Chasing The Weather

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I was just reading this article from Dustin Long on weather vs. the elimination races of the Chase. Nobody likes a rain shortened event. Heck, most everyone questions the credibility of the win when less the the full length is run. Like the new Chase format or not, it's here for this year anyway. How would you feel about those Chase races being called for rain with the importance of each of them? Should NASCAR change this rain/half way policy for these Chase races?
 
The outcome of the Chase and a specific race could be affected by a resumed race, say the race is continued the next day. I'm talking about resuming a race the next day that has already reached halfway. With cars sitting their overnight, a driver or two could face mechanical trouble that was due to the car sitting in very humid conditions. And if a race gets rain with 30 laps to go and they can't finish it the next day, do you hold the teams and everyone else there for another day just to get in the final 30 laps? Some things to think about.

My take is this. Do all you can to get the whole thing in that day (even into the night if the track has lights). But if that can't happen and are forced to finish it the next day, go ahead and call it.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
I was just reading this article from Dustin Long on weather vs. the elimination races of the Chase. Nobody likes a rain shortened event. Heck, most everyone questions the credibility of the win when less the the full length is run. Like the new Chase format or not, it's here for this year anyway. How would you feel about those Chase races being called for rain with the importance of each of them? Should NASCAR change this rain/half way policy for these Chase races?
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Yes.
 
MRM said:
My take is this. Do all you can to get the whole thing in that day (even into the night if the track has lights). But if that can't happen and are forced to finish it the next day, go ahead and call it.
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Do you think that having lights should be a requirement of a track hosting a Chase race?
 
I'd like the Chase races to be held on Saturday with Sunday being available as either a continuation of or a replacement date in the event of rain. I also think all of those Chase tracks should have lights. They've got to make every effort to have those race run to their advertised length.
 
Everybody knows how I feel, stupid to not be prepared to run in the rain, people won't show or buy tickets if it is a threat of rain at the track because they know Nascar will call it off. TV viewers don't want to sit for hours during a rain delay. Lights aren't going to stop the rain, unless it is a downpour, the race needs to be run when it is scheduled to be run.
 
StandOnIt said:
Everybody knows how I feel, stupid to not be prepared to run in the rain, people won't show or buy tickets if it is a threat of rain at the track because they know Nascar will call it off. TV viewers don't want to sit for hours during a rain delay. Lights aren't going to stop the rain, unless it is a downpour, the race needs to be run when it is scheduled to be run.
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That reminds me, a few weeks ago the NASCAR Whelen Euro Series race at their oval in France was actually ran during wet conditions. First time I have ever heard of a NASCAR oval race ran in the rain. I did once see a Hooters Pro Cup race at Mansfield race during heavy drizzle/mist but not full blown rain. Although the event in France was a small oval and the Cup tracks are large, so there is a big speed difference, I still found it interesting that they held it in the rain.
Here is the article about that race:
http://hometracks.nascar.com/race-recap_Mathias-Lauda_Snatches_Historic_Win_In_The_Wet_070614
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
This isn't really about running the race in the rain. It ain't happening. Not this year, that's for sure.
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I realized that, but since StandOnIt mentioned it, i figured that I would throw out there that a recent NASCAR oval race was ran during the rain.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
I was just reading this article from Dustin Long on weather vs. the elimination races of the Chase. Nobody likes a rain shortened event. Heck, most everyone questions the credibility of the win when less the the full length is run. Like the new Chase format or not, it's here for this year anyway. How would you feel about those Chase races being called for rain with the importance of each of them? Should NASCAR change this rain/half way policy for these Chase races?
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Don't really care about who is champion this year or how they get it. It's all about the racing for me, and rain shortened events usually suck. They suck not because they ran less laps, they suck because there was no hard racing for the win.
 
FenderBumper said:
They suck not because they ran less laps, they suck because there was no hard racing for the win.
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I guess we all see this differently or maybe it's just me that does? I've always thought the pending rain has caused them to race harder knowing that the race was bound to be shortened. Again, probably just my view on things.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
I guess we all see this differently or maybe it's just me that does? I've always thought the pending rain has caused them to race harder knowing that the race was bound to be shortened. Again, probably just my view on things.
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I've always thought that too.
 
Consideration for the fans that went through the expense and effort to attend the race should be given the utmost consideration but this elimination deal makes it tough. I would recommend staying as long is it takes to run all of the laps. The fans in attendance will just need to realize that these are playoff races and weather may inhibit their opportunity to see the conclusion of the event.
 
I think weather is just one of several things that are going to make this year's Chase a mess.
 
Matthew2470 said:
Baseball does it all the time.
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I've seen Professional Baseball games games resumed in the top of the 9th inning two out with a runner in scoring position with the batter having a 3-2 count. It's usually completed either before the next game or during both teams next series. It doesn't happen often but it does happen. They play and complete 162 games with no tie's.
 
ToyYoda said:
I think weather is just one of several things that are going to make this year's Chase a mess.
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A mess? How will it be a mess? The rules are clear and defined. Some people not liking the format doesn't mean that it's going to be a mess.
 
Wingnutcnc said:
I've seen Professional Baseball games games resumed in the top of the 9th inning two out with a runner in scoring position with the batter having a 3-2 count. It's usually completed either before the next game or during both teams next series. It doesn't happen often but it does happen. They play and complete 162 games with no tie's.
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Baseball rules deem that a game is official if the home team is winning after the top of the fifth.
 
KevinWI said:
Running in the rain on ovals is stupid and dangerous. Anybody who thinks it's a good idea doesn't know what they're talking about.
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It's usually a sign of someone who has no grasp of physics and fails to consider how miserable it would be as a fan to sit there and watch a 70mph crash fest where caution laps outnumber green laps by a 5-1 ratio all while sitting around in wet clothes.
 
Run it late into the night like they had to with Chicagoland last year, and into the next day for Charlotte. Not much you can do for the tracks without lights outside of just calling it. The last thing the Chase needs is a fluke winner so whatever can be done to prevent that should take place.
 
Wingnutcnc said:
I have never seen a professional sport be called final until all remaining time or what have you, has been completed.
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Not professional, but a couple of FSU and UF football games have been called in the 3rd and 4th quarter because of lightning the last several years.
 
Matthew2470 said:
Baseball rules deem that a game is official if the home team is winning after the top of the fifth.
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Home team, top of the 5th with the lead doesn't happen very often. MLB will always try and complete the full games that's why they have double hitters.
 
[quote="FLRacingFan, post: 808390, member: 7165"]Not professional, but a couple of FSU and UF football games have been called in the 3rd and 4th quarter because of lightning the last several years.[/quote]

Zactly!!...
 
Wingnutcnc said:
[quote="FLRacingFan, post: 808390, member: 7165"]Not professional, but a couple of FSU and UF football games have been called in the 3rd and 4th quarter because of lightning the last several years.
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Zactly!!...[/quote]
SEC and ACC football isn't exactly small-dollar athletics.
 
BobbyFord said:
Snow, too.
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I ride one of these, so I don't mind snow:

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What's your monthly water bill look like?
 
KevinWI said:
Per 1,000 gallons?
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1000 gallons?
I'm not exactly sure what the water portion of the bill is. Because it's L.A. city, our bill is for water, electricity, solid trash pick up, sewer maintenance and some city taxes. My bill for two months is about $240.
We get a bill every two months. Solid trash pick up is $75 of the two month bill.
 
toledo47 said:
That reminds me, a few weeks ago the NASCAR Whelen Euro Series race at their oval in France was actually ran during wet conditions. First time I have ever heard of a NASCAR oval race ran in the rain. I did once see a Hooters Pro Cup race at Mansfield race during heavy drizzle/mist but not full blown rain. Although the event in France was a small oval and the Cup tracks are large, so there is a big speed difference, I still found it interesting that they held it in the rain.
Here is the article about that race:
http://hometracks.nascar.com/race-recap_Mathias-Lauda_Snatches_Historic_Win_In_The_Wet_070614
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Don't let Brian see this..he just found out the other day that the earth isn't flat, this would be the last straw.:biggrin: I think most when they think of rain, think of racing in a cloud burst. But most rain isn't like that and to call the race because a speck of rain is on the track and take an hour and a half to dry it and then a little more rain falls and here we go again looks awful goofy compared to what everybody else has been doing for a hundred years.
 
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Matthew2470 said:
A mess? How will it be a mess? The rules are clear and defined. Some people not liking the format doesn't mean that it's going to be a mess.
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You're right, me liking or not liking the format makes no difference. But, the reason I think it will be a mess is because the format just begs for controversy. Other than the rain or a fake caution deciding a winner, say for example, Jimmie Johnson wins one of the first two Chase races at Chicagoland or New Hampshire, and Jeff Gordon DNF's at both. Then at the 3rd Chase race in Dover, Jimmie is leading and Gordon is running 2nd, 3 seconds behind Jimmie with 10 laps to go. Does Jimmie intentionally slow down to let Jeff by so he can advance? I think the answer is yes, and I bet a scenario like that will present itself at least once.

I just think there are a lot of things that can (and probably will) go wrong under this format.
 
ToyYoda said:
You're right, me liking or not liking the format makes no difference. But, the reason I think it will be a mess is because the format just begs for controversy. Other than the rain or a fake caution deciding a winner, say for example, Jimmie Johnson wins one of the first two Chase races at Chicagoland or New Hampshire, and Jeff Gordon DNF's at both. Then at the 3rd Chase race in Dover, Jimmie is leading and Gordon is running 2nd, 3 seconds behind Jimmie with 10 laps to go. Does Jimmie intentionally slow down to let Jeff by so he can advance? I think the answer is yes, and I bet a scenario like that will present itself at least once.

I just think there are a lot of things that can (and probably will) go wrong under this format.
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If something like that happens, I hope the teams will keep their mouths shut on the radio, because Nascar will make a killing with the fines..it helps to pay for the next NEW chase format next year.
 
StandOnIt said:
If something like that happens, I hope the teams will keep their mouths shut on the radio, because Nascar will make a killing with the fines..it helps to pay for the next NEW chase format next year.
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I think MWR taught everybody a valuable lesson about open mics last year, but I think there will still be shenanigans o' plenty come Chase time.
 
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