Condrats Johnny!

To quote Bones Bourcier, "If it's okay to wreck a guy as long as you're going for the win, then maybe it's okay to rob a convenience store if you really, really need the money."

I hate when anybody bumps anybody out of the way in order to "win". And Johnny didn't even try to pass Matt cleanly. The way I see it, he gave him a cheap shot trying to wreck him, and Matt was fortunate to save it. Just because Matt doesn't drive Busch full-time and Johnny does, doesn't mean it was right. Matt had the race won, and should have won it. If you really have the faster car, Johnny, why can't you make a clean pass? I agree that Matt shouldn't have bumped Johnny under caution, but it irkes me that people are using that as justification for trying to wreck a guy. That's a matter you should settle in the garage area, not on the race-track. If the contact on the last lap was incidental, maybe I would be singing a different tune, but there was nothing incidental about that hit. It shows disrespect for the people you are racing against, and disregard for their personal safety.

If that's the way Johnny has to win races, I don't want to see him in Winston Cup full-time in the near future. I would say the same thing no matter who was on the giving and recieving ends of that incident.


"Rubbin' is not racin'. Rubbin' is rubbin'. Racin' is racin'. There is a difference." -Bourcier
 
I saw a place where I THINK Sauter could have passed him, but like Sauter said, if he(meaning Kenseth) wants to race that way he(Sauter) will also. Sauter also said that Kenseth wasnt going to push him around....so, he did exactly what Kenseth did to him. And if they would have taken that to the garage, no telling how out of hand it could have gotten, espicaly with the crews. But anyways, Great job for Sauter.
 
That was a good race from start to finish!
Johnny by far had the best car there last night!

When the first contact happened it was just plain ans simple racing. Johnny slid up the track out of turn 4 and hit Matt, puttign them both sideways. If Matt was not there Johnny very well could have ened up in the wall! They both did a GREAT job of saving the cars. When Matt gave Johnny a punt after the yellow went out that was un called for! He did it in the worst place when both were still at speed and going into turn one. IF he wanted to do it he should have waited untill he was on the back strech were it would not be as likely to crash. Matt could have wrecked johnny big time. Matt needs to remeber that he is racing for the WC Championship. He need to be careful as to what he does in the NBS. If Johnny would have crashed it could have been possible that Matt could have gotten tonight off, might not mean much since he has a huge lead, but it sure would make him look bad. AS for the pass for the win. Atta boy Johnny!! Give that guy a little taste of his own medicaine. The bump-and-run is part of racing these days since its so hard to pass. I bet Matt will use it tonight at some point.


Congrats to Johnny, and the whole CURB/Adjaninean(sp?) team! AS was pointed out in victory lane this was the first win for the #43 since it started back 10 -12 years ago. This team is a good team and has had some god drivers and races in the past. Johnny should have gotten that first win for them in New Hampshire but had a problem! It sure was great to see a Petty Blue #43 in victory lane last night! I just would like to see the real Petty Blue #43 in victory lane again soon!
 
Originally posted by wlfyk62@Sep 6 2003, 10:04 AM
That was a great race. Matt Kenseth is a LOSER................. Johnny Sauter is a good and decent driver, i like is driving skills.

The end of race was a good deal. I was hoping Kevin Harvick beat the living piss out of Matt Kenseth for going after him. Matt Kenseth is a whines to much becuase Sauter and Harvick teamed up on him.


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What race did you watch? I saw Kenseth try to pass Sauter cleanly and almost get put into the wall in what could be called a racing incident. Then Kenseth cleanly passed Sauter with a few laps to go and Sauter took him out in the last turns.But I can tell your a real fan because you want to see somebody get the piss beat out of them. :rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by Brand X Guy+Sep 6 2003, 10:21 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Brand X Guy @ Sep 6 2003, 10:21 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--wlfyk62@Sep 6 2003, 10:04 AM
That was a great race. Matt Kenseth is a LOSER................. Johnny Sauter is a good and decent driver, i like is driving skills.

The end of race was a good deal. I was hoping Kevin Harvick beat the living piss out of Matt Kenseth for going after him. Matt Kenseth is a whines to much becuase Sauter and Harvick teamed up on him.


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What race did you watch? I saw Kenseth try to pass Sauter cleanly and almost get put into the wall in what could be called a racing incident. Then Kenseth cleanly passed Sauter with a few laps to go and Sauter took him out in the last turns.But I can tell your a real fan because you want to see somebody get the piss beat out of them. :rolleyes: [/b][/quote]
He didnt take Kenseth out...he just bumped him and Kenseth didnt wreck and finished 6th. I agree with PB4510, let him use it in the Winston. He's got the Winston championship and thats what he should be concentrating on right now, not what a busch driver did to him for the win. If he was competing for the championship then yes he would have every right to be mad at Sauter.
 
I was @ RIR watching the race becuase my team didnt make the race. I work for Morgan Shepherd Racing. Matt Kenseth went after Kevin Harvick in the pits and tryed to start stuff. I have it all on camera. Matt Kenseth and all the other Cup drivers should stay in the Cup Series becuase everytime a cup driver comes down to the bgn aka minor league racing, they always win.

Matt Kenseth is a baby, he needs to cry about every little thing. So what Johnny Sauter put him the wall and Johnny and Kevin critirze him after the race, their is no reason for Matt Kenseth to start crap with Kevin Harvick becuase Johnny Sauter which is Kevin Harvick teammate put him in the wall.

Let me guess Brand X Guy you are a Matt Kenseth Fan??? I am a Jamie McMurray and Brian Vickers fan so, I always work for a team, I know my racing during season and off season.

Matt Kenseth should be in the Busch Grand National series becuase if he does something stupid like Kurt Busch did and he get suspended or hurt he is down for the Final Winston Cup Series Trophy or even the future with the Nascar Nextel Cup Series.

Matt Kenseth got a little ****y over the years and i know it becuase i am good friends with his old tire changer Matt Chambers.
 
Ok, so its ok for Matt to rough Johnny up under caution, but its not ok for Johnny to use the bumber to win? I dont blame Johnny... I would of done the same thing. This is the kind of racing that made the sport what it is. Nobody gives a damn about all the 'follow the leader' races. Congrats to Johnny... Congrats to Kevin... A tissue box for Matt Kenseth.
 
Originally posted by smack500+Sep 6 2003, 03:25 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (smack500 @ Sep 6 2003, 03:25 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin--Brand X Guy@Sep 5 2003, 10:34 PM
That sucked Johnny, you're a loser in my book. Go back to the county fair demolition derby where you belong.
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Brand x werent you backing up kurt busch after the bristol race, and you call what johny did to matt dirty driving?


I thought it was just a bump and run, regular thing on a short track, it was done near the end of the race for the win.[/b][/quote]
That's about right. I don't see the big connection. What Kurt did was not on purpose and far from the last lap but because most everybody wished Spencer would have put him in the hospital he couldn't do anything right. Sauter openly gloated over what he purposely did. Yes, it was what they like to call the good old bump-and-run I guess. I just don't see the satisfaction in watching a 2.5 hour race to see someone get passed cleanly and then punt the leader out of the way in the last turn. Why don't we just change the rules so second place is the winner and save the body guys some work?
 
How Kenseth acted was ridiculas, it's kinda bad that Harvick had to put himself infront of Kenseth to keep him away from Sauter. I wonder how the race for today will be....

But I think that Winston drivers should be allowed to race with the Busch drivers. I think it gets them prepared for whats to come when, if they ever, decide or get to the Winston. Tony Stewart talked about it last night, he said that he liked racing against the Winston guys, he said it made him fell good(and gave him confidence) when he passed a Winston driver. I just think it prepares them for whats to come.
 
Brand X Guy...you must be a new NASCAR fan. Your recent posts puts that right in everybody's face.
 
Originally posted by wlfyk62@Sep 6 2003, 10:30 AM


Let me guess Brand X Guy you are a Matt Kenseth Fan???
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Nope, not particularly
 
Originally posted by Brand X Guy+Sep 6 2003, 10:35 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Brand X Guy @ Sep 6 2003, 10:35 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
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@Sep 5 2003, 10:34 PM
That sucked Johnny, you're a loser in my book. Go back to the county fair demolition derby where you belong.
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Brand x werent you backing up kurt busch after the bristol race, and you call what johny did to matt dirty driving?


I thought it was just a bump and run, regular thing on a short track, it was done near the end of the race for the win.
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That's about right. I don't see the big connection. What Kurt did was not on purpose and far from the last lap but because most everybody wished Spencer would have put him in the hospital he couldn't do anything right. Sauter openly gloated over what he purposely did. Yes, it was what they like to call the good old bump-and-run I guess. I just don't see the satisfaction in watching a 2.5 hour race to see someone get passed cleanly and then punt the leader out of the way in the last turn. Why don't we just change the rules so second place is the winner and save the body guys some work? [/b][/quote]
What Kurt did WAS on purpose....but Spencer has apoligized fot it, so move on from that incident, what 2 weeks ago now?

And Sauter in my mind had every right to do what he did. Kenseth didnt wreck, he finished in the top 10, and most of all not in the points race. And if you were watching TNT covering the race, you would understand why Sauter felt he had every right to do what he did.
 
Originally posted by slick-nick@Sep 6 2003, 10:37 AM
Brand X Guy...you must be a new NASCAR fan. Your recent posts puts that right in everybody's face.
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Hey now so am I....lol Ive just learned and trying not to say what isnt right or correct I should say.
 
Originally posted by slick-nick@Sep 6 2003, 10:37 AM
Brand X Guy...you must be a new NASCAR fan. Your recent posts puts that right in everybody's face.
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Been watching it since before you were born junior.
 
Originally posted by Luv4Dale8@Sep 6 2003, 10:42 AM




What Kurt did WAS on purpose....but Spencer has apoligized fot it, so move on from that incident, what 2 weeks ago now?
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See, now you're just talking garbage. I didn't bring it up I was answering someone so jump on them. You haven't learned anything.
 
Originally posted by Brand X Guy+Sep 6 2003, 10:48 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Brand X Guy @ Sep 6 2003, 10:48 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Luv4Dale8@Sep 6 2003, 10:42 AM




What Kurt did WAS on purpose....but Spencer has apoligized fot it, so move on from that incident, what 2 weeks ago now?
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See, now you're just talking garbage. I didn't bring it up I was answering someone so jump on them. You haven't learned anything. [/b][/quote]
It's NOT garbage, its just fact. Spencer has said that he was sorry and everytings fine, for now.
 
Luv4Dale8, just sit back and laugh at him. Thats all i'm doing..
 
What did he do to deserve to be laughed at? Disagree with you?

Edit: and yes, I've read the entire thread.
 
I'm ok with agree/disagree... thats what this board is all about, but if you've seen some of his posts lately.... I'm just gonna shut up.
 
I haven't seen anything in his posts on this thread that deserves to be ridiculed.
 
The parts where he's saying Kenseth has every right to be mad at Sauter for bumping him....isnt that what your saying brand x guy?
 
Thats this thread, but i'm not the only one who has seen it in others, but its ok I guess. Its what makes this site go around. We just have to agree to disagree. Anyhoo, how's the weather?
 
I'd be mad if I made a clean pass for the lead and then got knocked out of the way, too.
 
He didnt wreck Kenseth and he also finished in the top 10.... he has the Winston Championship and he's crying over a Busch loss?

Well Id say its maybe 70 something, freezing when I woke up this morning.
 
I wouldnt be mad if a bgn driver passed me clear if i drove in the Cup series. Matt Kenseth shouldnt be in the BGN Series when he is about to win the Cup Trophy
 
Originally posted by Luv4Dale8@Sep 6 2003, 11:10 AM
He didnt wreck Kenseth and he also finished in the top 10.... he has the Winston Champion ship and he's crying over a Busch loss?
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I was thinking the same thing...
 
:cheers: Looks like you folks are having fun with this post! :cheers:

I love this stuff man!Ok...ya'll get back at it,I think I will just watch this one. :)
 
If you don't get upset about not winning a race you should have won, then you're defeated before the green flag even drops - regardless of what race you happened to be running.
 
Originally posted by Luv4Dale8+Sep 6 2003, 10:55 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Luv4Dale8 @ Sep 6 2003, 10:55 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
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What Kurt did WAS on purpose....but Spencer has apoligized fot it, so move on from that incident, what 2 weeks ago now?
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See, now you're just talking garbage. I didn't bring it up I was answering someone so jump on them. You haven't learned anything.
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It's NOT garbage, its just fact. Spencer has said that he was sorry and everytings fine, for now.[/b][/quote]
I'm talking about your statement that Busch bumped Marlin on purpose, he apoligized too. He said it was a mistake and apologized for it, so where do you get that it was on purpose? I'm serious about having a discussion here don't just make a buch of flippant remarks. You and slick-nick.
 
Originally posted by stridsberry@Sep 6 2003, 11:16 AM
If you don't get upset about not winning a race you should have won, then you're defeated before the green flag even drops - regardless of what race you happened to be running.
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Very true, but still.. whats up with Matt roughing Johnny up under caution? Somebody please explain this to me?
 
That was after the first time that Matt tried to pass Johnny cleanly, and got roughed up in return.
 
Originally posted by Brand X Guy@Sep 6 2003, 11:17 AM
I'm serious about having a discussion here don't just make a buch of flippant remarks. You and slick-nick.
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Hmmmmm......
 
Originally posted by slick-nick+Sep 6 2003, 11:12 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (slick-nick @ Sep 6 2003, 11:12 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin--Luv4Dale8@Sep 6 2003, 11:10 AM
He didnt wreck Kenseth and he also finished in the top 10.... he has the Winston Champion ship and he's crying over a Busch loss?
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I was thinking the same thing... [/b][/quote]
You can think?? :lol:

Sorry, I couldn't help not knowing how to act and all that.
 
Originally posted by Brand X Guy+Sep 6 2003, 11:19 AM--></span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Brand X Guy @ Sep 6 2003, 11:19 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>
Originally posted by -slick-nick@Sep 6 2003, 11:12 AM
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He didnt wreck Kenseth and he also finished in the top 10.... he has the Winston Champion ship and he's crying over a Busch loss?
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I was thinking the same thing...
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You can think?? :lol:

Sorry, I couldn't help not knowing how to act and all that. [/b][/quote]
You can sure tell its a weekend, schools out!
 
Originally posted by stridsberry@Sep 6 2003, 11:19 AM
That was after the first time that Matt tried to pass Johnny cleanly, and got roughed up in return.
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Thanks for clearing that up, I didn't see that.
 
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