Chasing Hendrick 'not in spirit' of NASCAR rules?

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Jimmie Johnson: "Best officiating in the garage area has always been your neighbor", but "No, Hendrick didn't rat out Penske cars."
 
So JJ asked each and every member of the 4 teams? Excuse me for being skeptical.
 


Love the last line. :cool:

Petty: Someone undoubtedly snitched on Penske


KANSAS CITY, Kan. (AP) -- Richard Petty believes there's a snitch.

Petty told reporters Friday at Kansas Speedway that Brad Keselowski and Joey Logano had already passed ''two or three inspections and hadn't been caught,'' leading him to believe that someone must have told NASCAR about unapproved parts the two Penske Racing teams were using before last weekend's race at Texas Motor Speedway.

''Undoubtedly, someone told them what the Penske crew was doing,'' Petty said.

''Last year, it was a rule that you could do it. Then they came back and said you can't do it,'' Petty said of the changes Penske attempted, adding that the time and money that NASCAR put into its new Gen-6 cars may have resulted in the harshness of the penalties.

''I think when something like this happens,'' Petty said, ''it T's them off, because they think they have everything covered.''

Petty said there wouldn't have been such uproar during his days as a driver, and that if you did get caught with something illegal, ''they just told you not to come back with it.''

''They didn't take points, they didn't do nothing,'' Petty said.

Petty said that his own team, Richard Petty Motorsports, has pushed the envelope when it comes to research and development. He's even given some advice to the guys in his shop about it.

''Don't get caught,'' he said. ''Go as far as you can without getting caught. We got caught with a couple of things at Petty Motorsports, but again, look at what we didn't get caught at.''
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Penske's argument will be interesting. Brad is saying that nascar giving HMS a pass on getting around the rear skew limits by modifying the bushings set a precident for all other teams. I sure hope they know what they are doing, but it doesn't look good so far.
 
FenderBumper said:
Penske's argument will be interesting. Brad is saying that nascar giving HMS a pass on getting around the rear skew limits by modifying the bushings set a precident for all other teams. I sure hope they know what they are doing, but it doesn't look good so far.
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It's a different car though. I'm sure the rules are different now than they were back then.
 
I think there are bigger issues than 'who told' and 'can they get out of it ', on appeal . Fender has obviously suffered and our thoughts and prayers go out to him . Roger Penske has taken a big hit to his personal integrity and (as Rusty said) "Someone Will Be Fired ! ". And lastly , this will be a blow to Brad's championship drive . Being separated from his crew chief and car chief for a few races is not going to be easy to deal with.
 
I find JJ's comments pretty compelling when it comes to his explanation of not doing it. to me his answer fits with the nature of the 48 team. although maybe it did happen without JJ knowing who did it.
 
After seeing what the modification was that they made, the only question I have is, who could rat them out? I mean it's such a hidden and subtle modification the chassis that I doubt you could see what it was unless you knew what you were looking for. I doubt HMS or any other team go snooping around the garage areas at night.
 
Kyle Busch noticed something in the back end of the Penske NW cars and the #2 a couple of weeks ago. I'm sure people talked to nascar about the back end moving, and they finally checked it out.
 
FenderBumper said:
Kyle Busch noticed something in the back end of the Penske NW cars and the #2 a couple of weeks ago. I'm sure people talked to nascar about the back end moving, and they finally checked it out.
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Man, these people must have trained eyes.
 
By the way they qualified, it almost looks like someone threatened to rat out Hendrick cars this week.
 
Please someone, correct me if I'm mistaken, but the "violations" the Penske teams are alleged to have committed, are not actually illegal... just pushing the envelope beyond what NASCAR liked, right?

If so, at worst, the Keselowski and Logano teams should have their hands slapped. As it stands, it seems NASCAR went all "medieval" on 'em, and beat 'em down with clubs and broadswords!

I'm far from being an expert on such matters, but the fines seem excessive and the deduction of so many points, could essentially, doom either driver's shot at the championship. I'd think such fines and suspensions would be reserved for individuals who intentionally and maliciously, create unsafe and dangerous conditions on the track ... or blatantly violate well documented rules, on a repeated basis.

IF, in fact, the situation is as it seems on the surface, NASCAR overreacted, again.

I imagine I'm like 99.99999% of racing fans, I'd really prefer to see championships decided on the track, by the drivers and their crews... not by overzealous officials and their erratic and inconsistent system of disciplining the sport.

Of course, everything I've pontificated is opinion, and we all know what those are worth. There's a 50/50 chance, I might just have my head up my... er, ah... "exhaust port", and if so, I'm pretty sure someone will be so kind as to, very politely, set me straight...
 
Not correcting you if you are wrong, nobody here has seen the parts. rumor has it that they elongated the holes on the mounting of the rear end allowing the rear end to be adjusted farther then the rules allowed. So what I heard was "unapproved parts". I happen to think that Nascar is making the penalty harsh so that other teams will think twice before messing with the car. It is under protest by Penske. I think they will get some of their crew members back, but all will be present when they meet, so all involved will understand completely what will happen to you if you mess with the car. I am all for what happened. Nascar's measuring pieces are getting the job done keeping the cars as equal as possible, and this I think will make the racing more competitive in the long run.
 
Nascar has so many Gay rules. They should go back to the way things used to be and let these guys race.
 
StandOnIt said:
Not correcting you if you are wrong, nobody here has seen the parts. rumor has it that they elongated the holes on the mounting of the rear end allowing the rear end to be adjusted farther then the rules allowed. So what I heard was "unapproved parts". I happen to think that Nascar is making the penalty harsh so that other teams will think twice before messing with the car. It is under protest by Penske. I think they will get some of their crew members back, but all will be present when they meet, so all involved will understand completely what will happen to you if you mess with the car. I am all for what happened. Nascar's measuring pieces are getting the job done keeping the cars as equal as possible, and this I think will make the racing more competitive in the long run.
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If, in fact, there were rules violations, then some form of sanction should be levied... however, it appears to me as if the penalties handed down by NASCAR were excessive... particularly in that the components in question were pulled off the cars, prior to the race. The issue of whether or not the unapproved modifications were used in previous races is moot... unless they'd been caught and warned.


The issue I see as the biggest concern, is NASCAR's obvious inconsistencies when assessing penalties. Where one team who's caught violating the rules may receive a slap on the wrist and a $10,000 fine, another team finds itself on the receiving end of an all out, thermo-nuclear attack (a bit of a stretch, but you get my drift).

Unfortunately, the perception among many is, NASCAR will go after some teams with a vengeance, while looking the other way for others.

For NASCAR to retain, or in some cases, regain its credibility, and not be perceived as handicapping one team over another, penalties and sanctions should consistent, across the board. Codifying sanctions and penalties, with increasing severity for repeated violations, would achieve that goal. NASCAR has to be afforded wide discretion for situations that create unacceptable safety concerns or in cases of outright cheating, but those are very few and very far between.

In my opinion, any ONE of the penalties assessed in this case would have been appropriate, but this had all the appearances of a "dog pile" that could potentially crush these teams chances at making the cut, let alone, winning the championship.

I try very hard to be objective when I voice an opinion... so even if this were a situation involving Kyle Busch, a driver I find hard to like, my opinion would be the same.

So, I will now climb down off my soapbox and find something else to pontificate on.
 
honu said:
If, in fact, there were rules violations, then some form of sanction should be levied... however, it appears to me as if the penalties handed down by NASCAR were excessive... particularly in that the components in question were pulled off the cars, prior to the race. The issue of whether or not the unapproved modifications were used in previous races is moot... unless they'd been caught and warned.


The issue I see as the biggest concern, is NASCAR's obvious inconsistencies when assessing penalties. Where one team who's caught violating the rules may receive a slap on the wrist and a $10,000 fine, another team finds itself on the receiving end of an all out, thermo-nuclear attack (a bit of a stretch, but you get my drift).

Unfortunately, the perception among many is, NASCAR will go after some teams with a vengeance, while looking the other way for others.

For NASCAR to retain, or in some cases, regain its credibility, and not be perceived as handicapping one team over another, penalties and sanctions should consistent, across the board. Codifying sanctions and penalties, with increasing severity for repeated violations, would achieve that goal. NASCAR has to be afforded wide discretion for situations that create unacceptable safety concerns or in cases of outright cheating, but those are very few and very far between.

In my opinion, any ONE of the penalties assessed in this case would have been appropriate, but this had all the appearances of a "dog pile" that could potentially crush these teams chances at making the cut, let alone, winning the championship.

I try very hard to be objective when I voice an opinion... so even if this were a situation involving Kyle Busch, a driver I find hard to like, my opinion would be the same.

So, I will now climb down off my soapbox and find something else to pontificate on.
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Sorry , can't agree that Nascar can ever issue the exact same penalty in every situation . This isn't like 'parking beside a fire hydrant ' where every offense is black and white . Every offense is different and requires a judgement call.
 
ted@economy said:
Sorry , can't agree that Nascar can ever issue the exact same penalty in every situation . This isn't like 'parking beside a fire hydrant ' where every offense is black and white . Every offense is different and requires a judgement call.
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