Cup Championship thread --- Phoenix

[jaqua19]

I don't like Joey but I have no issue with him winning. I hope we look back and see he exposed everything wrong with this system. This is not really rocket science to me. If NASCAR really wants to make it all about winning then just say whoever gets the most wins is the champ and then in the event of a tie the most second places among those with the most wins and so on. If you care ONLY about consistency then best average finish is the camp and in the event of a tie go to wins. I still think the answer though is year round points/stage points with wins getting 25 bonus points and the top 15 in points make the playoffs with one wild card for the most wins outside of the top 15 that ran all the races - Yes I am looking at you Kyle Larson. Then for the playoffs, total reset other than maybe giving the top 4 a first round bye and letting the other 12 battle for 8 spots in the round of 12. Once the round of 12 hits is game on total reset boys have at it.

17.1 is in fact a championship season in 2024 though.. it just happened lol.. they were slow for a while but you cannot deny he was faster in the second half of the season.. and then went on to win 3/10 playoff races.

I understand.. but I disagree that the results in february-june should matter when it comes to November.. that stuff matters when the playoffs start and the teams who did well are given a substantial advantage and then it is irrelevant.

Everyone wants to talk about Joeys average finish but nobody mentions DNFs or issues caused by other drivers.. everyone wants to talk about how great Larsons season was but nobody wants to talk about how he blew a huge points lead.. no instead let's just blame Joey for doing what needs to be done. It's nonsense.

I can get with taking away win and your in during the regular season (only) and letting the top 16 in.. but that's not the case right now and I just can't take anyone seriously that thinks Joey didn't run a championship season.

We know he had 4 wins as well as the all star win and almost won Richmond if not for the 3 being an idiot. That would be 6 wins... same as Larson.. but nope we're not gonna talk about that right? Nah let's just keep talking about how bad he ran in the spring

To be fair, Larson blowing a tire is what cost him, and the pit road issue. The system screwed him.

Also, you only come around here thumping your chest when Logano runs well. Logano is one of the greats, and im sure under the chase format he'd run better

But you're a front runner. No one likes a front runner

 

[Truex_rox]

ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?!

Honestly though.. I have way more fun watching the cut off races. I enjoy when the drivers go harder for stage wins and stage points. I like the idea of a team having to step up when it really matters. I like that it requires damn near equal parts luck and skill. I like the way season long consistency is rewarded with an advantage in the playoffs that carries through from round to round.. and I like the game 7 moments a championship 4 race brings.. manufactured excitement or not ITS EXCITING!

My only issue with this format is that it can provoke race manipulation like we saw at Martinsville and other times in the past. I don't have an answer for this that works because I go straight to kick them from the sport but that opens up a whole other can of worms.

I'm curious what you guys thought was worse.. Kyle Busch missing a bunch of races and winning it.. or Joeys bad average finish this year?

To me they're both just as legitimate as Larson's or Truex's.

As much as I was rooting for Kyle to get his first title that year, that was more egregious.

 

[SlicedBread22]

Also, you only come around here thumping your chest when Logano runs well.

Tbh I was locked out of my account here for a while. Couldn't remember the pw and the Facebook login wasn't working for me because I also forget that password. I randomly remembered my password here one day a few months ago.. or I would have been around more.

Ngl, a big part of the reason I stopped coming around here in the first place was the degree of hate from the fans towards nascar.. got tired of defending my opinion or arguing with people. I still have 1 person blocked with absolutely zero interest in what he has to say about anything.

I've been coming here for the better part of 12 years now.. 2012 or 13 was when I first showed up.. I spent A LOT of time defending Joey back then.. I saw what others didnt in him and I was right the whole time... so if I'm beating my chest over his success I think it's well earned..

Many people around here deserve relentless and perpetual "I told you so's" from me imo