Magicmiler
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Cup RACE thread --- Phoenix
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Yeah and they were the last car to start pitting so they saw all those cars taking 2 tires. Just a terrible call by the team
Nitro Dude
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The fastest car doesn't always when the race. Great strategy wins a lot of races by being in the right place at the right time. If you have put yourself in a position that you can win in overtime than you deserve the win if you cross the finish line before everyone else no matter if you lead any other lap...the last lap is the most important.
FLRacingFan
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Byron isn’t pushing his tire to failure if he came into this race with a points cushion. That’s why I can’t really put stock into these what-if standings. Everything from how teams prep their cars, strategize atop the pit box, to how the drivers race changes depending upon the format used.
I’m generally okay with the concept of Kyle Larson, 2x Cup Series Champion. It sounds right. But how Hamlin lost this race and this championship today, using the rules that are in place, was exceedingly brutal.
I’m generally okay with the concept of Kyle Larson, 2x Cup Series Champion. It sounds right. But how Hamlin lost this race and this championship today, using the rules that are in place, was exceedingly brutal.
Blaze
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You know, you make a very good point there. Didn't even think of that. Byron definitely might not blow that tire.
The problem with this thinking, and the whole "so and so would've won the title in (inset year) by this amount of points under the old Winston Cup system" is that you assume that the teams make the exact same decisions. If we do go back to a 36 race season with no playoffs, suddenly there is a lot less risk taking and you go back to consistency being the most important factor. Drivers and Teams would be making different decisions, and who knows what would happen points wise.
HoneyBadger
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I don't like Overtime. I've been railing against it for years now.
If we're going to keep this goofy ass ****, then tweak it. One attempt only. Pits remain closed, like they would in the final two laps of a stage. You got what you got and you start where you are.
Just ridiculous watching all this manufactured chaos at the end of a race.
My only gripe is that the race shouldn't have a fake game 7 moment involved in it. If it happened organically we would be talking about what a heck of a race it was for years. We aren't going to get that with this.
Brentford
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That’s the frustration. It’d be like the NFL resetting the game at the 2-minute warning.
Michfan
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I don't know how you guys keep watching this WWE manufactured BS.
HoneyBadger
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I might start watching IMSA and F1 next year.
Blaze
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Its all we have to go off of right now. So its what we have to use. Surely people would race different no doubt. That's true. But uh still only the GWC screwed Denny. Not the playoffs themselves.
Which they pretty much do lol.
Brentford
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Heck, with NASCAR showing less and less races on broadcast TV and with the cost to access cable stations constantly going up, NASCAR is making it much easier for people to give it up.
Michfan
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I watched about 2 hours of racing the entire year. Didn't miss it a bit.
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Won’t be for much longer. I’m a nut hair away from cancelling YouTube TV as is.
Brentford
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Are you more productive because of it or are you just finding something else to watch during that time? I’d imagine one could accomplish a lot using the 90 hours that they would have been using to watch the races each season.
Honestly, all I really watched this year was the Daytona 500, Coke 600, Southern 500, Bristol night race, Martinsville and today's race at Phoenix. And I would say the Daytona 500 and today's Phoenix race were the only ones I watched start to finish.
I've shift more towards F1 and sports cars.
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I legit feel for the guy, on a much much smaller scale I’ve been there in my personal life
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Well said, you summed up my feelings better than i could. Bravo.
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Sure agreed we both want this system to end. I just want a system that focuses on more on the racing and actual races themselves if that makes sense.
Blaze
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Sorry for how aggressive I was.
I think people are more upset the championship came down to a GWC, and despite the fact the correct guy won in the end, that it never should've came down to that in the first place. Which is proof enough to why to nuke the playoffs.
Is this correct?
I think people are more upset the championship came down to a GWC, and despite the fact the correct guy won in the end, that it never should've came down to that in the first place. Which is proof enough to why to nuke the playoffs.
Is this correct?
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I quit sometime in the mid 2000's for several years after being a huge fan since the 80's. But since Kyle Larson is from our area of NorCal, I watched him grow up in Sprints and Midgets. Then when he went to stock cars around 2012. So he has been the only real reason I am been watching again and why I joined this forum in 2014. Not sure how much more I can take of the absurd rules and gimmicks though.
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I mean speaking for me, I think that’s fair.
I didn’t watch for obvious reasons.
Found out who won via Jayski’s.
This sport has become a clown show. The idiots that run this farce should be fired for incompetence.
Found out who won via Jayski’s.
This sport has become a clown show. The idiots that run this farce should be fired for incompetence.
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Yea frankly I almost walked away after Jeff Gordon retired. Kyle Busch and Kyle Larson kept me in. Busch is almost done, when Larson is done not sure I’ll stick around especially if this crap is used to determine a champion still exists. I’d love to see Zillisch race in cup and be great but not just sure if I have it in me.
Blaze
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I just saw people **** talking the system and took it the wrong way. Like being upset that a flawed system caused the mess today, that I can fully understand. Because trust me, I hate this playoffs bs. I hate Larson championship feels tainted where we could possibly be celebrating it if they just had given us the right system to begin with. Pending if Byron pushes and blows his tire.
So I definitely think I understand now so that's my bad lol.
HoneyBadger
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So did everyone else. NBC didn't even announce a winner at the line (I thought it was Keselowski) and signed off within four minutes without telling us who won.
The entire day was a black eye for NASCAR.
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Yea totally how I felt lol. The system created this mess we saw today. NBC didn’t even interview the race winner lol. I hope there’s serious serious change after tonight.
Like someone else said, the problem with the GWC is that it nullifies the rest of the race entirely. I was never a fan of races ending under caution, but I don't like the current GWC. Like a previous poster said, I think for the GWC going forward you don't allow any pit stops. You have what you have. The current GWC setup screws the leader, as everyone is going to do the opposite of the leader. If Denny had stayed out, everyone else comes in and Denny is at a major tire disadvantage. As we saw, Denny comes in and take 4 tires, enough people take 2 tires to where he can't get up there. It's a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" type situation. I would be on board with a no pitting rule for GWC.
Blaze
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I found out looking at the leader board that was shown on NBC.
I bought $1000 worth of tickets for Vegas race. I never left California.
This sport is ass, run by a bunch of idiots. I’ll never attend another nascar event.
The gerbils had lock jaw, completely talked out. Their whole B.S. fairy tale story blew up in their faces.
Blaze
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I do as well. I wanna see what they announce. Wonder how long it takes to find out.
HoneyBadger
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I've seen enough. Need to go back to 2003 rules. End the playoff crap, end the overtime gimmick, and end stage breaks.
I didn't walk away, but I slowly started losing interest after Tony Stewart retired. It was a terrible time in general for NASCAR and none of the driver's at the time really made me want to invest in them. A couple years after Smoke retired, it was the time Kyle Busch started maturing a lot. I wasn't buying his merchandise like I was with Smoke, but I enjoyed supporting Kyle Busch. Once Busch is gone, I might be as well.
Definitely agree with ending the playoffs and going back to a full season championship. GWC I like, but don't allow any pit stops, you have what you have.
As for stages, I'm okay with them but keep the race going. No need to throw the caution. It's clear they only do that so that it builds in breaks similar to halftime for football and basketball and intermissions for hockey, a way for them to have an artificial break for commercials. Keep the race going.
Do these three things, and I think you move NASCAR back in the right direction.
Blaze
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I doubt we get the 2003 points, even if we get a full season deal. They definitely wanna keep stages and everything like that. I be fine with being wrong, but if we get 36 season deal, I'll be okay with keeping this other stuff as well.
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What's even more infuriating is that the disgraced drug addict that came up with this format isn't even in NASCAR anymore (he's been shunned). So why they insist on sticking with this **** is baffling.
Not only stuck with it, they doubled down.