Cup RACE thread --- Bristol

StandOnIt said:
You can moan and cry, but don't even think your nonsense is going anywhere. I would advise you to take a good look at all of the major motorsports ratings before you start with the B.S. numbers and try to create a crisis where there isn't one. It goes to credibility of which you aren't doing that well.

P.S. you have a very long way to go to make the deathbedder hall of fame around here.

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LOL. That's the problem though Stan. I am not "moaning" or "crying." Just pointing some stuff out. I also don't think my "nonsense" is going anywhere. LMAO. Do you think I am trying to be an influencer or something? I'm not close to being that delusional but in this case the majority agree with my take that it was a lousy race so you're free to disagree and that's cool but just understand you're in the minority...unless you are delusional. You can also keep thinking you're getting to me but that's just not gonna happen. Man - you bring a lot of good insight at times and I find some of the info really helpful . I'll always try to be respectful of your thoughts and opinions - even when I disagree. I guess that's not your forte. Just know it's a sign of insecurity. :)
 
Jorge De Guzman said:
Cup got 2 million viewers? Why do I see on here and other places, 1 million watched? Maybe it’s Kyle Larson’s and his fans fault, I don’t know.
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People may have made the same mistake as me and read the rating of 1.1 thinking that was the viewership. i just double checked my source and it was a little over 2M so that's my bad. Still really low though and a sharp ratings decline.
 
MRM said:
But how many cautions? How many helmets thrown? Those are the things fans want from Bristol, not actual racing.
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I'd have to go back and watch that race to be sure why it's not remembered as a terrible race but for those trying to defend the product on Sunday by pulling ONE unmemorable race out of the pile seems fishy to me. Even in NASCAR's heyday there were duds - there is in every sport. That's part of the games. I have been to some MLB games where people were dozing off and others where the crowd was rocking the whole time. The issue here though is about NASCAR's overall short track product and I don't think it's ever been this bad. I just can't say enough either that 2200 passes is an incredibly misleading stat.
 
Chase Fan 79 said:
LOL. That's the problem though Stan. I am not "moaning" or "crying." Just pointing some stuff out. I also don't think my "nonsense" is going anywhere. LMAO. Do you think I am trying to be an influencer or something? I'm not close to being that delusional but in this case the majority agree with my take that it was a lousy race so you're free to disagree and that's cool but just understand you're in the minority...unless you are delusional. You can also keep thinking you're getting to me but that's just not gonna happen. Man - you bring a lot of good insight at times and I find some of the info really helpful I guess that's what you're going for. I'll always try to be respectful of your thoughts and opinions - even when I disagree. I guess that's not your forte. Just know it's a sign of insecurity. :)
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No bud, when you miss quote the numbers trying to make one of your points, you ARE going to get called out. Like I have said, I don't read most of your posts, they are way too long and I have heard it all already for years. Whine on brother.
BTW chronic complainers always use the line, I'm not complaining, just pointing out things lol. It's all relative...and negative.
 
Chase Fan 79 said:
People may have made the same mistake as me and read the rating of 1.1 thinking that was the viewership. i just double checked my source and it was a little over 2M so that's my bad. Still really low though and a sharp ratings decline.
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Bristol was the second most watched sporting event of the weekend behind the Masters which is an American institution. I fail to see how that’s a decline.
 
Jorge De Guzman said:
Bristol was the second most watched sporting event of the weekend behind the Masters which is an American institution. I fail to see how that’s a decline.
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Because the figures from last year were a 2.1 rating with 3.8 million viewers. That is pretty concerning to me that about ONE MILLION people who watched last year decided not to tune in this year.
 
Chase Fan 79 said:
As the week has gone on I have tried to look at it from other view points but the race is not aging any better for me. I am glad we are getting away from short tracks for a bit and doing something else. Super stoked for the Xfinity race this weekend and seeing Kasey Kahne back on the track. Don't care how he runs really - he's already getting a win just for showing up and making the comeback with where his health once was.
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I like how you have given it time to look back and see if your perspective changes. In my opinion 50% or more of the enjoyment comes from experiencing the time around the race, not just the race itself. Bristol is doing no favors in regards to lodging, still charging $500+ a night and requiring 3 or more days. The camping fees are no better. With NASCAR changing to late start times you end up at the track the entire day on both Saturday and Sunday with no time to enjoy a dinner out with friends or family or do a little sightseeing. It makes it more difficult to stay 100 miles down the road and get back to your room at a decent time. I have been to Bristol several times, but I don't really feel the need to go out of my way to go back. I'll take Darlington, Atlanta, Martinsville and even Charlotte any day before Bristol. I doubt we will ever see 100k fans there again. A lot of those fans that went back in the day were just jumping on the bandwagon.
 
StandOnIt said:
No bud, when you miss quote the numbers trying to make one of your points, you ARE going to get called out. Like I have said, I don't read most of your posts, they are way too long and I have heard it all already for years. Whine on brother.
BTW chronic complainers always use the line, I'm not complaining, just pointing out things lol. It's all relative...and negative.
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I guess I did not realize the level of genius I am communicating with since you don't read but still point out where I misquote numbers. The only thing I misquoted was the rating/viewership and I owed that I just misread it. The point still stands though that it was way down from last year. Now what's interesting about that is that no one knew ahead of time this particular race was going to be bad so my take is that people are deciding ahead of time not to watch because the short track racing is terrible right now AND because the Bristol night race last year was much of the same. Not many want to watch Kyle Larson lead 450+ laps. That's not a knock on Kyle either - I don't think anyone wants to watch any driver dominate and have such an uneventful race. You can get on me for misquoting a number but you keep throwing out the 2200 passes and that is a misleading stat to say the least. Saying I am whining it applying tone that you are misreading and while you say chronic complainers always say stuff like that I will then point out that when people can't make a clear cut argument against someone they always resort to saying "they are just whining." Happens to Denny Hamlin all the time. You might not like him or what he is saying but he is right a lot of the time. LOL. Throw out whatever metrics you want. over 80% have said it was a terrible race.
 
DIDIT said:
I like how you have given it time to look back and see if your perspective changes. In my opinion 50% or more of the enjoyment comes from experiencing the time around the race, not just the race itself. Bristol is doing no favors in regards to lodging, still charging $500+ a night and requiring 3 or more days. The camping fees are no better. With NASCAR changing to late start times you end up at the track the entire day on both Saturday and Sunday with no time to enjoy a dinner out with friends or family or do a little sightseeing. It makes it more difficult to stay 100 miles down the road and get back to your room at a decent time. I have been to Bristol several times, but I don't really feel the need to go out of my way to go back. I'll take Darlington, Atlanta, Martinsville and even Charlotte any day before Bristol. I doubt we will ever see 100k fans there again. A lot of those fans that went back in the day were just jumping on the bandwagon.
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That's fair. I actually did not pay for the hotel room. My Nephew who went with us travels constantly for his job and had points he was able to use for the room so he covered that and we covered he and his wife's tickets. The interesting thing was that when we checked in the hotel told him that he should not have been able to use points on race weekend but it somehow got through. It was a really nice hotel too and a lot of NASCAR people were there. We went to dinner the night before the race and a bunch of guys from Trackhouse were sitting right behind us. I did ask though and that room would have been about $500 per night for the nights we were there and like you said, with the race being so late we had to stay 2 nights. If I had to pay that I'd be singing a different tune about that part of the experience for sure. All those track you mentioned you'd take any day are on the list. Really leaning toward Atlanta next year.
 
Jorge De Guzman said:
Bristol was the second most watched sporting event of the weekend behind the Masters which is an American institution. I fail to see how that’s a decline.
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If they were competing with the NFL this time of year I'd think it would be different but hey at least NASCAR is still beating the UFL......For now. LOL
 
Chase Fan 79 said:
Because the figures from last year were a 2.1 rating with 3.8 million viewers. That is pretty concerning to me that about ONE MILLION people who watched last year decided not to tune in this year.
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Were you concerned with the night race last year because that was down in ratings from the previous year as well
 
StandOnIt said:
Pretty sure they don't like fans like yourself either.
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That's your best gem yet. Why would they like a fan like me who truly cares about the sport and has been watching it almost their entire life and investing money endlessly in it? I watch EVERY race, have been to 30+/- races across the top 3 series and also bUy gear and video games and so on. Yeah - they must HATE me because I will not say every race is great. LMAO! You enjoy the weekend Stan. :)
 
Jorge De Guzman said:
Were you concerned with the night race last year because that was down in ratings from the previous year as well
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I can't remember what was going on with me that weekend but I just don't remember the decline in ratings being talked about. All I remember about that race in the long term was that Kyle dominated. I think I was dealing with some personal issues with my father's health at the time in fairness. I do not however remember that race being quite as bad as this one. That might just be because I was busy though and did not pay as close attention as normal.
 
Chase Fan 79 said:
It sucks seeing the sport you love basically dying. It's hard for me to relate to people who can't see past what they want.
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I don’t see NASCAR as dying if for no other reason the new broadcast deals. Even though it’s not doing the big numbers as in years past it is still a reliable product that eats up air time with programs other than racing.
 
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