Cup RACE thread ---- Gateway 2023

BobbyFord said:
I believe the majority of fans are disappointed with the direction of the sport.
Maybe seeing a driver remain competitive regardless of the changes has inspired fans to support someone they normally wouldn’t have recognized.
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Jesus Christ, this is a tremendous leap in logic. The cheers for KFB have nothing to do with fans being disappointed in the direction of the sport.
 
Blaze said:
Only thing I personally dislike about Fox is how they don’t talk about things needing talked about. The announcers don’t bother me like they do a lot of others.
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For me it’s the pedantic “aw shucks” redneckifying of everything. It’s actually quite insulting, and I grew up in East BFE, NC.
 
Dr_B_UNC said:
I still hate him, but I’ve softened due to real life bs. Much like Gordon. I wouldn’t have peed on him if he were burning to death, then the divorce and all suddenly humanized him to me. I dunno…
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I still ain’t a fan either. But I’m sure like many drivers who I wasn’t a fan of in the past (Gordon being one) and by the time he’s done I’ll probably actually cheer him because of seeing an all time great calling it a career. Respect
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
He suddenly became popular because he switched to Chevy.

Go look back at how people said they can now root for him since he’s in a Chevy or isn’t in a Toyota. Go look at Chevy fans on social who won’t root for Berry if he goes to a Ford.

A lot of fans are cult-like in their brand loyalty the same way @Revman is.
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I was loyal to Chevy back in the 90s and 00s but I still hated Hendrick Motorsports. I just rooted for DEI and RCR. Being loyal to a manufacturer used to not mean being a cultist.
 
Blaze said:
I still ain’t a fan either. But I’m sure like many drivers who I wasn’t a fan of in the past (Gordon being one) and by the time he’s done I’ll probably actually cheer him because of seeing an all time great calling it a career. Respect
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I wasn't a fan of Dale Earnhardt but I sure respected him.
 
StandOnIt said:
And you drive a what? A Yota bwaaaaaa
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Toyota Corollas are insanely reliable vehicles.

I don’t like GM vehicles. Personal preference. And I’m even less likely to ever buy one since they’re dropping CarPlay support.

I still root for Ross Chastain and Josh Berry though. 🤷🏻‍♂️
 
I anxiously await the bloodbath that will be the Johali thread! Good night all!
 
BobbyFord said:
I’m driver oriented. I don’t care what Kyle drives. I’ve supported him throughout his career, in many cars.
Happy to see Kyle winning with RCR.
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This is how I am also. Never been a Ford guy, but my favorite driver growing up was Jeff Burton as I mentioned before. Loved cheering on that 99 car.
 
Blaze said:
This is how I am also. Never been a Ford guy, but my favorite driver growing up was Jeff Burton as I mentioned before. Loved cheering on that 99 car.
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I’ve been a Ford guy my entire life, because of my family.
I love cars. I’d own thousands of cars if I had the money and the space. I don’t discriminate when it comes to manufacturer. Too many incredible options.
 
AndyMarquisLive said:
He suddenly became popular because he switched to Chevy.

Go look back at how people said they can now root for him since he’s in a Chevy or isn’t in a Toyota. Go look at Chevy fans on social who won’t root for Berry if he goes to a Ford.

A lot of fans are cult-like in their brand loyalty the same way @Revman is.
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Ford and Chevy loyalty is endearing....Toyota loyalty is a different matter. I get it. I always have. Honestly, I think the new KB love is kind of cool....shows me that manufacturers matter. He's the same dude he has always been, enjoy the smiles, Samantha nervous ticks, love for Randall, and hugs for his kids...it can change quickly....3-2-1...
 
The Nature Boy said:
Being loyal to a manufacturer used to not mean being a cultist.
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Who gives a **** really? Who cares what draws a person to the sport? Who cares about why they stay? The most important thing is that they are here....and in the stands....as I will be next week in Sonoma. Christmas is coming, and MY Toyota gear is packed. LFG!
 
Did they ever clarify the reason for a two lap penalty on Austin Dillion
 
Revman said:
Who gives a **** really? Who cares what draws a person to the sport? Who cares about why they stay? The most important thing is that they are here....and in the stands....as I will be next week in Sonoma. Christmas is coming, and MY Toyota gear is packed. LFG!
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I get it man. I was a Chevy loyalist back in the day. I just had Chevy teams that I hated too.
 
The Nature Boy said:
I get it man. I was a Chevy loyalist back in the day. I just had Chevy teams that I hated too.
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This sport is so driver centric--I get it, but that is one reason why we have trouble attracting new fans. You have so much more in terms of the engineering that goes into the cars....and the people behind the engines and the sim stuff. It is all so cool, but the ****** media prefers the behind the scenes stuff from the drivers. I don't buy into all of that, and I want MY manufacturer to kick the others asses.
 
Revman said:
the behind the scenes stuff from the drivers.
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I don't know man - F1 is experiencing a boom because of a Netflix reality show that exposed that. And the NBA seems to thrive on people being fans of individual players and not teams (look at how LeBron James has fans that follow him from team to team).

A driver centric series can work if you have compelling drivers. NASCAR grew on the backs of personalities from the 90s and early 00s.
 
The Nature Boy said:
I don't know man - F1 is experiencing a boom because of a Netflix reality show that exposed that. And the NBA seems to thrive on people being fans of individual players and not teams (look at how LeBron James has fans that follow him from team to team).

A driver centric series can work if you have compelling drivers. NASCAR grew on the backs of personalities from the 90s and early 00s.
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Comparing stick n ball to racing almost never works.
 
StandOnIt said:
Comparing stick n ball to racing almost never works.
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I'm not even drawing a comparison. I am pointing out that people will follow a sport that is centered on individual personalities. NASCAR's own past proves that. NASCAR is centered around the driver and always has been. If you want a team sport, watch a non-racing sport (or stick and ball as you call it).
 
The Nature Boy said:
I'm not even drawing a comparison. I am pointing out that people will follow a sport that is centered on individual personalities. NASCAR's own past proves that. NASCAR is centered around the driver and always has been. If you want a team sport, watch a non-racing sport (or stick and ball as you call it).
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Nascar isn't as simple as you are trying to make it. You have two choices in stick n ball, the player or the team, the fields are all the same, the rules are the same, it's a simple game, the equipment is simple and all the same. They have a whole 100 years of TV coverage Max, all at slow speed, more timeouts than a person can count. Where is the similarity? None of the above applies to racing.
 
StandOnIt said:
Nascar isn't as simple as you are trying to make it. You have two choices in stick n ball, the player or the team, the fields are all the same, the rules are the same, it's a simple game, the equipment is simple and all the same. They have a whole 100 years of TV coverage Max, all at slow speed, more timeouts than a person can count. Where is the similarity? None of the above applies to racing.
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I feel like you're starting an argument for no reason because I implied none of that.

Where's the similarly between any two sports? Football and baseball are also entirely different sports. This is an asinine argument. Every sport is unique and has its quirks. Anyone who drones on about "stick and ball sports" is a very unserious person. Auto racing, baseball, football, hockey, lacrosse, tennis, golf...etc. are all unique disciplines with their own unique rules and histories. It helps to have some perspective.
 

Anyone who says "stick and ball" is only interested in a discussion built on the false premise that auto racing is somehow a unicorn in the sports world. You can't have an honest discussion built on false premises.
 
Jorge De Guzman said:
Uh oh. We might have some shenanigans
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Payback for…? I didn’t even see anything else between the two. It looked like Dillon started to come up slightly just as Cindric started to turn in. I hope we don’t do this now every time someone gets wrecked. It wasn’t like Cindric swung hard left like Chase.
 
racingfan7 said:
I thought today’s race was decent, didn’t have that exCitEmEnT GWC finish like last year.
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I thought it was fine, felt a bit long even on DVR but it wasn’t horrible. Sometimes on this forum you’d think half the users are replaying the 2008 Brickyard 400. Gateway is just a technical track where it’s gonna take a while to make a pass on someone. But more power and less downforce wouldn’t hurt, make it tougher to out the power down off these paperclip corners.
 
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