CONGRATULATIONS JEFF GORDON

Whizzer said:
This is the excitement the fans want and NASCAR intended.
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I don't know. Would there have been any less excitement if Gordon had just passed Kenseth without problems? (And I'm not saying that there was anything wrong with it.)

I find racing exciting even if there never are incidents like this. But, I guess I'm just a boring old guy.
 
BobbyFord said:
Based on your theory, there must be a bunch of "rednecks" attending Raider games, also.
Joking aside, I agree, it is a shame that those people act like idiots.
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Rednecks get a bad rap, most are good people. :D Call the trash throwers what they are: stupid.
 
Whizzer said:
Finally, someone making sense of what happened and not taking sides, plus being observant of the message Gordon was sending during the post race interview.
Did everyone forget what happened at Bristol ??? Matt Kenseth took Jeff Gordon out of the chase at that race.

Interestingly, Jeff Gordon's comments at the post-race interview were not those of a "whiner", "prima donna", "sponsor public relations dream groomed for television", race personality as described recently by many fans of the sport.

Comments made by Jeff Gordon were words of a driver who is racing hard, and will speak his mind. Gordon did everything but admit Kenseth and he had a score to settle without coming right out and saying it. Good move since we have seen what happens when they speak thier mind over the airwaves or later interviews.

Kenseth and Jeff Gordon are two of the best drivers in NASCAR today. Smart enough to put both incidents behind them and go on.

This is the excitement the fans want and NASCAR intended.
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No one is denying what happened in the past(25-30) years ago even 10 years ago, we are talking about what happened yesterday. Gordon chose to pass Matt when he was most vulnerable, when he knew he could get the best of him, either by punting him or using the lap car as a pick. He (jeffy) clearly had the best car, he could of passed Matt down the backstretch with ease, but chose instead to pass him where he could do the most damage. It was payback, Jeff admitted it, as for him being like Dale Sr., don't make me laugh, he isn't even close. Never will be, he is talented, smart most of the time, but yesterday was a bonehead move IMO. As for this continuing, if Matt was smart he would just out drive him the rest of the year and let it go. I hope he does just that, the arrogance of the Hendrick boys gets old quite quickly...Vickers being the exception and he is gone at the end of the season anyway. :cool:
 
I do not believe they didnt black flag the 24, The 17 may have run out of gas before the finish anyway, but if they are going to hold Edwards a lap after he clearly got lose and spun sombody trying to save his own car then they should have done the same for the 24.

If the 31 would have hit the 24 they would have black flagged him, Gordon is already known to be a agressive driver and Nascar is only letting him get away with it.

Get Rid of helton that way we have a sport again.
 
de7xwcc said:
just what makes you think it was jr fans ?
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yeah i know that has been established already....they were not.


and ok let's say jeff spun matt on purpose...seens their even now.

now they should get that past them and race.
 
fun_in_my_z said:
I do not believe they didnt black flag the 24, The 17 may have run out of gas before the finish anyway, but if they are going to hold Edwards a lap after he clearly got lose and spun sombody trying to save his own car then they should have done the same for the 24.

If the 31 would have hit the 24 they would have black flagged him, Gordon is already known to be a agressive driver and Nascar is only letting him get away with it.

Get Rid of helton that way we have a sport again.
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It is VERY obvious that you aren't a fan of ANY of the Hendrick cars, but you must have seen something that I didn't. Matt Kenseth slowed up in front of Jeff Gordon and Jeff couldn't slow up quick enough. The 24 car barely touched the 17, so barely there wasn't ANY damage.

If it would have been ANYONE other than the 24 car that turned Matt Kenseth, we WOULD NOT be having this conversation. :cool:
 
From reviewing the race myself not being a fan of either drive thinks Matt checked up or started to run out of gas. Jeff reeled matt in and was hungry to Pass him ASAP and was right on Matts tail. So close when matt checked up he had no were to go but into him. Its racing its great isnt it!?!?! My guy (Kasey) had a lousy finish so thats my honest option. :beerbang:

What I dont get is the morons throwing trash on the track what loosers after the race! :confused:
 
Mopardh9 said:
No one is denying what happened in the past(25-30) years ago even 10 years ago, we are talking about what happened yesterday. Gordon chose to pass Matt when he was most vulnerable, when he knew he could get the best of him, either by punting him or using the lap car as a pick. He (jeffy) clearly had the best car, he could of passed Matt down the backstretch with ease, but chose instead to pass him where he could do the most damage. It was payback, Jeff admitted it, as for him being like Dale Sr., don't make me laugh, he isn't even close. Never will be, he is talented, smart most of the time, but yesterday was a bonehead move IMO. As for this continuing, if Matt was smart he would just out drive him the rest of the year and let it go. I hope he does just that, the arrogance of the Hendrick boys gets old quite quickly...Vickers being the exception and he is gone at the end of the season anyway. :cool:
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Come on... Jeff not even close to SR???? It is time to move on. Seems to me they are basically even on wins. I don't want to get into an argument about Dale vs Jeff... But you need to go read Cross words on Nascar.com today and take it like a man. You can love Sr for being the way he was, but don't castigate Jeff for doing the same thing. Just go back to the Bristol Night race when SR dumped T Labonte. If you call Jeff boneheaded, you must say the same for SR (basic premise of the nascar.com article). What ever you say, YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS!

Here's the crazy thing from my viewpoint. Burton says that #24 should watch out. He expects Kenseth to payback Gordon. Did Burton watch the Bristol race?

Sure makes for more exciting post-race conversation!!!! :)
 
Aggiewes said:
Come on... Jeff not even close to SR???? It is time to move on. Seems to me they are basically even on wins. I don't want to get into an argument about Dale vs Jeff... But you need to go read Cross words on Nascar.com today and take it like a man. You can love Sr for being the way he was, but don't castigate Jeff for doing the same thing. Just go back to the Bristol Night race when SR dumped T Labonte. If you call Jeff boneheaded, you must say the same for SR (basic premise of the nascar.com article). What ever you say, YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS!

Here's the crazy thing from my viewpoint. Burton says that #24 should watch out. He expects Kenseth to payback Gordon. Did Burton watch the Bristol race?

Sure makes for more exciting post-race conversation!!!! :)
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Huh....??? I have never been a Sr fan nor will i ever be one, i never liked his style, he had great raw talent, was an ICON in the sport. I followed and thought Bill Elliot was the man back in the 80s and 90s. He was my favorite driver, hence my name Mopardh9. Bill ran Fords and when he switched to Evernham Dodges i followed right along, always a fan a Die Hard fan. Jeff chose to pass Matt at a time he could take utmost advantage of him and punt him into a spin. He admitted that in post race interview, if Jeff hadn't been so bent on forcing the issue in that corner Matt most likely would have run out of gas and we wouldn't be debating what a bonehead or lack of he(Jeff) is most of the time. Yeh i don't like Jeff, but i will say he has a ton of talent, he just chooses to show it in "strange " ways sometimes. No one is a saint in Nascar, even the nicest guys get ticked off enough to do something stupid. IMO Jeff was wrong Matt was right. Hope i made myself clear to the people that think i was a fan of Dale Sr. Never was, respected him a lot, but i wasn't his biggest fan for sure. :rolleyes:
 
Again, it just shows you how emotional and passionate we NASCAR fans are. We might trash one guy this week, but the other guy gets it the next week. I love this sport.

As for Jeffy and his style of driving, I see nothing has changed during his carreer. I watched the young man take on the best of the best at 16 years old, driving midgets and winning. To say that the kid can drive is the very least. If any one of you think that he's never been an over aggressive driver, you are sadly mistaken. I watched him one time drive right over the rear wheels of another car so as to win the race and he did just that. No, Jeffy is not another Dale Earnhardt, but then ol' Ironhead was never what Jeffy is today either. They came from two different worlds and both ended up with multiple championships. We can always argue who was the better between the two, but that will go the way it was when people were trying to compare Dale with the King Richard. They were in two different eras, though they all raced against each other. We can forever say that Dale never won as many races as Richard, but he never raced as many races either. We've yet to see if Jeffy can equal or pass the feats of Dale Sr., but if he does, it'll be for different reasons. I seriously doubt that Jeffy will be able to equal Dale's numbers in either wins or titles simply because the competition is so much closer now that it was in those first years of Dale's competition. Jeffy has plenty of years yet to work on that, but we can see that now it is even harder with the new "Chase" system. Say what you may about Jeffy, but he's a champion in his own right and is equal for that purpose to Dale or Richard.
 
what do you mean wins? he is only 1 win away for the tie...jeff has 75 and dale sr have 76.

but i agree with you that winning races has gotten tight, you must be a top contender week in and week out to be competetive.
 
Mopardh9 said:
Huh....??? I have never been a Sr fan nor will i ever be one
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Sorry... Just made a bad assumption that you are a SR fan. I guess I will just agree to disagree with the legions who hailed Earnhardt's style as wonderful then castigate Gordon for similar actions. I still don't get your points calling Gordon's move "boneheaded" when SR made similar moves throughout his career.
 
They should have a ring near the garage area. If you got a beef with someone throw on the gloves and box it out like men.
Keep it off the track where someone could get seriously hurt.
 
reck said:
another thing....the fans..or should i said...dale jr fans...are complete losers...you just dont do that when someone wins a race...i like dale and i'm sorry i'm saying this about his fans but truth be told..
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Excuse me? WTF Are you replying about the crap thrown onto the racetrack?
I could understand if jeff dumped Jr. but he dumped matt so maybe those were kennseth fans pissed at gordon and wheather they are Jr. fans or kenseth fans, it does'nt matter you don't throw crap onto the racetrack and if you can't tell by now I am a Jr. fan and I am not a loser pal.
 
BobbyFord said:
They should have a ring near the garage area. If you got a beef with someone throw on the gloves and box it out like men.
Keep it off the track where someone could get seriously hurt.
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It would never work, Gordon would want to leave his helmet on like in their first altercation.
:P :P :P
 
steve.. like i said before i already know that.
 
After watching the replay a few dozen times (love my moxi box) Either Matt lifted because of the lapped car on the outside, Maybe he was sputtering on gas, who knows. But he slowed. At first i thought Jeff dumped him, I admitt that. But after reviewing the crash a bunch of times matt slowed down, for what ever reason.
 
So if someone slows in front of you on the road, it's o.k. to get in the back of 'em?
Jeff could lifted and passed him when the lapped car wasn't a factor, there were plenty of laps left.
 
fergy1370 said:
You usually aren't going 150 mph and a couple of feet from the other guys bumper on the road......
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How do you know?
You don't know what or how I drive.
I know that if you ARE going to drive 150 mph a couple of feet from the other guy, you oughta be able to control your car.
I'll tell you what, though, I have bump-drafted in the hot lane at 100 mph on the 118 and I didn't spin out the lame in the Honda.
 
Fergy, I'm sure that you guys there in Va would welcome this guy to come and bump draft at those speeds. :rolleyes: I guess it takes all kinds. I hope he never comes to North Carolina with that attitude. We don't need any dead people because some idiot wants to bump draft at 100 mph on our roads. For the most part, he'd be driving at least 20 mph faster than the rest of us and that wouldn't be pretty. Mr Bobby Ford, please, please stay out there with your driving. Down this way, we let that kind of thing go on on the track and not on the highways.
 
BobbyFord said:
So if someone slows in front of you on the road, it's o.k. to get in the back of 'em?
Jeff could lifted and passed him when the lapped car wasn't a factor, there were plenty of laps left.
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IF you're talking about driving on a public highway, and IF you're that close, YOU ARE AT FAULT!
 
kat2220 said:
IF you're talking about driving on a public highway, and IF you're that close, YOU ARE AT FAULT!
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Agreed.
Like I said before, I don't slam Jeffy for spinning Matt, I just think he could have used a little patience and passed him clean after they cleared the 42.
 
Congrats on the win! Isn't that what this thread was for in the first place?..LOL
 
I don't see where anyone's getting out of line so what's the problem with a spirited debate?
 
Good for Gordon is all im saying.. and i can't wait to see what happens next race that will bump him back out of the top 10.. as is the pattern :P
 
buckaroo said:
Fergy, I'm sure that you guys there in Va would welcome this guy to come and bump draft at those speeds. :rolleyes: I guess it takes all kinds. I hope he never comes to North Carolina with that attitude. Down this way, we let that kind of thing go on on the track and not on the highways.
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YEA !!!!!!! :) :) Tell that to Richard Petty !!!!!!! :) :)


It's a joke Son, it's a joke !!!!!!
 
LeDoux22 said:
Good for Gordon is all im saying.. and i can't wait to see what happens next race that will bump him back out of the top 10.. as is the pattern :P
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yeah but it isn't his doing..he gets taken out for whatever reason,,if is not jj yeley with his pathetic driving is some kind of mechanical failure :o
 
reck said:
yeah but it isn't his doing..he gets taken out for whatever reason,,if is not jj yeley with his pathetic driving is some kind of mechanical failure :o
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So JJ Yeley is the only one out there???? Why single him out?
 
just because he he wrecks every single darn week that's why..
 
Whizzer said:
YEA !!!!!!! :) :) Tell that to Richard Petty !!!!!!! :) :)


It's a joke Son, it's a joke !!!!!!
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I know exactly the incident you are talking about. But for your info Mr Whiz, that little incident cost the man his election and he was so far ahead in the polls. But I wonder, could the car that he bumped have been that of our own Bobby Ford? I wonder if that is where BF learned this. ;)
 
buckaroo said:
I know exactly the incident you are talking about. But for your info Mr Whiz, that little incident cost the man his election and he was so far ahead in the polls. But I wonder, could the car that he bumped have been that of our own Bobby Ford? I wonder if that is where BF learned this. ;)
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No way, buck, it wasn't me. I swear. :rolleyes:
 
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