Could the Chase come to the Nationwide Series soon?

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Remember the outcry in Cup when Kenseth won the Championship after only having won one race that season? The next season the Chase was introduced to NASCAR. What do you think will happen to the Nationwide Series should Austin Dillon win the hardware without a single win to his credit?
 
No, I don't think so. From the reading I've done about the process that went into coming up with the Chase, it wasn't just Kenseth's one win and Roger Penske's complaining, but also Nextel was coming on as a sponsor that year and wanted to give the series a new feel to differentiate it from the Winston years. Seems to me that they'll keep the Chase just for the top series. Just my opinion though from the outside looking in. I can't really predict what Brian France does anymore.
 
KevinWI said:
No, I don't think so. From the reading I've done about the process that went into coming up with the Chase, it wasn't just Kenseth's one win and Roger Penske's complaining, but also Nextel was coming on as a sponsor that year and wanted to give the series a new feel to differentiate it from the Winston years. Seems to me that they'll keep the Chase just for the top series. Just my opinion though from the outside looking in. I can't really predict what Brian France does anymore.
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Sounds a little like what is about to happen with the, soon to be extinct, Nationwide Series. A new sponsor will be comming there as well.

I realize that the implimentation of the Chase was thought of before Kenseth's one win season but I can see the same mistake being made twice.
 
dpkimmel2001 said:
Sounds a little like what is about to happen with the, soon to be extinct, Nationwide Series. A new sponsor will be comming there as well.

I realize that the implimentation of the Chase was thought of before Kenseth's one win season but I can see the same mistake being made twice.
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That is exactly what I thought when I read that. I wouldn't be surprised. They did it cup and like it, why wouldn't they bring the same thing to other series?
 
I think one purpose of the Chase is to try to have as many of the more popular Cup drivers in competition for the championship to keep the fans happy.

In that regard it isn't necessary in the NW series.
 
gordonite said:
I think one purpose of the Chase is to try to have as many of the more popular Cup drivers in competition for the championship to keep the fans happy.

In that regard it isn't necessary in the NW series.
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Good point.. theres usually only about 5 cars that could run for a championship on the NW side... and by this time the top 2 or 3 are the ones people care about... other than that they're watching to see their fav cup driver win.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
NASCAR imported the Chase to compete with the NFL.
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I think that has a lot to do with it. It's no coincidence that the Chase starts right around the time the NFL season kicks off. Hasn't done much good though, NASCAR TV ratings still take a nosedive every year once football starts.
 
ToyYoda said:
I think that has a lot to do with it. It's no coincidence that the Chase starts right around the time the NFL season kicks off. Hasn't done much good though, NASCAR TV ratings still take a nosedive every year once football starts.
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Yeah competing with the NFL is a crazy idea for any sport. It's only 8 points between the top 2 in Nationwide so they're doing fine without a points reset.
 
Nope.

Whether that proposal will become a reality remains a question, as NASCAR chairman and CEO Brian France told ESPNDallas.com's Richard Durrett that he doubted the Nationwide series would get a Chase.

"I don't think so. It's a shorter season, for starters with 10 fewer races or so. That would create some issues," France said. "We have four national divisions, so we've got to distinguish them and doing too many things wouldn't do that. I don't think you'll see that."
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http://sports.espn.go.com/rpm/nascar/nationwide/news/story?id=5471013&campaign=link&source=JAYSKI

As long as no one tells Brian they race more than 26 times per season we should be OK.
 
SlicedBread22 said:
Maybe they'll make a "chase" but its just that the cup guys are banned from lower series for the final 10 races.. I would like to see something like that. It'll never happen though.
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You no like seeing Joey get beat by Kyle Busch :D
 
They keep throwing these Nationwide drivers into the cup series like they are really ready. They should at least have to win a few NW races before they graduate. In what way would the NW series really be better without the cup guys
 
Kyle18fan said:
They keep throwing these Nationwide drivers into the cup series like they are really ready. They should at least have to win a few NW races before they graduate. In what way would the NW series really be better without the cup guys
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You just said it yourself, keep the cup guys out and let the minor league drivers learn to win races in their league on their own without the cup guys getting pissed and wrecking them out and when they are ready they move up. They learn by racing their peers on their own terms not by racing major league drivers and getting pushed around.
 
Stewart Fan said:
If the Cup guys wouldn't take up all the rids, the owners would find non cup guys to race. They'd have no other choice.
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The owners want to win races and collect bunches of owner points. Not too many NW drivers they can depend on to do that. Look at the guys JGR hired to race NW full time, Is it really a surprise that Gibbs has to put Kyle in that series to get something done ? If they would leave guys in the NW series a few years instead of throwing them in a cup car there would be some decent drivers in there.
Joey Lagono and Kyle Larson are a few that come to my mind. Why not leave them in there and win a championship or two ?
 
Everything I've ever seem from the drivers in the NW series is that they want to race against Cup regulars in their series, so they have a chance to race against the best in the sport.

It seems like it's only some of the fans that don't like it.
 
The chase this year in cup is doing exactly what they dreamt it would do when they came up with it. Couple of three drivers who have a miniscule chance of winning the thing are in the race for the title who wouldn't have a tinkers chance in Haiti in the real world. Doing the same thing it does to stick n ball. Keeping the one horse Johnny's watching their driver that would normally be out of it. their two big moneymakers, Jr and Danica are out of it, but Mr. 24 third place has his face plastered all over the web and the Jeff fans are tuning in.$$$. It would not surprise me a bit if they did it to N'wide, they have been jumping thru hoops for the last few years changing things around trying to attract more fans. Some of it is pretty good, not racing back to the caution, the lucky dog, and the double file restarts. But to me, the chase is a fake situation appearing real..everybody in the press loves it, the Nascar brass do too, so we all play make believe and the show goes on.
 
gordonite said:
Everything I've ever seem from the drivers in the NW series is that they want to race against Cup regulars in their series, so they have a chance to race against the best in the sport.

It seems like it's only some of the fans that don't like it.
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I don't believe that any more than I believe most of what the politically correct cup drivers say about Nascars rules. I believe the few NNS drivers who say they like racing the cup drivers in the minor leagues are just being PC to try and not upset the powers that be so they can advance easier. You believe whatever you want and I'll stick to my beliefs.
 
gordonite said:
Everything I've ever seem from the drivers in the NW series is that they want to race against Cup regulars in their series, so they have a chance to race against the best in the sport.

It seems like it's only some of the fans that don't like it.
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I don't actually expect them to say "Yeah, I don't like them taking up all of the top equipment in our series" when they're directly asked about it.
 
Johali said:
I don't believe that any more than I believe most of what the politically correct cup drivers say about Nascars rules. I believe the few NNS drivers who say they like racing the cup drivers in the minor leagues are just being PC to try and not upset the powers that be so they can advance easier. You believe whatever you want and I'll stick to my beliefs.
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Beat me to it by one whole second, lol.
 
Johali said:
You just said it yourself, keep the cup guys out and let the minor league drivers learn to win races in their league on their own without the cup guys getting pissed and wrecking them out and when they are ready they move up. They learn by racing their peers on their own terms not by racing major league drivers and getting pushed around.
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Some learn to push back and some dont. If they are going to cup they will be pushed around by 42 instead of a few. Better to get used to it a little at a time instead of all at once. Besides its not like the cup guys go over there and wreck everybody, they usually just race rather hard
 
Kyle18fan said:
Some learn to push back and some dont. If they are going to cup they will be pushed around by 42 instead of a few. Better to get used to it a little at a time instead of all at once. Besides its not like the cup guys go over there and wreck everybody, they usually just race rather hard
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I don't agree with you but you believe what you want and I'll believe what I want and I believe that kybu beating up on the minor league drivers is a bad thing.
 
Johali said:
I don't agree with you but you believe what you want and I'll believe what I want and I believe that kybu beating up on the minor league drivers is a bad thing.
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Sounds like a fair deal to me
 
guess it is one more wank about cup in N'wide..could have sworn the topic was about a chase format..o_O
 
FLRacingFan said:
I don't actually expect them to say "Yeah, I don't like them taking up all of the top equipment in our series" when they're directly asked about it.
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I wouldn't expect them to say that either. I guess I'm just looking at it differently.
If a NW driver can run with and be competitive against a Cup driver, I'd think that is an important indicator to him that he may be good enough to compete in the Cup series. Which is where they're all trying to get.
Even if the NW driver doesn't win the race, I would think having an opportunity to compete against a few Cup drivers to measure themselves up against would be something they would want to do.
 
One of the most important things Nascar didn't address about NNS points, In My Opinion, is the Manufacturers Championship. They should have made a rule that if a cup driver is in the car, said car would get zero points period, no drivers, no owners, no Manufacturer, no team, no nothing, that would help keep the NNS points strictly in the hands of the NNS drivers. The same goes for the Trucks.
 
gordonite said:
I wouldn't expect them to say that either. I guess I'm just looking at it differently.
If a NW driver can run with and be competitive against a Cup driver, I'd think that is an important indicator to him that he may be good enough to compete in the Cup series. Which is where they're all trying to get.
Even if the NW driver doesn't win the race, I would think having an opportunity to compete against a few Cup drivers to measure themselves up against would be something they would want to do.
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It can be hard to stand out and get noticed when the Cup drivers are in all of the top rides and get all of the air time though. If Kyle Larson weren't already deemed the Second Coming not many people would notice him finishing 2nd at Dover when ESPN is talking about Joey Logano and the Owner Championship all day.
 
FLRacingFan said:
It can be hard to stand out and get noticed when the Cup drivers are in all of the top rides and get all of the air time though. If Kyle Larson weren't already deemed the Second Coming not many people would notice him finishing 2nd at Dover when ESPN is talking about Joey Logano and the Owner Championship all day.
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Yep.
 
Johali said:
One of the most important things Nascar didn't address about NNS points, In My Opinion, is the Manufacturers Championship. They should have made a rule that if a cup driver is in the car, said car would get zero points period, no drivers, no owners, no Manufacturer, no team, no nothing, that would help keep the NNS points strictly in the hands of the NNS drivers. The same goes for the Trucks.
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If anything I think running a Cup driver in most of or all of your Nationwide races as an owner makes winning the OC cheaper than doing it with a Nationwide regular. I get that it's a big deal for the pit crew, crew chief, engineers, etc. but with the speed Jeremy Bullins and Penske have in the #22 car right now they could just as easily win it with Ryan Blaney behind the wheel.
 
FLRacingFan said:
It can be hard to stand out and get noticed when the Cup drivers are in all of the top rides and get all of the air time though. If Kyle Larson weren't already deemed the Second Coming not many people would notice him finishing 2nd at Dover when ESPN is talking about Joey Logano and the Owner Championship all day.
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I get that. But that's a fan's perspective.
My comments were about what the NW drivers themselves are saying, and about how they may feel about racing Cup regulars in the NW series.

Like I said, I'm just looking at it in a different way I guess.
 
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