Chasing Hendrick 'not in spirit' of NASCAR rules?

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CHARLOTTE, N.C. (AP) — If garage gossip is to be believed, somebody dropped a dime on NASCAR champion Brad Keselowski and his Penske Racing team at Texas Motor Speedway.
The story blowing like wildfire Monday through NASCAR goes like this: Keselowski was parked at Texas next to Jimmie Johnson, while teammate Joey Logano was further down the garage parked next to Jeff Gordon. The assigned spots gave Hendrick Motorsports crews crystal clear views of the Penske cars all weekend As the story goes, there may have been eavesdropping on team chatter over the scanner during practice runs.
Did someone from Hendrick ask NASCAR to take a closer look at the Penske cars? On race day, NASCAR inspectors were indeed sniffing around looking for an infraction. What they found in the rear-end housings on the No. 2 and No. 22 Fords were confiscated — Logano barely made the start of the race — though NASCAR vice president of competition Robin Pemberton curiously avoided a very important word in explaining the problem with the Penske cars.
Pemberton never said the cars were illegal.
The furthest Pemberton went Saturday in describing the problem in the rear-end housings was they were "not in the spirit of the rule."
That might very well be the issue behind Keselowski's post-race rant, when he hinted that NASCAR was not treating the Penske teams fairly.
"There's so much stuff going on, you guys (reporters) have no idea — you have no (expletive) idea what's going on," he said. "I can tell you there is no team in this garage with the integrity of the 2 team. The way we've been treated over the last seven days is absolutely shameful. I feel like we've been targeted over the last seven days more than I've ever seen a team targeted in my life."
While those are certainly fighting words, NASCAR spokesman Brett Jewkes posted Monday on Twitter that Keselowski would not be punished for his post-race remarks.
NASCAR is still reviewing the actual alterations on the Penske cars, and penalties are practically guaranteed. NASCAR traditionally hands out sanctions on Tuesdays, and on this particular week, that's the exact day that Keselowski and his No. 2 team just happen to be scheduled to celebrate their Sprint Cup title with NASCAR officials at the White House.
When the dust settles, crew chiefs Paul Wolfe and Todd Gordon will likely be sidelined for several weeks while Keselowski and Logano are stripped of critical points in the standings.

Remember, it will be for something that hasn't been deemed illegal, at least not yet. It's more likely this is a case of something in development that the Penske crew was trying and NASCAR decided was too close to the edge.
And there's the rub in all of this. NASCAR gets to decide when a team has crept too close to a non-existent line in the rule book.
Johnson's crew chief, Chad Knaus, has won five championships with one toe on that mark, and the general public is only aware of the times he's gotten his hand slapped. Nobody has any idea how many developments or experiments or trickery by Knaus and the Hendrick group have gotten through without a mention.
What we do know is that teams complain often that they are chasing the Hendrick group in development. That's good for Hendrick, which has built the top team in NASCAR through hard work, strong hires, loyalty, and a deep and devoted research and development program.
But the Hendrick group also knows how to play the system, and it was the Hendrick cars that everyone was following last year in rear-end housing development. Eventually, when cars were so skewed it appeared they were crab-walking down the straightaways, NASCAR began to tighten the rules and add pages to the rule book that created a real line on the issue.
The crackdown took months, though, and from Darlington through Michigan, when NASCAR issued its first bulletin on the matter, Hendrick drivers won four of five races.
So now two-car Penske Racing, which won its first Cup championship after many years of trying last season, is apparently trying new things to gain similar advantages. Only NASCAR came down fast and furious in this instance, confiscating parts and raising the threat of penalties.
It would be one thing if NASCAR made it clear the Penske guys were up to no good for weeks and had publicly warned them to clean up their act. Instead, all we've got to go on is Keselowski's allegations, which seem to indicate that everything innovative or new that the Penske crew has presented over the last week or so has been rejected by NASCAR inspectors.
If true, why is that? If true, how come the big team on top constantly gets to tinker with development that leaves everyone chasing them? Nobody is alleging Hendrick Motorsports gets away with anything it wants, and Knaus' rap sheet is proof that NASCAR often deems he's gone too far.
But the mantra is the same year in and year out from all the other teams in the garage: "The Hendrick guys have found something and we're just trying to catch up to it."
Should the Penske organization get hit with stiff penalties this week, then NASCAR needs to answer the what, why and how to help everyone understand exactly what is and isn't "in the spirit of the rule."
 
This will give the Penske apologists something to grasp on to regardless of the fact that the entire article could be completely basis and the writer is just invoking the "Hendrick" name as a means for garnering attention.

Either way, it's fun to observe.:)
 


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There was never a doubt in my mind that someone pointed Nascar in the direction of the Penske cars. It sounds like Team Penske was slotting the mounting holes so they could skew the rear end later after they were through inspection. If this is true then Nascar would definitely want to put a stop to that procedure because they want the new gen 6 car to track straight down the straightaway and not have the backend of the car skewed out, or dogtracking. It will be interesting to see what they do to Team Penske. But it sounds like they are not going to fine Brad for his rant.
 
It is monday the weekend after another typical Ford not being worth a damn performance, were their crying is faster than their cars performance.

The Fastest Blue Oval ever? Their tears

Note: the new Brad Crys-a-lotskie of 2013. The blue deuce, the blue oval, they both sing the blues.

"It aint right, I got done dirty yada yada"
 
^^^ I think someone may bit a bit biased. Just maybe.

Yes I am, completely full of it, but is ok Fender knows how to back Brad up, I just like messing with him.
 
While those are certainly fighting words, NASCAR spokesman Brett Jewkes posted Monday on Twitter that Keselowski would not be punished for his post-race remarks.

Denny gets fined $25K for saying the Gen-6 cars weren't very good (which at the time, they weren't), and Brad K calls the integrity of the whole sport into question and gets no fine. Gotta love that NASCAR consistency.
 
Remember, it will be for something that hasn't been deemed illegal, at least not yet. It's more likely this is a case of something in development that the Penske crew was trying and NASCAR decided was too close to the edge.
And there's the rub in all of this. NASCAR gets to decide when a team has crept too close to a non-existent line in the rule book.

That part is troubling. NASCAR didn't like what they saw, the Penske cars had to scramble to fix it and ran with a different setup than they anticipated, and that should be enough. Last year when Hendrick was messing with the rear end housing there was nothing addressing it in the rulebook at the time and nothing happened to them. A small slap on the wrist should suffice for now.
 
Denny gets fined $25K for saying the Gen-6 cars weren't very good (which at the time, they weren't), and Brad K calls the integrity of the whole sport into question and gets no fine. Gotta love that NASCAR consistency.


LOL, If I remember correctly Denny never really said they weren't really good, just that they were much like the gen5 car when they first started out. NASCAR (Brian) fined him for comparing the Gen6 car with the COT(Gen5).
 
As a Hornish fan, I am scared that he might lose some momentum this coming week. I don't know if they were doing the same thing to the NNS cars, but Hornish and Irwin seemed to hit on something this year. Wonder if that was it. I hope not.
 
As a Hornish fan, I am scared that he might lose some momentum this coming week. I don't know if they were doing the same thing to the NNS cars, but Hornish and Irwin seemed to hit on something this year. Wonder if that was it. I hope not.

Who knows but my initial thought is that Hornish and Irwin just have a good chemistry. While Brad hasnt been as good as usual in the NWS this year. If they had some hot inovation or tricks in those cars, I am thinking he does more with it than Hornish.
 
If it's form the AP, then Jenna Fryer wrote it.
There are all kinds of AP writers that's why I asked. Jenna Fryer would be all over this on Twitter to push it if she wrote it and I'm not seeing that anywhere. Anonymous seems to be the writer of this one for whatever that's worth.
 
There are all kinds of AP writers that's why I asked. Jenna Fryer would be all over this on Twitter to push it if she wrote it and I'm not seeing that anywhere. Anonymous seems to be the writer of this one for whatever that's worth.

Nah, it's not deliberately anonymous. I have a friend who used to cover the Milwaukee Brewers for the AP. The AP's pricing structure is weird and the news outlet can remove the byline of the AP reporter for a small fee. He told me Yahoo Sports usually always includes the AP byline, let me see if it's on there. I doubt this story was filed anonymously with the Associated Press.

Yep, here it is. Jenna wrote it:

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/chasing-hendrick-not-spirit-nascar-204110378--nascar.html
 
Jenna Fryer is like Pockrass in that she likes to stir the pot based on sourceless rumors.
 
Denny gets fined $25K for saying the Gen-6 cars weren't very good (which at the time, they weren't), and Brad K calls the integrity of the whole sport into question and gets no fine. Gotta love that NASCAR consistency.

Nascar again being consistent in being inconsistent.
 
NASCAR gets to decide when a team has crept too close to a non-existent line in the rule book.

Taa Daa, we have a winner. Cars are now built according to specs in the rule book. No way can a rule book be written outlining every concievable modification a team can dream up. Not that a modification is illegal, it's just different and not addressed in the rule book. It falls into the undefinable gray area.

Nascar then pulls "not in the spirit" out of thin air and the team gets hit with the now famous "actions detrimental...."
 
That part is troubling. NASCAR didn't like what they saw, the Penske cars had to scramble to fix it and ran with a different setup than they anticipated, and that should be enough. Last year when Hendrick was messing with the rear end housing there was nothing addressing it in the rulebook at the time and nothing happened to them. A small slap on the wrist should suffice for now.

That's what got me last year. Nascar made a rule limiting the skew of the rear end, and HMS found a way to pass inspection and EXCEED that limit. How was that in the spirit of the rules? nascar didn't do anything for weeks, then they made a new rule basically endorsing the HMS technique of cheating the first rule.

Penske should appeal any sanctions and argue that nascar needs to be consistant to avoid the appearance of favoritism.
 
Sorry for not including the link. Jenna Fryer wrote the article. Since her and Brad have been friendly since he made it to cup, I wouldn't be surprised if he fed her his side of things.

I am getting tired of Brads foul mouth. Such an intelligent guy should know that's not needed to make a point.
 
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Anyone remember Jeff Gordon's T-Rex car years ago when NASCAR said "don't bring that car back"? Sounds like what this is.
 
I'm trying to think of when the Hendrick cars had to pull the rear ends out of the cars last year before a race....oh wait, they didn't. Yet Brad accused them of cheating and NASCAR changed the rules w/ 10 races left because again Chad Knauss proved he was smarter then NASCAR. Now Brad wants to complain because obviously the rear ends on the Penske cars were not right, hints the fact they were removed. If Denny's comments deserved a fine, then Brad's deserved one too. The Penske cars should face penalties and so should the CC's. 6 weeks in to the season and it's becoming clear Brad is not a good champion of the sport. He got his rule change last year and a lucky break at Phoenix. Put your big boy pants on Brad.
 
I'm trying to think of when the Hendrick cars had to pull the rear ends out of the cars last year before a race....oh wait, they didn't. Yet Brad accused them of cheating and NASCAR changed the rules w/ 10 races left because again Chad Knauss proved he was smarter then NASCAR. Now Brad wants to complain because obviously the rear ends on the Penske cars were not right, hints the fact they were removed. If Denny's comments deserved a fine, then Brad's deserved one too. The Penske cars should face penalties and so should the CC's. 6 weeks in to the season and it's becoming clear Brad is not a good champion of the sport. He got his rule change last year and a lucky break at Phoenix. Put your big boy pants on Brad.

Leading at Phoenix and putting enough pressure on JJ to over drive the car and melt the bead isn't luck at all. It's called pressuring the competition into making a mistake, and JJ did.
 
this is where I think brad ran his mouth off to a negative effect. don't get me wrong I am a brad k fan. but here is the deal its not often a driver calls out another team over something they are running. (I am talking brads comments last season) this does a couple things one it pisses off the team being called out and they are going to be focused like a lazer beam on in this case the 2 team. and it puts nascar in a spot to publicly respond to the issue. if thats to continue to allow the advantage or write a new rule to get rid of it. so by handling this in public you really shoot yourself in the foot IMO. ie you gain nothing. I like it when drivers tell us stuff like this though because it gives us fans insight into things not reported behind the scenes. maybe brad k did complain last season in private and nothing was done about it. so he took it public. making him subject to all the negatives I just outlined. it sounds like he didn't care and thought his team does not push the envelope in these areas.

what hendrick did last year was they used soft bushings in the trailing arms, this meant the car passed inspection just fine but on the race track it gave an advantage in the corners. ok this is pure speculation on my part!!! well not all of it, but here goes we all can see how the sides of these cars are unique to the manufacturer. nascar changed the rules on rear skew for these cars (gen6) and eliminated rear skew all together. instead they gave the teams alot of camber in the rear tires to compensate. why did they do this?? because they pretty much had to being the cars are unique along the sides and if you skew the right side out the level of competition will not be equal. SOOO IMO the penske cars were dabbling in this area and its an area nascar wants to stay far away from. the pre COT cars got skew from the body being hung on the car skewed not from the rear suspension. this is likely also why certain drivers have trouble with the COT car. it has to have a totally different feel to it with all that rear steer. all that is gone now and I don't see it coming back with these cars because of the reasons I mentioned. I will further ad that chad knaus said he didn't like the rules limiting rear end settings and felt crew chiefs should have more tools at their disposal.
 
lol,........Yeah Rick must have caught someone in NASCAR humping a goat or something. Or this has something to do with the fact that Rick has the ultimate power with the single appeal dude that can turn anything over. Maybe NASCAR afraid to do anything to Rick or actually does everything he says because of it. Or Rick is a huge factor in NASCAR business.

Either way this is starting to help me explain why my intuition won't appreciate JJ's chase wins. For some reason I always treated those years as a foggy weird time in NASCAR and his chase wins are um I don't know, unearned? Can't put my finger on it but I do know internally I don't have any appreciation for them.

I think Rick is beyond money and it's all power now. Matter of fact I assume when you reach the near billionaire mark and have so much money you can't possibly effectively use it for your own survival and life as you watch half the world starve, it has to be power. And my lord DRIVE TO END HUNGER sponsors him!
 
High Desert touched on most of it. Aw bull hide Jenna, get off your lazy a$$ and find something to report about. Before the COT there was the twisted sister car as Buddy Baker liked to call it. Watch the old big track races of the early 90's, cars dog tracking down the straights and all twisted up looking. They addressed that with the C.O.T. but they let Hendrick and everybody else skew the rear end because it helped the racing. The car was a hand full to drive, without any grip to speak of and fans and drivers were tired of Aero single file racing. The new car NASCAR has allowed teams to be able to put caster and camber in the rear end, but there are limits spelled out. You can't elongate the mounting holes to dial more in than the rules allow. I don't think they were ratted out, I think they got caught in tech, they are using lasers now, much like alignment shops use to align all four wheels. So along with the "Claw" templates, the lasers, and the minimum height, Nascar is trying to keep the playing field fair. Kezlowski was probably influenced by his teammates whining. Although he didn't get fined for his mouth, Jenna needs to find out how much he and the team will be fined and report about that. Today is the day when Nascar meets with the teams that get caught. Get after it Jenna.
 
I DO think they were ratted out in fact I think alot of the shenanigans that come to light are because other competitors mention something they saw on another car. believe me these guys are looking at what the competition is doing. you are in the garage 5 feet from the next guy over. I was at a small short track last week watching cars in tech and even I was looking closely at each competitors car. imagine being part of a team and they are working on a car 5 feet away and add to it a trained eye. I think brad said something last year to nascar in private about the hendrick cars, he didn't get the response he wanted so he went public with it. with some exceptions I think brad k in particular is a very calculating person, in this case its come full circle. and I think its come back to bite. you know the 48 team has to be thinking and pointing the finger HA HA HA HA now you are busted after running your mouth.
 
lol,........Yeah Rick must have caught someone in NASCAR humping a goat or something. Or this has something to do with the fact that Rick has the ultimate power with the single appeal dude that can turn anything over. Maybe NASCAR afraid to do anything to Rick or actually does everything he says because of it. Or Rick is a huge factor in NASCAR business.

Either way this is starting to help me explain why my intuition won't appreciate JJ's chase wins. For some reason I always treated those years as a foggy weird time in NASCAR and his chase wins are um I don't know, unearned? Can't put my finger on it but I do know internally I don't have any appreciation for them.

I think Rick is beyond money and it's all power now. Matter of fact I assume when you reach the near billionaire mark and have so much money you can't possibly effectively use it for your own survival and life as you watch half the world starve, it has to be power. And my lord DRIVE TO END HUNGER sponsors him!


Can't put your finger on it. Hmmmmmmmmmmm.
 
I DO think they were ratted out in fact I think alot of the shenanigans that come to light are because other competitors mention something they saw on another car. believe me these guys are looking at what the competition is doing. you are in the garage 5 feet from the next guy over. I was at a small short track last week watching cars in tech and even I was looking closely at each competitors car. imagine being part of a team and they are working on a car 5 feet away and add to it a trained eye. I think brad said something last year to nascar in private about the hendrick cars, he didn't get the response he wanted so he went public with it. with some exceptions I think brad k in particular is a very calculating person, in this case its come full circle. and I think its come back to bite. you know the 48 team has to be thinking and pointing the finger HA HA HA HA now you are busted after running your mouth.
Brad is a chess player. A young one at that. You just wait. He may surpass your wildest dreams of what he achieves in the end of ends. Yes?
 
Penske penalties: Crew chiefs, car chiefs, engineers and team manager all get six-week suspensions. 25 pts lost for Keselowski, Logano.

I see an appeal in our future. Perhaps some Ford executive will let them off the hook. ;)
 
found to be in violation of Sections 12-1; 12-4J and 20-12 (all suspension systems and components must be approved by NASCAR. Prior to being used in competition, all suspension systems and components must be submitted, in a completed form/assembly, to the office of the NASCAR Competition Administrator for consideration of approval and approved by NASCAR. Each such part may thereafter be used until NASCAR determines that such part is no longer eligible. All suspension fasteners and mounting hardware must be made of solid magnetic steel. All front end and rear end suspension mounts with mounting hardware assembled must have single round mounting holes that are the correct size for the fastener being used. All front end and rear end suspension mounts and mounting hardware must not allow movement or realignment of any suspension component beyond normal rotation or suspension travel.)

" beyond normal rotation or suspension travel".

Sounds like a loophole. What's normal?
 
Penske penalties: Crew chiefs, car chiefs, engineers and team manager all get six-week suspensions. 25 pts lost for Keselowski, Logano.

I see an appeal in our future. Perhaps some Ford executive will let them off the hook. ;)
Too harsh. I also expect them to still be at the track for a while; no way they don't appeal that.
 
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