Chevy and NASCAR - Day’s numbered?

2 Sweet said:
Also, pour one out for Rainbowplates/4tires17 gals claiming that drivers with longer legs like Kyle Busch and Brian Scott (lol) have an unfair advantage in the race car due to their long legs. Also, short pitting.

Pour another one out for the guy who wanted to see stock cars racing on Mars or Pluto or whatever.
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I always heard tale that the neckless short sawed off type drivers had the advantage.
 
Charlie Spencer said:
Yep. Poor Bob, he may had a lot of interesting stuff to share, but he hung that albatross around his own neck and it never went away.
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I thought that was the only insider info he had. He was so sure of it...
 
Mispeedway15 said:
Right? Supply chain grad here that used to work for Honda. What Honda/Toyota do is run with low inventories but use almost exclusively American made parts. That way they can guarantee consistent supply, expedite whenever needed and ensure quality by being able to send engineers whenever possible.
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Who retains the profits? Honda in Japan or an American?
 
OldTimer said:
Ford, only trucks, with the most USA content and assembled here, unlike GM.

Oh yeah, almost forgot, I do have a Tesla...it is company car. Only use it when my travels allow. Like the owner's manual says... not recommended for use when average ambient temperature is 15'F or less, And real world range could be less than half of the stated maximum range if vehicle is used at steady highway speeds.

Those two things pretty much make it a car pad queen. Under ideal conditions you are supposed to get 200-225 miles on a "full" charge. Driving a steady 80 MPH on the freeway cuts that to about 100 miles, so it is useless to me for anything more than 40-50 miles away since I am rural and my nearest customer is 42 miles away. In winter, at steady highway speeds, I am looking for a quick charge unit by the time the mileage clicks 50.
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There must be something wrong with your Tesla. It should only lose about 5% to 10% of its range due to cold weather - not the 50% or more that you report.
Call Tesla service - they'll come to you.
 
gone said:
There must be something wrong with your Tesla. It should only lose about 5% to 10% of its range due to cold weather - not the 50% or more that you report.
Call Tesla service - they'll come to you.
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Actually, it is Tesla themselves that made the 50% criteria. In fact, it actually says it in the owners manual. Up to 50% loss in extreme cold temperatures under 15'F
 
OldTimer said:
Actually, it is Tesla themselves that made the 50% criteria. In fact, it actually says it in the owners manual. Up to 50% loss in extreme cold temperatures under 15'F
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Sorry - somehow that 15 degrees Fahrenheit (and less) temperature failed to register with me. Ouch, that's cold! Those kinds of temperatures are pretty tough on all types of cars, but yes batteries don't fare well when they're that cold. Would have to park it inside a heated garage to combat that.

Still don't understand why driving at 80 MPH would also cut its range by half or more. Unless you were doing that while the temperature was extremely cold, and the car started the trip already at that extreme cold temperature (wasn't kept in a heated garage). Sounds like you'll have to wait for better batteries to come along before an EV is much use for you.
 
gone said:
Sorry - somehow that 15 degrees Fahrenheit (and less) temperature failed to register with me. Ouch, that's cold! Those kinds of temperatures are pretty tough on all types of cars, but yes batteries don't fare well when they're that cold. Would have to park it inside a heated garage to combat that.

Still don't understand why driving at 80 MPH would also cut its range by half or more. Unless you were doing that while the temperature was extremely cold, and the car started the trip already at that extreme cold temperature (wasn't kept in a heated garage). Sounds like you'll have to wait for better batteries to come along before an EV is much use for you.
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Ehhh...isn't that nearly on-par with gasoline cars? My 09 Rav4 will get 40mpg at 50-55mph. Drops to 30mpg at the 65mph range. If I did 80-85mph on a flat road it's low 20s mpg and RPM's 1,000 more than at 60mph.

No matter your choice of propulsion, friction and wind start to make a huge difference at 70mph.
 
lithium iron phosphate batteries are more sensitive to cold temperatures than flooded lead acid or glass mats. Some of the newer Lipo's have a built in heater to keep them from freezing. I would go hybrid myself, the engine will take good care of those expensive batteries if I wanted to mess with battery power.
 
gone said:
Sorry - somehow that 15 degrees Fahrenheit (and less) temperature failed to register with me. Ouch, that's cold! Those kinds of temperatures are pretty tough on all types of cars, but yes batteries don't fare well when they're that cold. Would have to park it inside a heated garage to combat that.

Still don't understand why driving at 80 MPH would also cut its range by half or more. Unless you were doing that while the temperature was extremely cold, and the car started the trip already at that extreme cold temperature (wasn't kept in a heated garage). Sounds like you'll have to wait for better batteries to come along before an EV is much use for you.
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15 Fahrenheit is cold?? That is shorts & t-shirt weather in February!
 
OldTimer said:
Who retains the profits? Honda in Japan or an American?
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Americans who work for Honda would seem to profit from them. As do Americans who own Honda Motor Company shares traded on the NY Stock Exchange. They may own these shares either directly or via an investment fund they're involved in.

Fun fact: Japan is the largest foreign owner of US national debt, so thank them for using their Honda (and other) profits to help us stay afloat: Foreign owners of US debt

OldTimer said:
Only country that counts in my book
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The US is only 4% of the world population, and imports more than it exports. But keep pretending the rest of the world is irrelevant, lol.
 
OldTimer said:
Actually, it is Tesla themselves that made the 50% criteria. In fact, it actually says it in the owners manual. Up to 50% loss in extreme cold temperatures under 15'F
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Here's why I got confused - I have some charts, prepared by "A Better Routeplanner" on the Cleantechnica website (2018), that show real world data collected from Tesla owners for battery range vs. speed (and also vs. temperature) that do not agree with your experience. I've also found similar graphs provided by Tesla (published in 2012) that also do not match your experience. Both show that battery range should remain at almost 200 miles per full charge, even when driving 80 mph in temperatures below 32 degrees Fahrenheit.

I don't have a copy of your owner's manual, and the data I can find does not go as low as 15 degrees Fahrenheit. I've seen where Teslas are popular in Norway, which gets at least as cold as you report. I'm not disputing your experience - you know better than any of us what you are experiencing - but that is why I suspected that something is not quite right with your car.

Tesla Range Plotted Relative To Speed & Temperature (Graphs) - CleanTechnica

A Better Routeplanner, a blog that discusses EV trip planning and ways to maximize range, has amassed an impressive database of driving data from Tesla owners (you can donate data too, by logging in to MyTesla in ABRP and checking “Share Data with ABRP”).
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Model S Efficiency and Range | Tesla

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Candace66 said:
Americans who work for Honda would seem to profit from them. As do Americans who own Honda Motor Company shares traded on the NY Stock Exchange. They may own these shares either directly or via an investment fund they're involved in.

Fun fact: Japan is the largest foreign owner of US national debt, so thank them for using their Honda (and other) profits to help us stay afloat: Foreign owners of US debt


The US is only 4% of the world population, and imports more than it exports. But keep pretending the rest of the world is irrelevant, lol.
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The rest of the world is irrelevant to me...do not care. Have been to 37 countries during my career and do not see a need to go back to any of them anymore. That interest waned twenty years ago.
 
gone said:
Sorry - somehow that 15 degrees Fahrenheit (and less) temperature failed to register with me. Ouch, that's cold! Those kinds of temperatures are pretty tough on all types of cars, but yes batteries don't fare well when they're that cold. Would have to park it inside a heated garage to combat that.

Still don't understand why driving at 80 MPH would also cut its range by half or more. Unless you were doing that while the temperature was extremely cold, and the car started the trip already at that extreme cold temperature (wasn't kept in a heated garage). Sounds like you'll have to wait for better batteries to come along before an EV is much use for you.
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Read the latest Car and Driver magazine as to their 1000 mile tests along with naming the EV of the year.
 
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