Cup RACE thread — Darlington

kkfan91 said:
I'll say at first I thought it was just the 9 and 48 screwing up but the 5 and 24 threw out the parachutes in stage 3...never would of guess Chase be the highest finishing HMS car the way his night went.
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Don't know what happened to the 5. He was in the top 5 or 6 most of the race, then just went backwards.
 
So I thought the race overall was a good race. Cars could pass and tires meant a lot.

I am just shocked by some of what I am seeing here. First - How is Toyota so much better than the field? I think if I am remembering right they took the top 4 and 6 of the top 7? OMG. I just don't understand anymore what Chevy is even doing and as my driver enters his prime driving years I am questioning if he should be looking to jump ship if Chevy is content to just get their asses handed to them like this.

That was THE worst team performance by HMS as a whole I have ever seen. For Chase to be carrying the banner in 17th is a pathetic joke and I am curious to see what Mr. H will have to say about this. I know Larson had some damage but he suddenly just dropped like a rock at the end. Bowman had endless issues and the worst pit stop I have ever seen. Byron was just awful at the end.

As for Chase - The car was not actually too bad. There were many times at the beginning and end of the race that he was running top 3 lap times. AG's strategy was the biggest head scratcher to me all night. They kept running long for like 7-10 laps apparently expecting to get it back at the end but that just never materialized and when it did not work in stage one I thought they would let it go but apparently not. AG was committed to it. When the caution came out for Cody Ware that killed the strategy completely and AG was complaining about Ware on the radio and I was thinking how stupid to have a strategy that depended on no caution coming out at a place like Darlington. I feel like if he kept Chase on even tires and stopped running long then Chase would likely have been a top 10 - especially with the way things played out at the end as his car seemed best on the last run until about 10 laps to go.

I feel like all HMS cars except Bowman are probably OK and going to make the round of 12 but if Chase has another run like that or a DNF then maybe not. I am really not too concerned about it at this point though because they clearly have nothing to compete for a title unless there is a sudden drastic change. I do feel like if Bowman misses the round of 12 people will be calling for his head but I just think it's not his fault at this point.

I will end of what may be the most unpopular thing I have ever said and I can't believe I am saying it but I am hoping for a title for Denny at this point. I know he is hated by the masses but he is a great driver and done a lot for the sport and he deserves it.
 
Some of you HMS fans are so spoiled and entitled. It was one bad race, get a grip.

You chose to root for the best team in NASCAR history and meltdown after 1 bad weekend.

R-E-L-A-X
 
antman12 said:
Some of you HMS fans are so spoiled and entitled. It was one bad race, get a grip.

You chose to root for the best team in NASCAR history and meltdown after 1 bad weekend.

R-E-L-A-X
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They need time. Let them heal. 🤣
 
antman12 said:
Some of you HMS fans are so spoiled and entitled. It was one bad race, get a grip.

You chose to root for the best team in NASCAR history and meltdown after 1 bad weekend.

R-E-L-A-X
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A bad weekend in the playoffs would make anyone nervous. With only three races per round, you can barely afford to have a bad race. Thankfully for them, they have Berry, SVG and Dillon who will likely save them from elimination this round.
 
I enjoyed the "interview" with Bubba Wallace after the race. They've done this before where they leave him alone with a microphone and ask questions and he is very entertaining with his answers. Something different and he seems very at ease with it.
 
antman12 said:
Some of you HMS fans are so spoiled and entitled. It was one bad race, get a grip.

You chose to root for the best team in NASCAR history and meltdown after 1 bad weekend.

R-E-L-A-X
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I can deal with bad luck. I can deal with just getting beat. What I'm not ready to accept is showing up for a gun fight with a Daisy Red Ryder and combining that with unforced errors topped off with some head scratching pit strategy. None of these four cars were exactly lighting up the scoreboard as it was, only to lay an ostrich sized egg at Darlington, and with another track coming up that HMS has not set the world on fire at, yeah, I'm ready to hit the panic button. Just for the record, I was an HMS fan from day one and were one race from going out of business, so I didn't just CHOOSE to be a fan of the sport's most powerful team, it just sort of evolved.
 
Formerjackman said:
I can deal with bad luck. I can deal with just getting beat. What I'm not ready to accept is showing up for a gun fight with a Daisy Red Ryder and combining that with unforced errors topped off with some head scratching pit strategy. None of these four cars were exactly lighting up the scoreboard as it was, only to lay an ostrich sized egg at Darlington, and with another track coming up that HMS has not set the world on fire at, yeah, I'm ready to hit the panic button. Just for the record, I was an HMS fan from day one and were one race from going out of business, so I didn't just CHOOSE to be a fan of the sport's most powerful team, it just sort of evolved.
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Darlington is one of Hendrick’s best tracks and they laid an egg. Now we’re headed to their statistically worst track on the schedule.
 
antman12 said:
Some of you HMS fans are so spoiled and entitled. It was one bad race, get a grip.

You chose to root for the best team in NASCAR history and meltdown after 1 bad weekend.

R-E-L-A-X
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Really? To show up to the playoffs and lay an egg and HMS fans should R-E-LA-X? No chance. It's one thing to miss it some and struggle to run top-10 but to only have one car in the top 20 is not acceptable for a top-notch organization. It has nothing to do with being "spoiled" or "entitled." I know I am entitled to exactly squat but as fan I am waiting to see a reaction of some type from the organization.
 
Formerjackman said:
I can deal with bad luck. I can deal with just getting beat. What I'm not ready to accept is showing up for a gun fight with a Daisy Red Ryder and combining that with unforced errors topped off with some head scratching pit strategy. None of these four cars were exactly lighting up the scoreboard as it was, only to lay an ostrich sized egg at Darlington, and with another track coming up that HMS has not set the world on fire at, yeah, I'm ready to hit the panic button. Just for the record, I was an HMS fan from day one and were one race from going out of business, so I didn't just CHOOSE to be a fan of the sport's most powerful team, it just sort of evolved.
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I am not sure that Hendrick is horrible. MY Toyota guys had rockets, and rockets make ordinary look slow. When ordinary is trying to battle superior, that puts pressure on all aspects of the endeavor. I know what I am talking about.....MY Toyotas won two races in 2014. ChevroRick got their asses kicked in one race. They aren't going away.
 
Chase Fan 79 said:
Really? To show up to the playoffs and lay an egg and HMS fans should R-E-LA-X? No chance. It's one thing to miss it some and struggle to run top-10 but to only have one car in the top 20 is not acceptable for a top-notch organization. It has nothing to do with being "spoiled" or "entitled." I know I am entitled to exactly squat but as fan I am waiting to see a reaction of some type from the organization.
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They got beat by a superior organization. Nothing to hang your head about. Ford is handling it better I think.
 
Formerjackman said:
I can deal with bad luck. I can deal with just getting beat. What I'm not ready to accept is showing up for a gun fight with a Daisy Red Ryder and combining that with unforced errors topped off with some head scratching pit strategy. None of these four cars were exactly lighting up the scoreboard as it was, only to lay an ostrich sized egg at Darlington, and with another track coming up that HMS has not set the world on fire at, yeah, I'm ready to hit the panic button. Just for the record, I was an HMS fan from day one and were one race from going out of business, so I didn't just CHOOSE to be a fan of the sport's most powerful team, it just sort of evolved.
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Now there is someone who GETS IT. I know they will not have the fastest cars every race. Expecting that would be spoiled and entitled. However, it seemed like amateur hour out there on Bowman's pit stop and Chase's strategy and Chase also had a bungled pit-stop although no place near the disaster that Bowman's was. If they just would execute it would not have been the disaster it was.
 
Efisher131 said:
Darlington is one of Hendrick’s best tracks and they laid an egg. Now we’re headed to their statistically worst track on the schedule.
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Exactly. It's the flatter/shorter tracks that Toyota owns right now and HMS struggles at so I am not going to relax. Although, I feel like if multiple HMS cars miss the round of 12 maybe that will get their attention and drastic changes will come. I like AG a lot but the sport has passed him by IMO. They seem to put little focus on qualifying and then he still calls the race like Chase does not need track position.
 
Revman said:
They got beat by a superior organization. Nothing to hang your head about. Ford is handling it better I think.
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I know by "organization" you mean Toyota and that's where Chevy is missing it to me. Does not seem like they do as well sharing data.
 
Chase Fan 79 said:
I know by "organization" you mean Toyota and that's where Chevy is missing it to me. Does not seem like they do as well sharing data.
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They never have. That's why Jimmie went to Toyota. In Chevy....you have The Chain Gang.....and then whatever is left for everybody else. Coach left for the same reason back in the day. Marks made a big mistake hooking his wagon to that horse IMO. Having said all of that, it is good value for Chevy. Give The Felon everything, and let him build and develop it, so they don't have to. The Chain Gang wins a ton, Chevy gets the PR. Makes sense....until it doesn't.
 
Chase Fan 79 said:
Now there is someone who GETS IT. I know they will not have the fastest cars every race. Expecting that would be spoiled and entitled. However, it seemed like amateur hour out there on Bowman's pit stop and Chase's strategy and Chase also had a bungled pit-stop although no place near the disaster that Bowman's was. If they just would execute it would not have been the disaster it was.
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This is true. Ordinary looks really bad when the execution sucks.....and, again, I have seen MY Toyotas flush great days down the toilet not because of the stuff they brought to the track, but because of the execution--Richmond comes to mind. David Wilson, retired TRD President, talked about the five essentials in winning.....Motor, Aero, Strategy, Pit Performance, and Driver. In this Next Gen era, if you are off on one, you are off a ton.
 
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