations" anyways through math!! So you can still have the Challenger Round, Contender Round, Eliminator Round and the Championship round.
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Not bad, but maybe still do the reset at Homestead.
 
SpeedPagan said:
What would be the point, aside from creating artificial drama and creating forcing a "game 7" moment?
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At least by getting rid of the resets in the previous rounds, you'd be more likely to have the best four guys competing for the championship, even if they do all start at 5,000.
 
ToyYoda said:
At least by getting rid of the resets in the previous rounds, you'd be more likely to have the best four guys competing for the championship, even if they do all start at 5,000.
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I guess we could try it for 3 seasons and see how it shakes out.
 
Here's an idea. Just once, let's just leave it alone and see how this shakes out for a while. I can only speak for myself when I say that this version of the Chase, by far, has been the most exciting and has produced some great racing. I didn't like my driver being eliminated but you'll have that in big time auto racing. Just ask anyone but Harvick.
 
I actually wouldn't mind seeing the current format left alone for a few years, but for the minor tweak of having bonus points carry over all the way through Phoenix that I've mentioned several times. I think they need to do this so that drivers can maintain their "seeding" that they earned in the regular season. In the NFL for example, the team with the best regular season record gets home field advantage throughout the playoffs up until the Super Bowl. The winningest drivers in NASCAR should have some kind of advantage throught the "playoffs" as well. Since there is no home field advantage in NASCAR, the bonus points would be a perfect way to do that IMO, plus it would provide extra motivation to keep on winning even after you've locked yourself into the Chase.
 
I would like them to just leave the format alone, the only thing I would change is that once a driver is eliminated, he is put on the same points ground as all the non chase drivers, which will allow them to fight for points positions 5-16, instead of just 17 and back like this year, which is pretty silly considering some of the chase drivers didn't diverse the points finish they got. The current system kind of pushes everyone to the side if they aren't in the chase, which is a bummer for all the fans of those drivers. I enjoyed it back when they gave a million dollar bonus to the driver who finished the highest in the points out of all the non chase drivers, kind of kept everyone relevant.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Here's an idea. Just once, let's just leave it alone and see how this shakes out for a while. I can only speak for myself when I say that this version of the Chase, by far, has been the most exciting and has produced some great racing. I didn't like my driver being eliminated but you'll have that in big time auto racing. Just ask anyone but Harvick.
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Sounds like a plan.

One thing this format did was keep more drivers in the hunt for longer periods of time, obviously. Thus involving more fans, more opinions, more hostilities, more battles, more "great" moments and eventually more disappointment.

I'm with DPK on this, leave it as is for a least a few years and see what comes of it. Those of us who are disappointed now may be in a better place come next November ;)
 
I can see them dropping the chase bonus points once a driver falls out of the chase. I don't think an 8th place team should get 17th place money for their effort (42 team).
 
Zerkfitting said:
I can see them dropping the chase bonus points once a driver falls out of the chase. I don't think an 8th place team should get 17th place money for their effort (42 team).
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Yeah that was confusing to me also and many others. Some media outlets did drop the bonus points after the first round but Nascar didn't even though it said that the drop outs would be awarded regular season points for their races retroactively. So I mistakenly thought that 5th place was up for grabs for drivers with the best record, which I thought would make the non chaser field more competitive and lucrative.
 
was '14 chase format good ...or bad. ? ......still lotsa opinions on each side.
1 thing for sure----every team ended tha season w/ tha same rules / format that they started with.
best racin ever ......1st 26 ......then last 10 especially.

if they wanna get rid of resets next yr......ok.
tweak points system ---ok.
whatever.

don't expect that .....but who knows.
2nd thing for sure....after season starts.....whatever system is in place.....is gonna determine '15 champ !

ya'll anti chase folks better jump on board early next yr. :D
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Nope. You won't leave. I don't believe it for a second.
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Trust me. If the points reset and driver elimination is in place for 2015 then I'm finished with this sport. I will attend ACS and LVMS in March but I will no longer follow the sport. There are plenty of other things to do on weekends.
 
BobbyFord said:
Trust me. If the points reset and driver elimination is in place for 2015 then I'm finished with this sport. I will attend ACS and LVMS in March but I will no longer follow the sport. There are plenty of other things to do on weekends.
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I think you can pretty much bank on it being in place for next season.
 
Since ACS is ISC (NASCAR) owned I shot an email off to the track prez. I hope other season ticket holders will do something similar.
 
BobbyFord said:
Since ACS is ISC (NASCAR) owned I shot an email off to the track prez. I hope other season ticket holders will do something similar.
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Hey, if you're selling your season pass, I'll take them off your hands for $2k. Got any Eldora tickets you'd also like to sell? :D
 
I'll admit that this year's format did add some excitement to the actual chase itself, even if it was at the expense of perceived fairness. My big issue with the format is what it does to the regular season. Win and you're in was exciting early on...until everybody who was anybody got their wins. Then the whole thing became kind of anti-climatic. And with the guys who won and were locked in continuing to win multiple races, it became evident that the non-winners higher in the points would be OK too. Of the 13 drivers who won races this year, 10 of them got their first win before Memorial Day, so the desperation factor with the big boys was gone, and the quality of the racing tailed off a bit over those summer months.
 
ToyYoda said:
I'll admit that this year's format did add some excitement to the actual chase itself, even if it was at the expense of perceived fairness. My big issue with the format is what it does to the regular season. Win and you're in was exciting early on...until everybody who was anybody got their wins. Then the whole thing became kind of anti-climatic. And with the guys who won and were locked in continuing to win multiple races, it became evident that the non-winners higher in the points would be OK too. Of the 13 drivers who won races this year, 10 of them got their first win before Memorial Day, so the desperation factor with the big boys was gone, and the quality of the racing tailed off a bit over those summer months.
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I didn't think the quality of racing tailed off. A.J. and Ambrose fighting neck and neck for what we all knew was their only chance to grab a chase spot..instead of just a win, ho hum was one of if not the best race of the regular season.
 
StandOnIt said:
I didn't think the quality of racing tailed off. A.J. and Ambrose fighting neck and neck for what we all knew was their only chance to grab a chase spot..instead of just a win, ho hum was one of if not the best race of the regular season.
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Yeah, Watkins Glen was a good one. I struggled to think of any other races that really stood out as great from June-early Sept though.
 
I hope the just let it be for awhile and let it run its course. I don't like how 16 make it....seems watered down. I would like to see 12 make the chase then 3 rounds of 4 races, 3 races, and 3 races respectively. What I do like about the current format is if you win a race in each round you are champ....obviously MUCH easier said than done but its available.
 
Wrangler1 said:
What I do like about the current format is if you win a race in each round you are champ....obviously MUCH easier said than done but its available.
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I dont like that a driver can DNF 2 races ina row then win the 3rd race & move on - compared to the driver who finishes top 5 two races in a row then DNFs in the third race which kicks him out.
 
ChexOrWrex said:
I dont like that a driver can DNF 2 races ina row then win the 3rd race & move on - compared to the driver who finishes top 5 two races in a row then DNFs in the third race which kicks him out.
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I get what you are saying but the emphasis was put on winning - If you can't win a race you are vulnerable to misfortune. I hate that Talladega is in the chase because it can bring up a situation much like you are describing where someone that hasn't had speed or is "unworthy" can knock out a consistent driver by winning the lottery race.
 
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