Cup RACE thread --- Iowa

StandOnIt said:
Yeah racing should be simple and easy to pass.
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LOL......the leader and eventual winner should NOT have a hard time getting around a car running in the 30's.

But go ahead and defend this car all you want. I prefer real racing where cars can actually pass. ;)
 
FLRacingFan said:
Wow. Really impressive drive from Byron. Built a gap, managed it, never even hit full throttle down the stretch.
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I think Byron had the best car. He made an easy nice for the lead to start and led for a while getting a feel for his car and what he had. Then he just settled in until time to go after losing the lead.
It of course was a gamble but he stayed in position quietly up front all day long. And of course jr was hard to pass but he effortlessly gapped the field during the last run when it was time go. Dominated today.

You can say clean air but no one was getting close enough to pass him anyway when it mattered. Even if he would have been on equal strategy. He led from the start.

Those type of wins are becoming his signature for a reason. He’s the best there is in taking car of his stuff (not tires necessarily) until go time without showing what he’s really got.
 
Byron reminds me a lot of Mark Martin when I was a kid, even though I wasn’t a fan of his.
 
hmmm298 said:
Byron reminds me a lot of Mark Martin when I was a kid, even though I wasn’t a fan of his.
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He was the best on that strategy, even if others who pitted after didn't realize they were on the same strategy. I'm sure it at least crossed Rudys mind when they pitted the last time.
 
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Dr_B_UNC said:
At least Chase and Larson aren’t being subtle about it any more. 🤣🤣 Gotten some pretty good shots in on each other
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I didn't get a great look at the incidents but it just seemed like good hard racing. Not like either of them ruined the other's day. Everyone always saying Chase is not aggressive enough and then as soon as he is some people take issue with it. He was killing it on some of those restarts. I'm not sure I have ever seen a race where cautions killed Chase more. Some of those restarts he was flying only for a caution to come out. Then of course getting killed on the way the cautions fell overall. Once he finally pitted and lost all his tracks position I told the wife "now watch, it will run green to the end" and sure enough it did. It could not have played out worse for him and I can't blame AG because no one could have predicted that rash of cautions. Byron and Briscoe both just got very lucky.
 
Team Penske said:
The best car should be able to pass with ease providing he can use another line but if the front car is all over the track blocking then "hello Hill"
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I don't think passing should be simple and easy but it should at least be possible outside of restarts. LOL. Less downforce, more HP and tires that give up more over the long run are what we need. Iowa was a good example of a race that seemed to have tire wear but tires did not mean quite enough.
 
StandOnIt said:
Fix the car they can't pass! 😭

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So not just this race, we have seen drivers start back in the field and pass cars as you would expect, until they get to the leaders. When I driver makes up 7 seconds on the lead cars, I don't understand why the passing mysteriously comes to a halt. What is different with the first and second place car from the other 20 cars that were passed? If you watch the race tracker it's not that the top cars are running that much faster than the field.
 
Keselowski started P10 and worked his way to the lead during the first stage. I think that means he made at least 10 green flag passes.

I would like to see softer tires and the degradation rather that fuel milage strategies, but it wasn't impossibile to pass.

Bring back more of the have nots if you need lots of passing. The more pairty the less passes.
 
Bubba broke a toe link, went 2 laps down, got 2 lucky dogs and finished 6th. Many fans don't understand this passing thing. If you have a fast car and a good driver you can pass. It's pretty simple, usually, but not always, the majority of the time the faster cars are at the front, in good shape for the last stage of the race. Are they evenly matched at this point? Hell yes, almost every time they are. Handling going away or coming to a car, or a driver mistake and passes can be attempted. Not going to make any difference with the more horsepower experiment once again. In fact passing generally goes down. Because why? the laws of physics. More speed, more aero dependent . Ya think it is bad now? It gets worse.
 
StandOnIt said:
Bubba broke a toe link, went 2 laps down, got 2 lucky dogs and finished 6th. Many fans don't understand this passing thing. If you have a fast car and a good driver you can pass. It's pretty simple, usually, but not always, the majority of the time the faster cars are at the front, in good shape for the last stage of the race. Are they evenly matched at this point? Hell yes, almost every time they are. Handling going away or coming to a car, or a driver mistake and passes can be attempted. Not going to make any difference with the more horsepower experiment once again. In fact passing generally goes down. Because why? the laws of physics. More speed, more aero dependent . Ya think it is bad now? It gets worse.
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I find your example interesting to say with a good car and driver you can pass and then you use Bubba as the driver example. Bubba is an OK driver but many in the field are better and they are all complaining passing is too hard and it seems to mainly be because of lack of HP and aero-blocking. Cars can pass on restarts when they time it well and get lucky that their lane moves. Outside of that, if one car hits it just right they can do some passing but particularly in the top-10 it's really tough as the cars are not only equal but they can just decide to take your air away. Kes drove through the top-10 but he and Byron struggled with the lapped cars and only once Byron got really tight and almost missed the corner did Kes pass him. Kes' car seemed WAY better and that pass should have bene easier.

Seriously though, I am glad you are finding more enjoyment and seeing things a little differently than the majority. I wish I could feel the same way. NASCAR needs to give these guys a bigger box with set ups and things they can do to the car to get rid of some of this parity and give more HP and make the cars less aero dependent. The tires need to not just wear to the point of cording. They need to lose speed as the run goes but still hold up and not cord so people can decide on different strategies. This is all what made NASCAR must-see TV back in the day and it's all gone mostly right now.
 
Chase Fan 79 said:
I find your example interesting to say with a good car and driver you can pass and then you use Bubba as the driver example. Bubba is an OK driver but many in the field are better and they are all complaining passing is too hard and it seems to mainly be because of lack of HP and aero-blocking. Cars can pass on restarts when they time it well and get lucky that their lane moves. Outside of that, if one car hits it just right they can do some passing but particularly in the top-10 it's really tough as the cars are not only equal but they can just decide to take your air away. Kes drove through the top-10 but he and Byron struggled with the lapped cars and only once Byron got really tight and almost missed the corner did Kes pass him. Kes' car seemed WAY better and that pass should have bene easier.

Seriously though, I am glad you are finding more enjoyment and seeing things a little differently than the majority. I wish I could feel the same way. NASCAR needs to give these guys a bigger box with set ups and things they can do to the car to get rid of some of this parity and give more HP and make the cars less aero dependent. The tires need to not just wear to the point of cording. They need to lose speed as the run goes but still hold up and not cord so people can decide on different strategies. This is all what made NASCAR must-see TV back in the day and it's all gone mostly right now.
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Many fans such as yourself have short memories. They forget the days of single file high horsepower boring races where Nascar had to stop the endless aero riding around that was supposed to be a race with their tried and true friend Jaques debris. Bunch up the field, the fans are going asleep..the few that are in the stands.

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StandOnIt said:
Many fans such as yourself have short memories. They forget the days of single file high horsepower boring races where Nascar had to stop the endless aero riding around that was supposed to be a race with their tried and true friend Jaques debris. Bunch up the field, the fans are going asleep..the few that are in the stands.

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Your memory seems to be lacking that in your example, those cars were on tires that were hard as rocks with no fall off at all. I recall very vividly (despite my lack of memory) watching those races when I would just fast-forward to the next caution/stage break after 5 or so laps because NOTHING was happening. It's better now but there is still a ways to go. That is why I am saying that it needs to be a combination of several things that will make the racing better. I guess my memory is short but I do seem to recall that the racing was really good once upon a time and when to crap when NASCAR started this BS about "Car of Tomorrow" and now the "Next Gen" car. Get back to the basics that made it great when stands were full and between 10-15 million people watched.
 
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